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Sonnabend
07-23-2010, 07:53 PM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138752

The United States State Department has announced to the Palestinian Authority/Palestinian Liberation Organization Mission representative in the United States that its status will be upgraded from a 'bureau' to that of a "general delegation' and that this change will allow the office in which the representation is situated to fly the PLO, now also the Palestine Authority, flag at its entrance.

The upgrading, besides allowing the flag to be flown, also grants certan privileges to the delegation staff, such as diplomatic immunity, although it is not equal to embassy status. The PLO's chief representative in the United States, Maen Areikat, said that this step makes the PLO's status in the United States equivalent to its status in Canada and many western European countries.

Israeli Radio reported that sources in Prime Minister Netanyahu's office said that the Prime Minister knew of the planned step and did not object to it. . Diplomatic sources in Jerusalem claimed that the step was taken to strengthen Abu Maazen and try to get him to agree to direct talks with Israel. However, they expressed dissapointment that the White House did not make ceasing the PA's anti Israel incitement a condition for the status upgrade.



There is no such place as Palestine.

Big Guy
07-23-2010, 07:56 PM
Why am I not suprised by this?

Bleda
07-23-2010, 08:13 PM
There is no such place as Palestine.

There is, actually. It's called Jordan. ;)

Articulate_Ape
07-23-2010, 08:51 PM
Why am I not suprised by this?

What he said.

KhrushchevsShoe
07-23-2010, 10:04 PM
There is no such place as Palestine.
Go on, I've seen PoliCon use this meme but it looks like you might be patient zero.

lacarnut
07-23-2010, 10:19 PM
Go on, I've seen PoliCon use this meme but it looks like you might be patient zero.

You seriously need to STFU.

Articulate_Ape
07-23-2010, 10:58 PM
Go on, I've seen PoliCon use this meme but it looks like you might be patient zero.

You're right, there was a Palestine. It was not a country, it was a region throughout much of history, and at best Philistine before that.

Map1 (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/palestine_1020bc.jpg)

After that the region was called Palistinia.

Map 2 (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/palaestina_1849.jpg)

Jordan was part of Palestine, as was Lebanon... There never was at any time in history a nation of Palestine. The term Palestinian is a canard originating with Arafat's PLO in the 1960's. It is a myth that has been so repeated it is now believed by those with weak minds and short memories. It is the meme.

If the Judaic claim on the land is a meme, it is one that is thousands of years old compared to Arafat's fifty year old one. You can lie about history, but you can't change it.

NJCardFan
07-23-2010, 11:17 PM
I'm getting awful tired of this crap. Flying the Chinese flag over the Capitol is one thing but to fly the flag of a terrorist organization is deplorable. Obama sucks terrorist cock to the point of it's near pornographic. I'm sorry to be so blunt but it's so blatantly obvious that this idiot in the White House is pro terrorist and not only anti-Israel but anti-American as well. And the left wing media machine will lap it up like the shitbags that they are. Wake the fuck up people. And Ape, can you tone down the size of those maps just a tad?

Bleda
07-23-2010, 11:22 PM
Just post the links to the images.

Articulate_Ape
07-23-2010, 11:22 PM
And Ape, can you tone down the size of those maps just a tad?

Happy?

Rockntractor
07-24-2010, 01:33 AM
Happy?

They are a little faded can you pump up the color saturation and contrast a little?

NJCardFan
07-24-2010, 02:19 AM
Happy?

Yes only because I like my images small enough to actually see and not have to shift over just to post a reply.

Articulate_Ape
07-24-2010, 11:47 AM
They are a little faded can you pump up the color saturation and contrast a little?

Sure, for a fee.

Odysseus
07-24-2010, 09:10 PM
Go on, I've seen PoliCon use this meme but it looks like you might be patient zero.
You apparently think that there was an Arab state called Palestine. Would you care to supply the historical record of such a place?


Sure, for a fee.

How about animating them and having the borders gradually change to reflect the changes in sovereignty? Or at least adding some bikini shots.

I ought to be surprised, but the best that I can manage is disgust. I suspect that before Obama leaves office, he will recognize and independent Palestinian state, which would be the last thing that either the PA or Hamas wants, as neither of them can actually administer a nation. In fact, the minute that he recognizes them, they would have tol launch a full-scale war on Israel in order to be defeated and brought back under Israeli governance. They can then go back to pretending to be an oppressed people.

Articulate_Ape
07-24-2010, 09:20 PM
You apparently think that there was an Arab state called Palestine. Would you care to supply the historical record of such a place?



How about animating them and having the borders gradually change to reflect the changes in sovereignty?

Ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiGdFnlzBdo

Rockntractor
07-24-2010, 09:49 PM
Ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiGdFnlzBdo

Not bad the oceans look good but the other colors are still a little muted, could we bump up the resolution a little bit?:cool:

Sonnabend
07-24-2010, 10:39 PM
Great animation. No Palestine. Thought so.

Articulate_Ape
07-24-2010, 11:10 PM
Not bad the oceans look good but the other colors are still a little muted, could we bump up the resolution a little bit?:cool:

I suggest you look into eye surgery. I would be happy to offer my services at no charge.

swirling_vortex
07-24-2010, 11:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdH0XxDEjG4

Articulate_Ape
07-25-2010, 01:29 AM
Great vid, swirling_vortex!

m00
07-25-2010, 01:57 PM
You're right, there was a Palestine. It was not a country, it was a region throughout much of history, and at best Philistine before that.

Without looking it up, I believe in Early Christian Times the area was called "The Three Palestines" which referred to Roman provinces.

Odysseus
07-25-2010, 03:31 PM
Ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiGdFnlzBdo

I should have asked for a massage from Cindy Crawford and Angelina Jolie. :D

Sonnabend
07-25-2010, 11:03 PM
I should have asked for a massage from Cindy Crawford and Angelina Jolie.

Me first :mad:

























:D

KhrushchevsShoe
07-25-2010, 11:07 PM
Hm.

I think you're all hung up on the label of the jar as opposed to what's in it. Palestinians could call themselves Neptunians and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. There is a quasi-soveriegn government in modern day Israel that does not consider itself part of Israel. They happen to call themselves Palestinians. Had they chose a different moniker, perhaps they would exist in the eyes of our resident ignoramus.

Bleda
07-25-2010, 11:18 PM
Hm.

I think you're all hung up on the label of the jar as opposed to what's in it. Palestinians could call themselves Neptunians and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. There is a quasi-soveriegn government in modern day Israel that does not consider itself part of Israel. They happen to call themselves Palestinians. Had they chose a different moniker, perhaps they would exist in the eyes of our resident ignoramus.

Of course they exist, but not as a sovereign nation. The "Palestinian territories" are autonomous territories, nothing more, nothing less.

Sonnabend
07-25-2010, 11:49 PM
Had they chose a different moniker, perhaps they would exist in the eyes of our resident ignoramus.

"The group of displaced troublemaking jihadi arabs no one wants"

will do fine.

Articulate_Ape
07-26-2010, 12:39 AM
Hm.

I think you're all hung up on the label of the jar as opposed to what's in it. Palestinians could call themselves Neptunians and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. There is a quasi-soveriegn government in modern day Israel that does not consider itself part of Israel. They happen to call themselves Palestinians. Had they chose a different moniker, perhaps they would exist in the eyes of our resident ignoramus.

The Romani have a name, and yet no country of their own. They have either assimilated or not into the cultures they perpetually pass through. More often they do not and are thus shunned for their unwillingness to do so.

The Arabs of similar character that call themselves "palestinians" are of the same ilk. They are supported by Arab countries that see them as pawns in their desire to destroy the Hebrews, even as they are unwilling to take in, and even have violently expelled the sand pirates of Arafat.

This is a very old feud that has its beginnings with Abraham's rejection of Ishmael in favor of Isaac. That kind of bad blood is of biblical proportions (pardon the pun) and deeper than DNA.

Bleda
07-26-2010, 01:49 AM
My friends, this is why the "Arab-Israeli" (it's actually an Islamic-Israeli) conflict exists:


The Prophet, Allah's prayer and peace be upon him, says: "The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews." (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Number 6985)

Odysseus
07-26-2010, 09:56 AM
Hm.

I think you're all hung up on the label of the jar as opposed to what's in it. Palestinians could call themselves Neptunians and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. There is a quasi-soveriegn government in modern day Israel that does not consider itself part of Israel. They happen to call themselves Palestinians. Had they chose a different moniker, perhaps they would exist in the eyes of our resident ignoramus.

The quasi-sovereign government exists because Israel has given them the autonomy. The point is that the Palestinians are not a distinct people. There is no difference, culturally, religiously or even tribally, between the Egyptian fellahin in the Sinai and the Egyptian fellahin who call themselves Gazans. The same goes for the Arabs on the east and west banks of the Jordan. The Palestinian identity is a sham that was created after the Israelis defeated the combined armies of Jordan, Egypt and Syria and took control of the region in 1967. Before then, there was no independence movement, even though the territory was occupied by three nations that gained them by conquest in 1948. The Palestinians were referred to as stateless refugees from 1948-1967, and were kept in camps by the Arab powers and fed and clothed by the UN, in order to create a cadre of hateful zealots. They succeeded, and the propaganda that has obscured this has found its way into the minds of those who lack the historical knowledge to reject it.

djones520
07-26-2010, 10:03 AM
The quasi-sovereign government exists because Israel has given them the autonomy. The point is that the Palestinians are not a distinct people. There is no difference, culturally, religiously or even tribally, between the Egyptian fellahin in the Sinai and the Egyptian fellahin who call themselves Gazans. The same goes for the Arabs on the east and west banks of the Jordan. The Palestinian identity is a sham that was created after the Israelis defeated the combined armies of Jordan, Egypt and Syria and took control of the region in 1967. Before then, there was no independence movement, even though the territory was occupied by three nations that gained them by conquest in 1948. The Palestinians were referred to as stateless refugees from 1948-1967, and were kept in camps by the Arab powers and fed and clothed by the UN, in order to create a cadre of hateful zealots. They succeeded, and the propaganda that has obscured this has found its way into the minds of those who lack the historical knowledge to reject it.

At one point in time the United States of America didn't exist... No such thing as American's. Just British colonialists. Our move for independance took place over just a couple decades, a relatively shorter period of time then the "palestinian movement".

I think the Palestinians want to move beyond what you just described. I think they're on a relatively good track (not counting the ones in Gaza.) Sure things could be going better, but I think we'd do better to keep an open mind instead of just outright reject such things. Especially considering our foundings.

Calypso Jones
07-26-2010, 10:35 AM
I now expect this from this administration....what bothers me is when it invades the retail business. I was at Kohl's late last week....there on the wall was a promo picture of a teen age girl with a pretty sharp scarf on that was remarkably close to the design in those black and white PLO rags that the a-rabs where on their punkin heads. I'm going back to talk to the manager.

Also learned that OUR local hospital, who the main chaplain is a woman..probably a lesbian and definitely a leftist, has a load of Korans in the chapel.

PoliCon
07-26-2010, 10:36 AM
Hm.

I think you're all hung up on the label of the jar as opposed to what's in it. Palestinians could call themselves Neptunians and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. There is a quasi-soveriegn government in modern day Israel that does not consider itself part of Israel. They happen to call themselves Palestinians. Had they chose a different moniker, perhaps they would exist in the eyes of our resident ignoramus.

You mean the if the Arab peoples had called themselves Arab they would suddenly have a right to a country on the same space as Israel and should not have refugee status in the Arab countries of Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon? :rolleyes: The Palestinian people ceased to exist thousands of years ago. There was NEVER a nation called Palestine.

PoliCon
07-26-2010, 10:37 AM
Also learned that OUR local hospital, who the main chaplain is a woman..probably a lesbian and definitely a leftist, has a load of Korans in the chapel. And of course she see's no irony in having them there. :rolleyes: It like when you see the gheys in SF rallying for Palestine - when Palestine still stones teh gheys. Israel on the other hand gives them right - but in SF - Israel is the debil. MORONS:rolleyes:

Odysseus
07-26-2010, 01:07 PM
At one point in time the United States of America didn't exist... No such thing as American's. Just British colonialists. Our move for independance took place over just a couple decades, a relatively shorter period of time then the "palestinian movement".

I think the Palestinians want to move beyond what you just described. I think they're on a relatively good track (not counting the ones in Gaza.) Sure things could be going better, but I think we'd do better to keep an open mind instead of just outright reject such things. Especially considering our foundings.

Your analysis is flawed. The Palestinian situation is not analogous to our founding. Initially, the American colonists sought to live under British law, but as British citizens, with the same rights that they had in England. The British crown denied the colonists these rights. Local legislatures were disolved and taxes imposed without representation. Attempts to petition the crown were denied and each subsequent conflict resulted in harsh reprisals against the lives, liberty and property of the colonists. It was only after two years of war that the colonies declared their independence, and even then, Declaration of Independence showed that we did not seek to overthrow the British monarchy or parliament, but to dissolve the bonds that tied us to them.

In contrast, the Palestinians have never wanted to live under Israeli governance, and have denied, not just Israeli sovereignty over the West Bank and Gaza, but over Israel. They have sought the destruction of Israel and the death of every non-Muslim therein. And, when independence was offered, the Palestinians rejected it, deliberately avoiding becoming a sovereign state.

When Clinton hosted Arafat and Ehud Barak at the White House in December 2000, a final settlement proposal was offered. The plan offered by Clinton and endorsed by Barak would have given the Palestinians 97 percent of the West Bank, full control of the Gaza Strip and a land-link between the two, guaranteed Israeli withdrawal from 63 settlements and territorial concessions that would increase the size of the Gaza territory by a third. Jerusalem would have been re-partitioned, with Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem established as the Palestinian. Refugees would have had the right of return to the Palestinian state, and would receive reparations from a $30 billion fund. Not only would the Palestinians maintain control over their holy places, they were also guaranteed desalinization plants to ensure adequate water. In return for this, the only asked of the Palestinians was Israeli sovereignty over the parts of the Western Wall religiously significant to Jews (i.e., not the entire Temple Mount), and three early warning stations in the Jordan valley, which Israel would withdraw from after six years.

Arafat's response: War. The al Aqsa Intifada, specifically. No counter offer, no "let me talk it over with my buds in Fata." Just a violent, brutal, bloody attack that involved desecration of the Church of the Nativity and the murder of as many Israelis as possible.

Why? Easy:

The PA and Hamas do not want sovereignty because it would end their racket. As refugees, they rake in billions in aid from credulous Europeans. As terrorists, they get arms and training from like-minded regimes which see them as a proxy in the Muslim war on infidel Jews. If they accepted independence, it would mean that they would be responsible for governing, and would have to spend the aid on infrastructure, services and all of the other things that governments are supposed to do. That would leave far less money for baksheesh and outright theft. Every dollar spent on sewers, roads, trash collection or hospitals is one dollar that can no longer be spent on villas, hookers or largesse for their clans and tribes. Governing is about accountability, while terrorism is about romantic illusions and venal self-interest.

djones520
07-26-2010, 01:40 PM
Now I did just read something interesting. In 2006 Congress declared the PLO a terrorist organization. As far as I can tell it is still considered one by our government. So why the fuck are we upgrading their diplomatic status in our country?

PoliCon
07-26-2010, 02:23 PM
Now I did just read something interesting. In 2006 Congress declared the PLO a terrorist organization. As far as I can tell it is still considered one by our government. So why the fuck are we upgrading their diplomatic status in our country?

Because Barry Obama has yet to meet a muslim or an islamic organization he does not like.

Odysseus
07-26-2010, 03:39 PM
Now I did just read something interesting. In 2006 Congress declared the PLO a terrorist organization. As far as I can tell it is still considered one by our government. So why the fuck are we upgrading their diplomatic status in our country?

That's a very good question. If only there were some organization who had access to representatives of the administraiton and had the means to ask that question and then publish the answer, say in a large volume of printed materials that could be distributed daily via young boys on bicycles, corner kiosks, vending machines or even electronically on the internet. <sigh> If only...

But since there is no such thing, I will answer the question. Remember that under our kinder, gentler regime (unless you happen to be BP, an auto company debt holder or any other domestic opponent of our dear leader's agenda), there is no longer such a thing as terrorism. Those unfortunate acts are now called "man caused disasters." Therefore, there are no terrorists, only "disaster facilitators." And nothing says "please, make me your dhimmi" like extending the full range of diplomatic niceties to those who wish to facilitate disasters on our heads before lopping them off.