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namvet
08-03-2010, 01:07 PM
A New York City panel voted unanimously Tuesday to reject landmark status for a building near the World Trade Center site, paving the way for construction of a mosque and an Islamic community center.

Opponents of the project, including 9/11 first-responders and family members of victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, have said the location would be insensitive.



source (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/03/new-york-city-panel-clears-way-mosque-ground-zero/)

prayer rug donations needed

FlaGator
08-03-2010, 01:08 PM
source (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/03/new-york-city-panel-clears-way-mosque-ground-zero/)

prayer rug donations needed

I suspect that some people will be donating explosives to the project.

lacarnut
08-03-2010, 02:02 PM
I don't think it will ever get built at least not with American labor. Don't think there are enough sand monkeys to build it.

obx
08-03-2010, 02:20 PM
Good place for a hot dog stand.
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AmPat
08-03-2010, 04:35 PM
A nice Pork BBQ restaurant would go nicely there. I would recommend dog kennels and a butcher shop open on the premises if this abomination is built on the site.

We need to stop this building at all costs. This will become permanent islam property to muslims once the abomination is built. Where is the common sense in this country?:mad:

noonwitch
08-03-2010, 04:38 PM
I don't think it will ever get built at least not with American labor. Don't think there are enough sand monkeys to build it.


What's the unemployment rate in NYC? Work is work, to a lot of people, at this point.

AmPat
08-03-2010, 04:41 PM
What's the unemployment rate in NYC? Work is work, to a lot of people, at this point.

I'd apply for a job there just to get a chance to leave a large, steaming pile of crap on the site.Then I'd revel in the fact that all those attendees were sticking their noses in my poop 5 times a day.:cool:

Satanicus
08-03-2010, 04:46 PM
Yep, the republican hacks that are against the mosque being built have NO PROBLEM with the strip joint, porno store, and off track betting that are right there.

What is so wrong with Islam ?

AmPat
08-03-2010, 04:52 PM
Yep, the republican hacks that are against the mosque being built have NO PROBLEM with the strip joint, porno store, and off track betting that are right there.

What is so wrong with Islam ?

Do you have ANY brain at all? You know damn well it isn't about "islam." Stop with the childish attempt to simplify the argument.

Do you seriously not see a problem with erecting a mosque on a site where in the name of radical islam, 3000 Americans were killed? Seriously, grow up!

PoliCon
08-03-2010, 05:03 PM
Time to rent or purchase the properties to either side of this abomination and have fun.

namvet
08-03-2010, 05:13 PM
this will be an ideal place to build bombs and assemble IED's or a dirty bomb. just throw it out the window. what a delivery system. no need to sneak thru borders anymore.

Satanicus
08-03-2010, 05:22 PM
Do you have ANY brain at all? You know damn well it isn't about "islam." Stop with the childish attempt to simplify the argument.

Do you seriously not see a problem with erecting a mosque on a site where in the name of radical islam, 3000 Americans were killed? Seriously, grow up!

They allow a church to exist across the street from the Murrah Federal Building after a rightwing Christian blew it up.

As if all Christians and Muslums are represented by McVeigh and Bin Laden, give it a break already

Zathras
08-03-2010, 05:37 PM
http://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/3792c23e-2a46-4089-aab5-d21477e0b8bb.jpg

Fixed

Satanicus
08-03-2010, 05:48 PM
Mods.

Take a bow. Your doing a great job.

I never met someone who came to a forum to post childish pics ...EVERY POST.

Check the past posts for Zathras , EVERY post is just like the one above.

Why would someone come to a forum to do that ? ..no debate, no discussion, just an empty head and an internet connection in moms basement.

But really , why would you come here to do just that ? , how pathetic.

lacarnut
08-03-2010, 05:52 PM
What's the unemployment rate in NYC? Work is work, to a lot of people, at this point.

Maybe so or union workers might tell them to go eat a pork sandwich. I don't think it will get built. If Rudy was Mayor, I know it would not.

PoliCon
08-03-2010, 05:55 PM
http://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/0eb68d3f-1172-406c-a2be-0b8f27b22bce.jpg

But really , why do I come here to do just that ? , how pathetic.Fixed.

lacarnut
08-03-2010, 05:58 PM
Mods.

Take a bow. Your doing a great job.

I never met someone who came to a forum to post childish pics ...EVERY POST.

Check the past posts for Zathras , EVERY post is just like the one above.

Why would someone come to a forum to do that ? ..no debate, no discussion, just an empty head and an internet connection in moms basement.

But really , why would you come here to do just that ? , how pathetic.

You don't think it is funny? What a sad sack of shit you are. Hurrr, Durrr, Derp, Derp Derp:D

Satanicus
08-03-2010, 06:02 PM
You don't think it is funny?

Ya , alot of the pics are funny.

But I was wondering why Zathras comes here ? ...He posts these pics EVERY TIME HE POSTS.

It's pretty creepy, he has an empty head.

PoliCon
08-03-2010, 06:05 PM
Ya , alot of the pics are funny.

But I was wondering why Zathras comes here ? ...He posts these pics EVERY TIME HE POSTS.

It's pretty creepy, he has an empty head.


Funny seems to me that the only time he does it is when you post something seriously fucking stupid.

http://trollcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/you_will_die_friendless_and_alone_trollcat.jpg

JB
08-03-2010, 06:07 PM
What is so wrong with Islam ?How much time do you have?

Satanicus
08-03-2010, 06:08 PM
How much time do you have?

And your answer would include ALL religions by default.

lacarnut
08-03-2010, 06:09 PM
Funny seems to me that the only time he does it is when you post something seriously fucking stupid.

http://trollcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/you_will_die_friendless_and_alone_trollcat.jpg

Pictures tell a thousand words. In Santicus case, it might be more. :eek:

Zathras
08-03-2010, 06:11 PM
Ya , alot of the pics are funny.

But I was wondering why Zathras comes here ? ...He posts these pics EVERY TIME HE POSTS.

It's pretty creepy, he has an empty head.

Prove it DUmmy, prove that I post these pics EVERY TIME I POST....don't bother because, like everything else you post about, you don't have a fucking clue.

As for me having an empty head? If my head is empty, yours is a black hole, sucking all of the intelligence from the room and destroying it.

http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/you-fucking-crybaby.jpg

Zathras
08-03-2010, 06:12 PM
Pictures tell a thousand words. In Santicus case, it might be more. :eek:

Which is why I reply to him in picture form.

JB
08-03-2010, 06:27 PM
And your answer would include ALL religions by default.No, it wouldn't. The topic is "what's wrong with Islam".

lacarnut
08-03-2010, 06:44 PM
Which is why I reply to him in picture form.

It seems to register better than the written word.

Zafod
08-03-2010, 07:25 PM
Which is why I reply to him in picture form.

why even bother with the kept husband?

he is his wifes little house boy.

Hawkgirl
08-03-2010, 09:49 PM
Just for the fact that the pictures piss Satanicus off...they should be posted regularly in any of his stupid threads or stupid posts.

As for what's wrong for Islam......EVERYTHING. The only peace loving mooslims are the ones who don't follow the Koran as much as the fanatics. Islam is inherently evil.
The Koran tells Mooslims to kill infidels....the Koran does not preach tolerance...but hate.

nightflight
08-03-2010, 10:14 PM
Yep, the republican hacks that are against the mosque being built have NO PROBLEM with the strip joint, porno store, and off track betting that are right there.

What is so wrong with Islam ?

You stupid mother fucker, it was Islamists that killed 2800 of your fellow countrymen that day. Not strippers, not bookies, not porn stars. If you don't know what the intended symbolism of a mosque at that location is then you truly are a goofy bastard.

Rockntractor
08-03-2010, 10:16 PM
You stupid mother fucker, it was Islamists that killed 2800 of your fellow countrymen that day. Not strippers, not bookies, not porn stars. If you don't know what the intended symbolism of a mosque at that location is then you truly are a goofy bastard.

He is lower than the stuff that comes out of the back side of a maggot!

namvet
08-03-2010, 10:21 PM
what's wrong with Islam??? murder, rape, incest, honor killings. to bad Hitler didn't know. here's the inferior race.

PoliCon
08-03-2010, 10:40 PM
what's wrong with Islam??? murder, rape, incest, honor killings. to bad Hitler didn't know. here's the inferior race.

The muslims were some of Hitlers most loyal allies.

namvet
08-03-2010, 11:09 PM
The muslims were some of Hitlers most loyal allies.

that's right. remember Yasser Arafat ??? his uncle organized muslims to hunt down the jews. his name was Amin Al Husseini

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/4-Husseini-nazi_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/5-himmler_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg

muslims recruits
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/5-poster_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/7-Husseini-soldier_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg

I think they should build the mosque. fill it with muslims and let the jews blow it up

Wei Wu Wei
08-03-2010, 11:11 PM
what's wrong with Islam??? murder, rape, incest, honor killings. to bad Hitler didn't know. here's the inferior race.

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NJCardFan
08-03-2010, 11:22 PM
What is so wrong with Islam ?

Oh, nothing I suppose. :rolleyes:
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2010/7/3/t-image-2-808092808.jpg

Hawkgirl
08-04-2010, 12:17 AM
The muslims were some of Hitlers most loyal allies.


That's right...The Muslim Brotherhood and the Nazi's were an allied force.

CueSi
08-04-2010, 01:06 AM
They allow a church to exist across the street from the Murrah Federal Building after a rightwing Christian blew it up.

As if all Christians and Muslums are represented by McVeigh and Bin Laden, give it a break already

McVeigh was an agnostic. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh) Would you like to play the stereotype card again?


~QC

NJCardFan
08-04-2010, 03:09 AM
They allow a church to exist across the street from the Murrah Federal Building after a rightwing Christian blew it up.

As if all Christians and Muslums are represented by McVeigh and Bin Laden, give it a break already

Big difference here Cholly. McVeigh's problem was politically motivated and was a direct reaction to Ruby Ridge and Waco. It's no coincidence that he chose the anniversary of Waco to blow that building up. His act was in response to a corrupt government who slaughtered innocent Americans for pretty much no reason at all but claims that they were holding weapons. The 9/11 attacks were entirely religiously motivated. There are recordings from United Flt. 93 with the hijackers chanting "Allah Akbar" while the passengers tried to breach the cockpit and they(the terrorists) flew the plane into the ground. But only a moron like you can't figure this out.

lacarnut
08-04-2010, 09:56 AM
Oh, nothing I suppose. :rolleyes:
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2010/7/3/t-image-2-808092808.jpg

Where is the outrage from NOW and liberals on barbaric actions like this. The sorry bastards that head the UN Human Rights organization would rather investigate the US rather than an atrocity like this or stoning of women. We need to get out of this sorry outfit.

namvet
08-04-2010, 10:04 AM
they best do something if they want to avoid that blinding flash over head

Molon Labe
08-04-2010, 10:09 AM
This Mosque in protest isn't exactly at Ground zero. I've read it's going to be 4 blocks from ground zero......near another one.

I also found out there is already a Mosque 4 blocks from ground zero (http://www.masjidmanhattan.com/)

namvet
08-04-2010, 10:18 AM
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FlaGator
08-04-2010, 10:23 AM
Hey! Can we build a Starbucks next to the Dome of the Rock?

Molon Labe
08-04-2010, 10:29 AM
Hey! Can we build a Starbucks next to the Dome of the Rock?

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a McDonald's nearby.

NJCardFan
08-04-2010, 11:08 AM
As I'm seeing around the net, if this project does indeed go through, I'm hoping someone will push hard for a few rib joints right across the street along with a dog grooming place. Seriously, I'd be interested on what would happen if this "community center" is indeed built and if someone like Red, White, & Blues or Fat Jacks wanted to build across the street if either a) the owners of said "community center" would vehemently object and b) would the zoning board allow it on PC grounds.

ironhorsedriver
08-04-2010, 11:44 AM
If Islam was truly a caring, peaceful religion, as we're suppose to believe, then they should pull this construction project. It obviously is an open wound to so many. Most responsible organizations, religious or otherwise would. But the islamic morons want to stoke the flames.

noonwitch
08-04-2010, 11:53 AM
what's wrong with Islam??? murder, rape, incest, honor killings. to bad Hitler didn't know. here's the inferior race.



I read an interesting quote of Hitler's in Eric Metaxas' Bonhoeffer bio. I don't have the exact quote, but he basically cursed the fact that Germany/Europe was christian, when it would be much easier for him to take over if they the muslim faith was the predominate religion in Europe.

I personally don't have a problem with the mosque being built in that location, but I am a feminist and generally mistrust Islam for that reason alone. The law is on the muslims' side, in this matter, as they own the land. Unless it can be proved that the group building the mosque is directly linked to terrorism, or is planning to use the building to plan and launch terror attacks, it's going to get built.

ConHunter
08-04-2010, 11:58 AM
You people are nothing but a bunch of anti-Muslim hate mongers. Would you people be bitching if they were building a Christian community center? I suspect the answer is no. After all, you Christian nutcases think America is a Christian nation.

Rockntractor
08-04-2010, 12:00 PM
You people are nothing but a bunch of anti-Muslim hate mongers. Would you people be bitching if they were building a Christian community center? I suspect the answer is no. After all, you Christian nutcases think America is a Christian nation.

I think your coonhunter username is racist, misspelled or not!

AmPat
08-04-2010, 12:42 PM
They allow a church to exist across the street from the Murrah Federal Building after a rightwing Christian blew it up.

As if all Christians and Muslums are represented by McVeigh and Bin Laden, give it a break already

Is this Church actively involved in anti-American activities?:rolleyes: The devil backing this hideous abomination is actively engaged in anti-American groups. This POS is involved in the Gaza flotilla idiots.

AmPat
08-04-2010, 12:50 PM
You people are nothing but a bunch of anti-Muslim hate mongers. Would you people be bitching if they were building a Christian community center? I suspect the answer is no. After all, you Christian nutcases think America is a Christian nation.

One Nation, Under God,,,,,,,,,,,,,Written by CHRISTIAN FOUNDERS!

Moron!

PoliCon
08-04-2010, 12:51 PM
you Christian nutcases think America is a Christian nation. Define "Christian nation."

ConHunter
08-04-2010, 01:07 PM
Define "Christian nation."

It's conservatives who are always claiming we are a "Christian nation." Shouldn't you be the one to define it?

PoliCon
08-04-2010, 01:14 PM
It's conservatives who are always claiming we are a "Christian nation." Shouldn't you be the one to define it?


YOU brought it up - offer YOUR definition of the term. If you don't know what the term means how is it you are so sure that we are NOT a Christian nation?

FlaGator
08-04-2010, 01:23 PM
YOU brought it up - offer YOUR definition of the term. If you don't know what the term means how is it you are so sure that we are NOT a Christian nation?

I know that I told you earlier that I try not to attack the person and instead I attack the ideas of the person. I must confess that these two guys make that really hard to live up to. :eek:

AmPat
08-04-2010, 01:25 PM
It's conservatives who are always claiming we are a "Christian nation." Shouldn't you be the one to define it?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124793/This-Christmas-78-Americans-Identify-Christian.aspx

If the USA is not Christian, what is it??
Is Saudi Arabia a Christian Nation?:rolleyes:

ConHunter
08-04-2010, 02:01 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124793/This-Christmas-78-Americans-Identify-Christian.aspx

If the USA is not Christian, what is it??
Is Saudi Arabia a Christian Nation?:rolleyes:

The fact that the majority in this country is Christian does not make us a Christian nation. Ever read the First Amendment? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." The part of the First Amendment I just quoted establishes a Separation of Church And State.

PoliCon
08-04-2010, 02:06 PM
I know that I told you earlier that I try not to attack the person and instead I attack the ideas of the person. I must confess that these two guys make that really hard to live up to. :eek:

I'm of the mind that when you are faced with a generation of vipers - you call them a generation of vipers.

PoliCon
08-04-2010, 02:07 PM
The fact that the majority in this country is Christian does not make us a Christian nation. Ever read the First Amendment? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." The part of the First Amendment I just quoted establishes a Separation of Church And State.

define "Christian nation."

FlaGator
08-04-2010, 02:08 PM
The fact that the majority in this country is Christian does not make us a Christian nation. Ever read the First Amendment? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." The part of the First Amendment I just quoted establishes a Separation of Church And State.

Actually it does not establish a separation between Church and State, it simply makes firm the position that the government will not interfere in someones ability to practice his or her religion. It in no way precludes the possibility that the government may choose a specific belief system as the basis for its laws and regulations. You read a lot more in to that amendment that what it actually says which is a common liberal trait.

FlaGator
08-04-2010, 02:11 PM
I'm of the mind that when you are faced with a generation of vipers - you call them a generation of vipers.

And your position may very well be the correct one. ;)

NJCardFan
08-04-2010, 03:26 PM
You people are nothing but a bunch of anti-Muslim hate mongers. Would you people be bitching if they were building a Christian community center? I suspect the answer is no. After all, you Christian nutcases think America is a Christian nation.

Read the Declaration of Independence you idiot. Read the Founders notes. We are a nation of Christian values and when asked what religious beliefs Americans have, the majority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States), an overwhelming majority identify themselves as Christian.

As for your claim of us being anti-Muslim, I am guilty as charged. Islam is an evil religion. Look at the Time magazine cover I posted in this thread. This girl had her ears and nose cut off by her husband and was given permission to do so by his Imam. Radical Islamists recite text in the Koran that calls for the slaughter of the infidels. While Christianity has it's moments, it doesn't compare to Islam. You have to go back hundreds of years to find something to complain about Christianity. This is why libtards like you constantly bring up the Crusades. Christ, you can't even keep it within 800 years. Islam's record against women is abysmal. Read the Bible. There are countless stories about heroic women. Women play a huge roll in Christianity and Judaism. Women play no role in Islam. But since you compared it, name me the last act of terror that was done in the name of Christianity. I'll wait. I'm not talking about some nut who goes on a shooting spree, I'm talking about an act of terror that was sponsored by a Christian group.

Molon Labe
08-04-2010, 03:38 PM
The fact that the majority in this country is Christian does not make us a Christian nation. Ever read the First Amendment? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." The part of the First Amendment I just quoted establishes a Separation of Church And State.

Congress shall not ESTABLISH a RELIGION.....

Meaning that the federal government will not do what England did and establish a Church of England

The Seperation clause is very misunderstood. It has nothing to do with practicing religion or religious practice in government, reading the bible at a graduation, praying in Congress, having school prayer, reading the Bible or any other religious work in a public school classroom, or using the Bible as a reference in a school curriculum......

It has to do with making a government legally bound to a state religion, nothing else.

noonwitch
08-04-2010, 04:01 PM
I'm not talking about some nut who goes on a shooting spree, I'm talking about an act of terror that was sponsored by a Christian group.



John Eric Rudolph. He's not a lone psycho, he had a lot of people helping him hide out from the law, after committing several well-planned acts of terrorism against gays, ob/gyns and at the Atlanta Olympics. He did it for christian religious reasons-his opposition to the acceptance of gays by society and his opposition to legal abortion were his motives.

I think the Nuremburg Files website was/is supporting terrorism in the name of christianity. They publish the names and home addresses of ob/gyns who perform abortions on their website, then celebrate when some nutjob goes ahead and kills one of the doctors.

The people who shoot doctors who provide abortion services are terrorists. Many are part of large networks of people who support their actions-not legitimate antiabortion groups like Right To Life or Catholics for Life, but fringe groups of people who have adopted the "by any means necessary" mentality.

djones520
08-04-2010, 04:17 PM
Mods.

Take a bow. Your doing a great job.

I never met someone who came to a forum to post childish pics ...EVERY POST.

Check the past posts for Zathras , EVERY post is just like the one above.

Why would someone come to a forum to do that ? ..no debate, no discussion, just an empty head and an internet connection in moms basement.

But really , why would you come here to do just that ? , how pathetic.

You are a self avowed troll. You've been banned from this website for commiting acts which we could have reported you to the authorities for.

The ONLY reason you are still allowed to be here is because we find you amusing. You are an object for us to laugh at. The second that is no longer true you will be banned again. So stop your whining.

malloc
08-04-2010, 05:40 PM
I was watching the news this morning, and I think the opposition just might have a case strong enough to block this. It seems that the Landmarks and Preservation Committee might not have followed their own rules, including a public hearing, while they were in their hurry to give this project the go ahead. I also think the argument that a Mosque at ground zero would be as insensitive to the 9/11 victim's families as blocking the Mosque would be to Muslims also carries a good argument.

Speedy
08-04-2010, 08:56 PM
Dennis Miller had a great point today on O'Reilly. Miller said, "The Muslims are saying that we should be tolerant and allow the mosque to go up. If it goes up I say that they sould get the whole deal. The sausage and pepperoni pizza vendors, the Naked Cowboy, the strip bars, the street corner evangelists and the porno flyer guys so we can see how tolerant they are."

NJCardFan
08-04-2010, 08:58 PM
John Eric Rudolph. He's not a lone psycho, he had a lot of people helping him hide out from the law, after committing several well-planned acts of terrorism against gays, ob/gyns and at the Atlanta Olympics. He did it for christian religious reasons-his opposition to the acceptance of gays by society and his opposition to legal abortion were his motives.

I think the Nuremburg Files website was/is supporting terrorism in the name of christianity. They publish the names and home addresses of ob/gyns who perform abortions on their website, then celebrate when some nutjob goes ahead and kills one of the doctors.

The people who shoot doctors who provide abortion services are terrorists. Many are part of large networks of people who support their actions-not legitimate antiabortion groups like Right To Life or Catholics for Life, but fringe groups of people who have adopted the "by any means necessary" mentality.

Wow. 1 guy is all you can come up with? I believe my point has been made.


The part of the First Amendment I just quoted establishes a Separation of Church And State.
Um, no it doesn't. It states that congress could not come out and say that Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism or any other religion would be the official religion of the U.S. The 1st amendment also goes on to say "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", something you conveniently left out. That said, the Constitution says nothing about states establishing religions. That falls under the 10th Amendment. However, with that, the early state constitutions decided to follow the Constitution's lead and not establish an official religion. All of that said, this country was founded on Judeo-Christian morals and beliefs. Again, read the Founders' notes and writings. Oh, and you will not find any official document mentioning anything about a separation of church and state. A little education goes a long way, moron.

m00
08-04-2010, 09:00 PM
What is so wrong with Islam ?

Um, they stone people to death for adultery. In this day and age. Are you anti-DP?

asdf2231
08-04-2010, 09:49 PM
Ya , alot of the pics are funny.

But I was wondering why Zathras comes here ? ...He posts these pics EVERY TIME HE POSTS.

It's pretty creepy, he has an empty head.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l307/asdf2231/smileys%20and%20fun/cats/2-1.jpg.

MountainMan
08-04-2010, 10:19 PM
They allow a church to exist across the street from the Murrah Federal Building after a rightwing Christian blew it up.

As if all Christians and Muslums are represented by McVeigh and Bin Laden, give it a break already

Lie...Tim McVeigh wasn't a Christian and you know it.

obx
08-04-2010, 10:52 PM
You people are nothing but a bunch of anti-Muslim hate mongers.

Not true. I know some of them would give you the towel right off their head.
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Articulate_Ape
08-04-2010, 11:17 PM
You people are nothing but a bunch of anti-Muslim hate mongers..

Define "You people".

My SIL came within about 15 minutes of dying on 9/11. She worked at the WTC and only lived because she scaled over 60 floors by the stairs, ignoring the Port Authority's advice over the PA system, the last 25 or so on her ass because her legs wouldn't carry her. There was no cell service so we didn't know if she was alive or dead for at least 4 hours when she was able to find a land line after wading through chaos brought on by the most peaceful religion in the world.

Do the semi-savages wishing to build this mosque have a constitutional right to do so? Despite my personal feelings, yes they do. However, just as the 1st amendment provides for the freedom of speech and not the right to have that speech listened to or accepted without legal repercussions, so the right of these people to build their mosque does not guaranty them the right to be accepted or avoid legal repercussions.

I think this set of barbarians picked the wrong plot of land. This ain't Spain.

LibraryLady
08-05-2010, 06:30 AM
This Mosque in protest isn't exactly at Ground zero. I've read it's going to be 4 blocks from ground zero......near another one.

I also found out there is already a Mosque 4 blocks from ground zero (http://www.masjidmanhattan.com/)


Masjid Manhattan is located in downtown Manhattan in the WTC/financial district. It is one block from NYC City Hall (between Church St. & Broadway).
Since 1970, Masjid Manhattan has been a peaceful, not-for-profit organization located in the area of downtown Manhattan. Our members are City, State and Federal employees, as well as professional employees of the Financial area who come to our Masjid to perform their daily prayers.

The mosque was built the same year as the twin towers.

Sonnabend
08-05-2010, 06:31 AM
What is so wrong with Islam ?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LnvlEXlyrNo/SrKZBhY8NfI/AAAAAAAAANE/F1j1Drorhu8/S370/everything+i+need+to+know+about+islam+i+learned+on +911.jpg

noonwitch
08-05-2010, 08:37 AM
Wow. 1 guy is all you can come up with? I believe my point has been made.



John Eric Rudolph is not the only man who has killed ob/gyns because of his religious views on abortion. He's just the only one who's name sticks in my head. The guy who killed Dr. Tiller is equally a terrorist, and so is Paul Hill (I think that's his name), who killed the doctor in Florida.

asdf2231
08-05-2010, 02:12 PM
John Eric Rudolph is not the only man who has killed ob/gyns because of his religious views on abortion. He's just the only one who's name sticks in my head. The guy who killed Dr. Tiller is equally a terrorist, and so is Paul Hill (I think that's his name), who killed the doctor in Florida.

An argument can be made that while they were all members of certain religious sects that shared similar tenants and drew their reasoning for their actions from singularly secular interpretations of their duty to God, they were not all members of a religion which held as a basic tenant the direction to do what they did.

One of the bedrock biggies in Islam is the destruction of infidels and the rewards for becoming a martyr of instantly attaining heaven with the accompanying results. Under the tenants of all those men you mentioned, the presumption of those who follow the same scriptures is that they will burn in hell, not be rewarded with 72 virgins.

If there were an organized branch of christianity that was churning out the amount of killers that Islam does I would be okay calling them terrorists. While the actions of these men can be proclaimed domestic terrorism it is acknowledging acts of domestic terror instead of a terrorist INSTITUTION.

Anyone trying to seriously frame Christianity as Islam's mirror opposite where terrorism and acts of barbarism are concerned is freaking nuts. Because there is no equivilency in modern times.

noonwitch
08-05-2010, 04:08 PM
An argument can be made that while they were all members of certain religious sects that shared similar tenants and drew their reasoning for their actions from singularly secular interpretations of their duty to God, they were not all members of a religion which held as a basic tenant the direction to do what they did.

One of the bedrock biggies in Islam is the destruction of infidels and the rewards for becoming a martyr of instantly attaining heaven with the accompanying results. Under the tenants of all those men you mentioned, the presumption of those who follow the same scriptures is that they will burn in hell, not be rewarded with 72 virgins.

If there were an organized branch of christianity that was churning out the amount of killers that Islam does I would be okay calling them terrorists. While the actions of these men can be proclaimed domestic terrorism it is acknowledging acts of domestic terror instead of a terrorist INSTITUTION.

Anyone trying to seriously frame Christianity as Islam's mirror opposite where terrorism and acts of barbarism are concerned is freaking nuts. Because there is no equivilency in modern times.


I'm not disagreeing with your last point, but I would theorize that Islam is going through the same thing Chrisitianity did during the reformation and counter-reformation, they just have more destructive weapons available to them in this day and age. Just look at some of the actions of the british catholics against Elizabeth I. I just pray that the enlightenment that follwed those bloody christian battles will come to Islam soon.

If a jew or a christian decided to follow everything that the OT God commands of His people, well, there's not much difference from some of the commandments in the Koran. I'm not up to listing them all, but the Israelite's takeover of Canaan after the Exodus had some total slaughters of cities by the Israelite army. I've read a lot of justifications for that by scholars-the Canaanites sacrificed their babies to Molech, God commanded the Israelites to slaughter the inhabitants of Jericho, etc. There are even a couple of battles where the Bible states that God instructs the Israelites to kill everyone in a city, including women and children, and to rip the babies out of the wombs of pregnant women. Those types of actions, even in a war, are unthinkable to modern christians and jews.

namvet
08-05-2010, 04:09 PM
they never considered a church there :confused:

Zathras
08-05-2010, 06:06 PM
I've heard that a lot of construction workers in the NY area will refuse to work on the new construction for this abomination. Hard to construct a building if no one will build it.

lacarnut
08-05-2010, 06:37 PM
I've heard that a lot of construction workers in the NY area will refuse to work on the new construction for this abomination. Hard to construct a building if no one will build it.

O'Reilly stated the same thing on his program the other night. If they try to build it, delays and cost over runs will eat them alive.

Articulate_Ape
08-05-2010, 06:46 PM
I've heard that a lot of construction workers in the NY area will refuse to work on the new construction for this abomination. Hard to construct a building if no one will build it.

That will only be the beginning of their woes. The Constitution protects their right to build it; it offers no such right protecting it from immense unpopularity. Something tells me that they are not going to "heart" NY for very long.

patriot45
08-06-2010, 12:22 AM
This Mosque in protest isn't exactly at Ground zero. I've read it's going to be 4 blocks from ground zero......near another one.

I also found out there is already a Mosque 4 blocks from ground zero (http://www.masjidmanhattan.com/)

You know all this equivicating is funny from Americans, We are Americans , right!?
You want a Shinto shrine at Pearl harbor? Can we put up a tribute to atomic sciences at Hiroshima, Nagasaki!? Why can't common sense come into play? A moske(sic) at ground zero or even 4 blocks away is a punch in the face. Do you like toi get punched in the face?

I might be in florida, but I lost friends in the towers. If I still lived in NY I would sabotage this blasphemy!

Rockntractor
08-06-2010, 12:26 AM
You know all this equivicating is funny from Americans, We are Americans , right!?
You want a Shinto shrine at Pearl harbor? Can we put up a tribute to atomic sciences at Hiroshima, Nagasaki!? Why can't common sense come into play? A moske(sic) at ground zero or even 4 blocks away is a punch in the face. Do you like toi get punched in the face?

I might be in florida, but I lost friends in the towers. If I still lived in NY I would sabotage this blasphemy!

Now it's up to the unions, if they refuse to build it, it won't go up. If I was a building code inspector i would also be a thorn in their side. they may have a right to build it but it is time for new yorkers to stop making it easy for them.

patriot45
08-06-2010, 12:32 AM
Now it's up to the unions, if they refuse to build it, it won't go up. If I was a building code inspector i would also be a thorn in their side. they may have a right to build it but it is time for new yorkers to stop making it easy for them.

That is a laugh! They have a right to build it!!! Half the morons here will say they have the right to do what the want! Yeah! Let us let them show us that they won! I like it. We should always give in to the enemy! DU/LIB/asshole/ moron mode off!

Rockntractor
08-06-2010, 12:39 AM
That is a laugh! They have a right to build it!!! Half the morons here will say they have the right to do what the want! Yeah! Let us let them show us that they won! I like it. We should always give in to the enemy! DU/LIB/asshole/ moron mode off!

I'm saying the government has given them that right. The mayor won't be out there building it and everything that gets built in New York is done by the unions, It's time they stand up and refuse to do it. The government has given them the go ahead that is not my opinion or wish it is a fact. Sometimes you need a little old fashioned civil disobedience.

patriot45
08-06-2010, 12:42 AM
I'm saying the government has given them that right. The mayor won't be out there building it and everything that gets built in New York is done by the unions, It's time they stand up and refuse to do it. The government has given them the go ahead that is not my opinion or wish it is a fact. Sometimes you need a little old fashioned civil disobedience.

How about saying NO! Would the people...Us be behind that, well yes, hell yes!
Unions do what the 0 says,

Rockntractor
08-06-2010, 12:46 AM
How about saying NO! Would the people...Us be behind that, well yes, hell yes!
Unions do what the 0 says,
We can say no all we want, it is up to New Yorkers now. What do you think they will do?

Rockntractor
08-06-2010, 12:51 AM
I heard a lot of real touching stuff come out of New York after 9/11 but since then on every election day they continue to overwhelmingly vote in more anti-war touchy feely tolerant liberals. I don't know what to think at this point other than you make your bed, you lie in it.

patriot45
08-06-2010, 12:53 AM
We can say no all we want, it is up to New Yorkers now. What do you think they will do?

Well, everyone I talk to dont want it, they dont want it real bad. [B]ut the ruling class.... bloomburg really thinks this is a neat thing.
Bring back Rudy!

patriot45
08-06-2010, 12:57 AM
I heard a lot of real touching stuff come out of New York after 9/11 but since then on every election day they continue to overwhelmingly vote in more anti-war touchy feely tolerant liberals. I don't know what to think at this point other than you make your bed, you lie in it.

Fuck it Rock. If we let this happen it will be like...can you fuck us up some more so we can cave in some more.

Rockntractor
08-06-2010, 01:00 AM
Fuck it Rock. If we let this happen it will be like...can you fuck us up some more so we can cave in some more.
Oh it won't stop here, it will be like France before it is over with young Muslims rioting at night flipping over cars because they don't think they have enough rights. The cities are turning into liberal cesspools, our only hope is rural America.

patriot45
08-06-2010, 01:06 AM
Oh it won't stop here, it will be like France before it is over with young Muslims rioting at night flipping over cars because they don't think they have enough rights. The cities are turning into liberal cesspools, our only hope is rural America.

I'm saving one gun!

Hawkgirl
08-06-2010, 06:07 PM
We can say no all we want, it is up to New Yorkers now. What do you think they will do?


I don't think they'll do it.....the firefighters union will work with the Teamster's construction unions and red tape the whole project. As a former New Yorker...I pray they stall this project forever.

Rockntractor
08-06-2010, 06:10 PM
I don't think they'll do it.....the firefighters union will work with the Teamster's construction unions red tape the whole project. As a former New Yorker...I pray they stall this project forever.
I hope you are right, I would love to have my confidence in them restored.

namvet
08-06-2010, 06:37 PM
We can say no all we want, it is up to New Yorkers now. What do you think they will do?


What do you think they will do?

learn or burn

Odysseus
08-06-2010, 09:39 PM
We can say no all we want, it is up to New Yorkers now. What do you think they will do?

I think that Iowahawk nailed it:


Undocumented Imam's Refusal to Perform Interracial Gay Handicapped Wedding Leads to Charges of Racism

NEW YORK - Charges of racism, sexism, and religious discrimination filled the air this afternoon outside the just-completed Cordoba House, the gleaming new $100 million 15 story mosque and Islamic cultural center near the ruins of New York's World Trade Center, following a tense 5-hour standoff prompted by the mosque's refusal to host a wedding between a lesbian African-American woman and her blind white transgendered partner.

Over 200 NYPD officers and multicultural crisis counselors were bused to the site to quell the simmering 17-way tensions between Muslim, Black, LGBT, immigrant, disabled, and lawsuit community activists. The scene was punctuated by outbursts of pushing and shoving, including a brief confused intramural scuffle among members of Reverend Louis Farrakan's Nation of Islam, but the only serious injuries reported was a hernia suffered by a legal aide distributing plaintiff's briefs. The incident resulted in one arrest, a 7-year old girl who was seen operating a lemonade stand without a permit.

According to witnesses, the standoff began at 11 AM EDT when Eleanor Davis, 38, and her partner Mary Markowicz, 43, entered Cordoba House and requested the use of the mosque for a wedding ceremony. They were escorted from the building, but quickly returned with a 9th District Court of Appeals injunction ordering the mosque's Imam to perform the ceremony, citing the US Supreme Court's Kelo and Proposition 8 decisions. They were barred at the door by security guards who countered with their own injunction citing First Amendment religious protections.

Following the incident, Davis, who is African-American, called a press conference on the sidewalk in front of the Cordoba House to complain of racial and gender discrimination. She was eventually shoved from the podium by Abdul Mohammed-Haq, the Mosque's controversial Yemeni Imam who is currently battling a federal deportation case against the ICE, who countered with complaints of profiling discrimination by Davis and Markowicz. Within minutes the streets in front of the center were filled with chanting protesters from the Gay, Muslim, Black and handicapped communities. A disaster was narrowly averted when the Reverend Al Sharpton's limousine rammed a parked EMS ambulance before it could careen through the crowd.

Amid the growing crisis, New York mayor Michael Bloomberg ordered a SWAT team of negotiators from the city's Multicultural Affairs Office parachuted to the scene. A brief truce was reached when negotiators pointed out to the Imam Markowicz's status as a pre-op transexual, obviating his religious objections to performing a same-sex marriage. But tensions erupted again after Markowicz - who is legally blind - tried to enter the mosque with a seeing-eye guide dog.

Multicultural Paratroopers eventually persuaded Markowicz to leave his/her dog outside the mosque during the ceremony. Cordoba House officials reluctantly agreed to allow the couple inside for continued negotiations, but a brief melee ensued after Markowicz lit a marijuana cigarette in the lobby. Mohammed-Haq angrily demanded that police arrest him/her for violating New York's anti-smoking ordinance, but Markowicz quickly produced a prescription for medical marijuana for his/her glaucoma condition. In turn, he/she demanded police arrest Mohammed-Haq for violating the National Health Care Access Act, and for failure to post braille No Smoking signs. The angry Imam was restrained by police before he could unsheathe his scimitar, and lodged a complaint against Davis and Markowicz for violating New York's official Immigration Sanctuary Act.

As the center lobby filled with police, community leaders and lawyers, filing charges and counter-charges, a near-riot erupted outside when wedding reception catering trucks began arriving from Porky's 34th Street Barbecue and Midtown Liquors.

By late afternoon, federal, state, city, and borough courts reported over 1400 lawsuits filed related to the incident. Mayoral Spokesperson Karen Sternthal said that Bloomberg would be seeking emergency federal funding for an Appelate Judge troop surge to cope with the load, but expressed hopes that a "peaceful, mutually agreeable, transfat-free resolution" could be worked out between all parties.

"The good news is that this will be all worked out right here in New York," noted Sternthal. "And there's no other place this open minded."