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Speedy
07-23-2010, 06:54 PM
If Obama allows the Bush Tax Cuts to expire I will take a $2400 Tax hit. How bad will it be for you. Click on the kitty.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/speed_addiction/Untitled.jpg (http://www.mytaxburden.org/)

Articulate_Ape
07-23-2010, 07:30 PM
Just over 6 grand. Ain't we got fun?

Satanicus
07-23-2010, 07:42 PM
If Obama allows the Bush Tax Cuts to expire I will take a $2400 Tax hit. How bad will it be for you. Click on the kitty.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/speed_addiction/Untitled.jpg (http://www.mytaxburden.org/)

The President SAID that the cuts for the rich will expire, and the middle class will keep their cuts.

You will keep your tax cuts you fucking idiots, stop crying about something that will never happen.

Speedy
07-23-2010, 07:49 PM
The President SAID that the cuts for the rich will expire, and the middle class will keep their cuts.

You will keep your tax cuts you fucking idiots, stop crying about something that will never happen.

Unlike you, Asshole, I do not want anyone paying more money to the goverment than they already do. Even if they make many times what I do. That is their money and I want none of it. But I would GLADLY earn more if the opportunity arose.

Big Guy
07-23-2010, 08:00 PM
I will have to pay an additional $1,500 in 2011, that puts my taxes to over $6,500.

I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes. I do mind how they spend my money. I don't want one cent of my money going to a Car company, Foreign Government or lazy bum on welfare.

It is fine if they use it for securing the borders, winning a war, feeding those whot CAN'T take care of themself.

Satanicus, just in case you havent figured it out yet OBAMA is a LIAR which means I don't believe anything he says, he has to show me. Your stupid is showing.

Satanicus
07-23-2010, 08:01 PM
Unlike you, Asshole, I do not want anyone paying more money to the goverment than they already do. Even if they make many times what I do. That is their money and I want none of it. But I would GLADLY earn more if the opportunity arose.

So ..You have a credit card, you rack up 1000 dollars on it , they send you a bill for 100 dollars, you look at the bill and say ..."Why would I send those people MY money?"

Do you understand what credit is ?

Big Guy
07-23-2010, 08:03 PM
So ..You have a credit card, you rack up 1000 dollars on it , they send you a bill for 100 dollars, you look at the bill and say ..."Why would I send those people MY money?"

Do you understand what credit is ?

Your STUPID is showing again.

Articulate_Ape
07-23-2010, 08:12 PM
So ..You have a credit card, you rack up 1000 dollars on it , they send you a bill for 100 dollars, you look at the bill and say ..."Why would I send those people MY money?"

Do you understand what credit is ?

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. - Thomas Jefferson

Lager
07-23-2010, 08:13 PM
How did a guy like him get banned from the du? He seems to have all the attributes - or lack thereof - that they admire. :rolleyes:

Hawkgirl
07-23-2010, 08:23 PM
So ..You have a credit card, you rack up 1000 dollars on it , they send you a bill for 100 dollars, you look at the bill and say ..."Why would I send those people MY money?"

Do you understand what credit is ?



LOLLLLLLLL


This guy has got to be joke.

Hawkgirl
07-23-2010, 08:24 PM
$1560.00 higher!

Speedy
07-23-2010, 08:46 PM
So ..You have a credit card, you rack up 1000 dollars on it , they send you a bill for 100 dollars, you look at the bill and say ..."Why would I send those people MY money?"

Do you understand what credit is ?

I used the credit card to buy something I wanted. If I did not want to I would not use it. Your analogy is flawed. A truer analogy would be the Government using MY credit card without my permission to buy something for a loser like you and making me pay the bill.

Are you always this stupid or are you on a roll today?

jawilljr
07-23-2010, 08:48 PM
The President SAID that the cuts for the rich will expire, and the middle class will keep their cuts.

You will keep your tax cuts you fucking idiots, stop crying about something that will never happen.

Who cares what the President says... what matters is what the Congress does.

Read the Constitution... If the Congress does nothing then there is nothing the President can do.

Jerry

Articulate_Ape
07-23-2010, 09:17 PM
Who cares what the President says... what matters is what the Congress does.

QFT.

And even if he could, how many promises has he already broken?




Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 515:

"No family making less than $250,000 will see "any form of tax increase."

"I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."



Yeah... right.



Smokers, tanning aficionados, the happily uninsured: More taxes coming at ya!

Updated: Thursday, April 8th, 2010 | By Angie Drobnic Holan

We were willing to give President Barack Obama a Compromise rating on this promise when a new cigarette tax went into effect. But the latest health care bill includes more broad-based taxes that are pushing us toward Promise Broken.

We should state at the outset that if you think Obama only meant he would not raise income taxes on people making less than $250,000, then you might think Obama is keeping his promise. The Bush tax cuts expire at the end of 2010, and Obama said he would extend those tax cuts for those making less than $250,000. We still have that promise rated In the Works. People who make more than $250,000 will likely see their taxes go up, just as Obama promised during the campaign.

But Obama's campaign rhetoric took him beyond just income taxes. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes," Obama said. It's that "not any of your taxes" that is the sticking point.

The health care law that Obama signed on March 23, 2010, raises taxes on some things regardless of income. Two taxes in particular stand out. A tax on indoor tanning services begins this year. And in 2014, people will have to pay a fine, levied through their income taxes, if they don't have health insurance. Neither of these taxes are pegged to income.

Obama has made the case that the tax penalty for people who decline to buy insurance should not be considered a broken promise on taxes. If that tax, better known as the individual mandate, were the only new measure we were considering, we might be inclined to rate this a Compromise. But the fact is, if you're a happily uninsured smoker who likes to tan, you are facing a triple whammy.

Obama made many other tax promises that are rated In the Works, and may ultimately move to Promise Kept. But this promise was so broadly phrased that almost any type of revenue-generating measure could have contradicted it. We're now willing to rate it Promise Broken.

Sources:

Thomas, HR 3590, (health care legislation), became public law March 23, 2010

Kaiser Family Foundation, Summary of New Health Care Reform Law, March 23, 2010

Thomas, SCHIP legislation, became public law Feb. 4, 2009
Cigarette tax for SCHIP nips at Obama tax promise

Updated: Thursday, April 2nd, 2009 | By Angie Drobnic Holan

When we launched the Obameter to track President Barack Obama's campaign promises, we identified 38 on taxes covering everything from repealing the Bush tax cuts for higher incomes to supporting tax deductions for artists .

Then, on April 1, 2009, a new cigarette tax went into effect, and we got lots of e-mail from readers saying it violated a promise Obama made on the campaign trail not to raise any taxes on people who make less than $250,000 a year. Lots of people who smoke make less than $250,000 a year, so Obama broke his promise, these readers told us.

We confirmed the quote that many readers sent us. On Sept. 12, 2008, while on the campaign trail in Dover, N.H., Obama said, "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

We didn't have a promise like this in our database. We had separate promises that Obama would make the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes permanent and that he would raise capital gains taxes only on higher incomes. We decided to add this new, more broadly stated promise to our database.

On April 1, cigarette taxes went up. Certainly many people who smoke make less than $250,000. Should we rate this Promise Broken?

This launched an interesting debate here at PolitiFact. Was the final part of Obama's statement "not any of your taxes" intended as a sweeping declaration against any tax, or was he speaking only in the context of income-based taxes? We noted that his statement began with the phrase "Under my plan ..."

We looked to our coverage during the campaign for greater clarity.

Obama has long been on record supporting the cigarette tax increase. During the campaign, Obama often said he supported legislation to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program. At the time, that legislation was in Congress, and even then it included higher cigarette taxes. By saying he supported the SCHIP legislation, Obama was supporting the increased cigarette taxes to pay for it.

SCHIP was among the first pieces of legislation to come to Obama's desk, and he signed it Feb. 4, 2009. We rated it as a Promise Kept .

Another part of our deliberation was that when Obama was on the campaign trail saying that " no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase," his examples were all federal income or payroll taxes. Cigarette taxes are a federal excise tax, which is a tax on goods. (Other federal excise taxes are levied on things like alcohol, gasoline and firearms.) These are not taxes that affect people based on income level, but rather based on whether they purchase certain goods. So while some families who make less than $250,000 a year will be affected by cigarette taxes, the taxes are based on their decision to buy cigarettes, not based on their income.

Obama's promise on the campaign trail may have been a bit of rhetorical excess based on his income tax plan, which seeks to exempt lower incomes from tax increases. Obama has taken specific steps to change that tax code, such as creating capital gains taxes that only apply to higher incomes, that are aimed at protecting the middle class from new taxes. Also, the cigarette tax does not hit all families that make less than $250,000 a year, but only those who choose to smoke. Finally, Obama clearly stated during the campaign that he supported legislation that would raise the cigarette tax, and he never mentioned any form of excise tax when making the promise.

Still, it's a tax increase. People who smoke will pay higher taxes under the measure that Obama signed. We added this promise to our database and rated it a Compromise.


Source (http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/515/no-family-making-less-250000-will-see-any-form-tax/)

The man is a pathological liar. And his lies are gonna cost me an extra $6000+ when realized in 2011.

Hawkgirl
07-23-2010, 09:29 PM
I suspect it will be more in my case because I didn't add income/expenses from my investment properties...nor did I add stock gains (which I guess don't count until I sell)

Gingersnap
07-23-2010, 09:39 PM
So ..You have a credit card, you rack up 1000 dollars on it , they send you a bill for 100 dollars, you look at the bill and say ..."Why would I send those people MY money?"

Do you understand what credit is ?

You use rolling credit? Wow! Everybody I know pays it off every month. We can't afford rolling credit. The few who are still on that game are making double payments to get off the tit.

Articulate_Ape
07-23-2010, 09:50 PM
I suspect it will be more in my case because I didn't add income/expenses from my investment properties...nor did I add stock gains (which I guess don't count until I sell)

Nor the tanning tax. :p

Big Guy
07-23-2010, 09:56 PM
Nor the tanning tax. :p

I usually don't bring race into things, but the "Tanning Tax" seems to be a tax on only "White" people. After all "Black" people don't tan do they?

Articulate_Ape
07-23-2010, 10:02 PM
I usually don't bring race into things, but the "Tanning Tax" seems to be a tax on only "White" people. After all "Black" people don't tan do they?

Actually, I believe that they do, Big Guy. But, I get your point. I doubt many try to via tanning salons, which certainly makes blacks less affected by this tax. I frankly don't understand why anyone would spend money to get a tan that they can get for free, but it should be the choice of the individual.

KhrushchevsShoe
07-23-2010, 11:17 PM
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5779/deficits.jpg

Big Guy
07-23-2010, 11:24 PM
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5779/deficits.jpg

OOOOOOO look at the pretty colors.

lacarnut
07-23-2010, 11:33 PM
The President SAID that the cuts for the rich will expire, and the middle class will keep their cuts.

You will keep your tax cuts you fucking idiots, stop crying about something that will never happen.

When are you going to get a job you lazy bum? Your wife pays taxes not you leech.

Articulate_Ape
07-23-2010, 11:33 PM
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5779/deficits.jpg


That is probably the most deceptive chart I have ever seen in my life. Unsurprising since this is the most deceptive administration and congress I have ever seen in my life, and I am half a century old.

CueSi
07-24-2010, 01:05 AM
I usually don't bring race into things, but the "Tanning Tax" seems to be a tax on only "White" people. After all "Black" people don't tan do they?

I tan, but you won't catch me dead in a tanning salon and I'm wondering why white people bother to do that to themselves. It looks awful.

~QC

Speedy
07-24-2010, 01:10 AM
I usually don't bring race into things, but the "Tanning Tax" seems to be a tax on only "White" people. After all "Black" people don't tan do they?

I propose a hair weave tax, just to even things out.

NJCardFan
07-24-2010, 01:39 AM
I propose a hair weave tax, just to even things out.

How about a hair coloring tax. I'm sorry but a black woman bleaching her hair is both creepy and incredibly funny.

Rockntractor
07-24-2010, 01:42 AM
How about a hair coloring tax. I'm sorry but a black woman bleaching her hair is both creepy and incredibly funny.

I was going to get some corn rows but I can't get any corn to grow.:(

Constitutionally Speaking
07-24-2010, 07:11 AM
The President SAID that the cuts for the rich will expire, and the middle class will keep their cuts.

You will keep your tax cuts you fucking idiots, stop crying about something that will never happen.


The President ALSO said we were lying about his health care bill not taxing us. Now he is arguing in COURT that it IS a tax.

Constitutionally Speaking
07-24-2010, 07:14 AM
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5779/deficits.jpg

Did you notice something????
I have not looked closely at this but here is a pretty damn revealing damnation of your little graph.

The Bush tax cuts EXPIRE at the end of this year, yet your pretty little graph shows that area of the deficit INCREASING WELL PAST when they expire.

How can the portion of the deficit caused by this GROW, when they are GONE. In addition, it runs counter to what actually occurred. Tax revenues, went UP after the tax cuts.

Satanicus
07-24-2010, 08:22 AM
The President ALSO said we were lying about his health care bill not taxing us. Now he is arguing in COURT that it IS a tax.

Is the mandatory car insurance law a tax increase ?

djones520
07-24-2010, 08:36 AM
Is the mandatory car insurance law a tax increase ?

Does the money go to the government? And it's a State law, not a federal law dumbass. And not all states require it, so if you don't like paying it you can move somewhere else. This FEDERAL law does not give you that ability.

Satanicus
07-24-2010, 10:12 AM
Does the money go to the government? And it's a State law, not a federal law dumbass. And not all states require it, so if you don't like paying it you can move somewhere else. This FEDERAL law does not give you that ability.

If the state law that mandates insurance is unconstitutional, then why didn't Bush get rud of it ? ...why don't you guys protest it ?

Rockntractor
07-24-2010, 10:14 AM
If the state law that mandates insurance is unconstitutional, then why didn't Bush get rud of it ? ...why don't you guys protest it ?

Get rud of it?:confused:

linda22003
07-24-2010, 11:35 AM
I usually don't bring race into things, but the "Tanning Tax" seems to be a tax on only "White" people. After all "Black" people don't tan do they?

Correction - it's a tax only on stupid people. All it does is accelerate the aging process on the skin. :rolleyes:

djones520
07-24-2010, 11:41 AM
If the state law that mandates insurance is unconstitutional, then why didn't Bush get rud of it ? ...why don't you guys protest it ?

My lord... do you listen to yourself? Do you really believe what your saying?

Molon Labe
07-24-2010, 11:49 AM
The President SAID that the cuts for the rich will expire, and the middle class will keep their cuts.

You will keep your tax cuts you fucking idiots, stop crying about something that will never happen.

LOL!
I'm already feeling the burden and I'm not rich. Real cool card trick how he gave $400 back only to take triple that during the 2010 filing year.

The middle class has always taken the tax burden for big government. The Democrats just don't hide the fact that they have no basic understanding out economics. There plan is far worse in that they are going to raise taxes in the middle of an economic nightmare. Stupidity on parade.

lacarnut
07-24-2010, 12:01 PM
If the state law that mandates insurance is unconstitutional, then why didn't Bush get rud of it ? ...why don't you guys protest it ?

Car insurance is not mandatory. If you own a car that is paid off, you can put up a bond for liability in lieu of liability insurance.

If you do not own a car, you are not required to buy insurance. RIGHT. On the other hand, if you are a living breathing homosapien, Obama care requires that you buy insurance. The SC will declare this law unconstitutional.

Nubs
07-24-2010, 01:00 PM
Car insurance is not mandatory. If you own a car that is paid off, you can put up a bond for liability in lieu of liability insurance.

If you do not own a car, you are not required to buy insurance. RIGHT. On the other hand, if you are a living breathing homosapien, Obama care requires that you buy insurance. The SC will declare this law unconstitutional.

Correct. If car is paid in full, all you kegally need is PLPD (Personal Liability/Property Damage) coverage. If you hit someone or something, there is coverage. However, the cost to fix your car or receive the fair market value is not covered and you are entitled to only $400.

On topic of increased taxes, the calculator estimates an increase of $2700 dollars. My wifes' income will decrease about $5000 due to modifications in shift premium schedule as a result of ObamaCare. So my household income will drop about 10% under Obama.

Wei Wu Wei
07-24-2010, 06:02 PM
Nice a $1,000 tax credit from Obama's budget.

cajunrevenge
07-24-2010, 06:24 PM
Just over 6 grand. Ain't we got fun?

Your taxes will almost pay for this.... University studying whether mice become disoriented when they consume alcohol in Florida ($8,408)

Doesnt that just make you feel so proud for paying your fair share.....

Articulate_Ape
07-24-2010, 06:39 PM
Your taxes will almost pay for this.... University studying whether mice become disoriented when they consume alcohol in Florida ($8,408)

Doesnt that just make you feel so proud for paying your fair share.....

That ain't my taxes, my friend. That's how much my taxes will increase by. :eek: