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Satanicus
08-18-2010, 11:25 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B20OL20091203

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html

http://www.drudge.com/archive/125514/poll-65-favor-public-option

Here we are , a vast majority of Americans want a public option.

Discuss:

obx
08-18-2010, 11:29 AM
All of these links were from last year. I believe the opinion may have changed now that people have found out the bill was bullshit.
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NJCardFan
08-18-2010, 11:31 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B20OL20091203

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html

http://www.drudge.com/archive/125514/poll-65-favor-public-option

Here we are , a vast majority of Americans want a public option.

Discuss:

Um, numbnuts, please give me the definition of option before I school you again on this subject. I'll gladly wait. This is my day off so I have all day.

Satanicus
08-18-2010, 11:32 AM
Cry all you want , the fact remains , a vast majority want the PO

Satanicus
08-18-2010, 11:33 AM
Um, numbnuts, please give me the definition of option before I school you again on this subject. I'll gladly wait. This is my day off so I have all day.

We just debated the HCR for a year , if you still don't know what the definition of the PO is ... then you can't be helped, sorry.

NJCardFan
08-18-2010, 11:34 AM
Cry all you want , the fact remains , a vast majority want the PO

Answer the fucking question I asked fuckface. If you aren't, then shut the fuck up.

obx
08-18-2010, 11:35 AM
You do know opinion and option are different words, right?
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NJCardFan
08-18-2010, 11:35 AM
We just debated the HCR for a year , if you still don't know what the definition of the PO is ... then you can't be helped, sorry.

I can't be helped? Since you don't know the definition of option when you can't be helped, asshole. But since you're too chicken to debate me on it, I'm going to give you a break this one time.

Satanicus
08-18-2010, 11:36 AM
You do know opinion and option are different words, right?

The only times OPINION is typed in this thread is the two times YOU POSTED IT.

Jeeesh, do YOU know the difference ?

Satanicus
08-18-2010, 11:37 AM
I can't be helped? Since you don't know the definition of option when you can't be helped, asshole. But since you're too chicken to debate me on it, I'm going to give you a break this one time.

Really ? ... The PO was defined and debated , did you miss that part ? How can it be that someone STILL doeswn't know what the PO is , yet they think they are ready to debate the PO ?

obx
08-18-2010, 11:41 AM
I just want to make sure you know what you are talking about. I don't doubt all of your posts. For example, you called Obama a terriorist and a socialist. We are in agreement on this. Thanks for seeing our side in this debate.
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djones520
08-18-2010, 11:44 AM
Edited the thread title to make it more representative.

I did a pretty extensive check, and couldn't find any 2010 polls.

obx
08-18-2010, 11:46 AM
Oh yes, you also called him a marxist, facist and a muslim. I did not want you to think I had misquoted you.
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Apache
08-18-2010, 12:26 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B20OL20091203

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html

http://www.drudge.com/archive/125514/poll-65-favor-public-option

Here we are , a vast majority of Americans want a public option.

Discuss:

Discuss what? People, the VAST majority DO NOT WANT the public option. They don't want some faceless entity telling them what they can eat, when they can sleep or where they can go. You pull out year old articles and parade them around as if they are the truth. You, sir, are hopeless...

ralph wiggum
08-18-2010, 12:51 PM
Edited the thread title to make it more representative.

I did a pretty extensive check, and couldn't find any 2010 polls.

Good idea.

And I'm the one who moved it to Stupid Liberal Tricks.

Nubs
08-18-2010, 12:54 PM
A vast majority do not want Obamacare. Since PO is predicated upon Obamacare, it can be concluded that a vast majority do not want PO.

djones520
08-18-2010, 12:54 PM
What constitutes a "vast" majority anyways? Only one poll I remember seeing having anything in the 70%. Most others had it in the high 50's. I wouldn't call that a "vast" anything.

Gingersnap
08-18-2010, 01:49 PM
Life is too short to fisk all of Satan Pants' links but just to discuss the old NYT poll results he posted: the public option discussed in the poll was compared to the Medicare. In that same exact poll when people were asked if they understood the administration's health care plan - the overwhelming majority said, "No". When they were asked if they were happy with their current health insurance, the overwhelming majority said, "Yes".

The poll did not discuss the then (and maybe now) proposal which would demand that people use the exchanges to purchase new policies whenever anything changed in their current grandfathered policy once the law goes into effect. Neither did the poll ask the people if they seriously thought that affordable private insurance could survive on an even footing with a government subsidized program that has severe limitations on liability.

Also, fewer and fewer doctors are adding Medicare patients to their practices because the reimbursement rates are so low and the paperwork is so huge.

NJCardFan
08-18-2010, 02:31 PM
Really ? ... The PO was defined and debated , did you miss that part ? How can it be that someone STILL doeswn't know what the PO is , yet they think they are ready to debate the PO ?

Answer the fucking question. What is the definition of the word option? Just answer it. Stop dancing around it and answer it. Once you answer it then we can move on and discuss this intelligently.

Articulate_Ape
08-18-2010, 05:45 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B20OL20091203

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html

http://www.drudge.com/archive/125514/poll-65-favor-public-option

Here we are , a vast majority of Americans want a public option.

Discuss:


The vast majority of Americans think Obama and his Marxist cronies in Congress are taking this country in the wrong direction (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html). That's a fact, jackoff.

malloc
08-18-2010, 05:50 PM
Life is too short to fisk all of Satan Pants' links but just to discuss the old NYT poll results he posted: the public option discussed in the poll was compared to the Medicare. In that same exact poll when people were asked if they understood the administration's health care plan - the overwhelming majority said, "No". When they were asked if they were happy with their current health insurance, the overwhelming majority said, "Yes".

The poll did not discuss the then (and maybe now) proposal which would demand that people use the exchanges to purchase new policies whenever anything changed in their current grandfathered policy once the law goes into effect. Neither did the poll ask the people if they seriously thought that affordable private insurance could survive on an even footing with a government subsidized program that has severe limitations on liability.

Also, fewer and fewer doctors are adding Medicare patients to their practices because the reimbursement rates are so low and the paperwork is so huge.

Exactly. The poll was relative to the then current situation in government managed care. The poll should have asked if respondent's wished for government run care, or private care. I'm certain the results would have been vastly different. Overwhelmingly, Americans have little faith in government, they always have and probably always will. America was founded on distrust of government, and rightly so.

Troll
08-18-2010, 08:18 PM
I think it's a great idea. In fact, I think these people should be allowed to pool their money and resources and fund as many programs as they wish. Best of luck to them.

Rockntractor
08-18-2010, 08:26 PM
I think it's a great idea. In fact, I think these people should be allowed to pool their money and resources
Isn't that called insurance?:confused:

Zathras
08-18-2010, 08:27 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B20OL20091203

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html

http://www.drudge.com/archive/125514/poll-65-favor-public-option

Here we are , a vast majority of Americans want a public option.

Discuss:

So 3047 people are now the "Vast Majority of Americans"? To say that these polls represent a vast majority of Americans is idiotic at best, and a downright lie at worse. But please Stupidicus, keep trying to spin it that way. You're providing great entertainment with your idiocy.

Gingersnap
08-18-2010, 09:00 PM
Here's an interesting fact: HMOs rank just above Congress as a hated/mistrusted institution. Now, why is that? I've been a happy member of an HMO for years.

Why are they so hated?

A. Must go through your GP for any referrals, no matter how obvious.

B. HMOs demand health monitoring. You must show up for routine tests/evaluations every year whether you like it or not or your Doc can more or less "fire" you.

C. HMOs spend a huge amount of time on preventative health care: no smoking (higher premiums/closed elective surgery options), no fatness (mandatory weight checks/lectures), no booze/drugs (more lectures/mandatory rehab/higher premiums), constant nagging about exercise and diet.

D. No "alternative" treatments outside of California (in my plan).

E. Go with the generic versus the branded drug, if available.

F. Extremely high co-payments for ultimately "fake" ER visits to non-plan hospitals. High co-payments for legitimate ER/ambulance services in in-plan hospitals. (My husband refused to take an ambulance to the ER for a heart problem once for this very reason. He figured we'd get there just as fast and he'd get priority treatment with his symptoms anyway. He was right.)

G. Recoveries are "expedited". Short of a spinal-replacement, you're out of there in 3 days.

H. Most one-on-one doctoring time is performed by PAs, RNs or specialized therapists. Your Doc face-time amounts to about 7 minutes.

Now, I'm all for this. I'm healthy as a horse and when I require specialized, "alternative" care, I can afford to go outside the HMO. I look at them as my disaster plan: car wreck, cancer, face-transplant...whatever.

Most people don't like this. They don't like to be weighed and lectured or forcibly enrolled in " educational groups". They don't like having to meet clinical "goals" for the Doc every few months. They don't like being shuffled off the minute they aren't bleeding out.

If people hate HMOs so much, how much more will they hate Obamacare which is even leaner and meaner. :confused:

Zathras
08-19-2010, 02:40 AM
Cry all you want , the fact remains , a vast majority want the PO

Yeah, the vast majority OF THE PEOPLE POLLED want the public option, not the vast majority of Americans.

Zathras
08-19-2010, 02:42 AM
Really ? ... The PO was defined and debated , did you miss that part ? How can it be that someone STILL doeswn't know what the PO is , yet they think they are ready to debate the PO ?

At least he's smarter than the idiot that thinks 3047 people are the vast majority of Americans.

Constitutionally Speaking
08-19-2010, 07:35 AM
Cry all you want , the fact remains , a vast majority want the PO

The option part is not really designed to be an option. Go listen to your socialist masters that are in power. They have said exactly that. many times.

There will be no "option".

Wei Wu Wei
08-19-2010, 01:55 PM
Exactly. The poll was relative to the then current situation in government managed care. The poll should have asked if respondent's wished for government run care, or private care. I'm certain the results would have been vastly different. Overwhelmingly, Americans have little faith in government, they always have and probably always will. America was founded on distrust of government, and rightly so.

Of course the results would have been different you tool, that's because it's a totally different and irrevelent question. The debate was NEVER about choosing between government run "candian style" care OR private care. This is how radio entertainers rodeo-clowned the issue up and some morons actually believed it. A public option was to be one government-run plan as well as several private options bundled together in such a way that large pools of individuals can negotiate for lower rates and premiums.

It would have meant cheaper private plans and also public plans for those who wanted them or couldn't afford the private ones.

Of course by asking the wrong questions you can get any sort of responses you want, it's just so sad that there are people dumb enough to never question anything they believe.

djones520
08-19-2010, 02:35 PM
Of course the results would have been different you tool, that's because it's a totally different and irrevelent question. The debate was NEVER about choosing between government run "candian style" care OR private care. This is how radio entertainers rodeo-clowned the issue up and some morons actually believed it. A public option was to be one government-run plan as well as several private options bundled together in such a way that large pools of individuals can negotiate for lower rates and premiums.

It would have meant cheaper private plans and also public plans for those who wanted them or couldn't afford the private ones.

Of course by asking the wrong questions you can get any sort of responses you want, it's just so sad that there are people dumb enough to never question anything they believe.

And were would it have ended up? If people are going to be getting taxed to provide for it, then why bother continuing to pay for their own health insurance. A "public option" would kill most private insurers and leave the government plan the only major source for it.

That is why they want the public option there, instead of just making it flat out. Let the system destroy private insurance and get everyone on the government roll then. :rolleyes:

Satanicus
08-22-2010, 12:04 PM
The results are in.

the reason why the 6 polls I posted are wrong is ....

Those polls are wrong because the people are confused

Yep, thats right , all those polls are wrong , because the people are confused , thats the only argument given.

This is for real , you idiots reject those polls because the "people are confused"

Jeeesh , thats a pretty strong argument .. LOL , thanks for the laugh idiots.

Satanicus
08-22-2010, 12:06 PM
And I also learned it was Obama who bailed out the banks , and decided to start the bailout of the Auto industry.

How stupid are you guys ? ...this is recent history

Rockntractor
08-22-2010, 12:19 PM
And I also learned it was Obama who bailed out the banks , and decided to start the bailout of the Auto industry.

How stupid are you guys ? ...this is recent history

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warpig
08-22-2010, 01:28 PM
There has been nothing come out of Congress that LOWERS healthcare costs. They have only offered to pay the bill for you.

Troll
08-22-2010, 02:14 PM
A public option was to be one government-run plan as well as several private options bundled together in such a way that large pools of individuals can negotiate for lower rates and premiums.

It would have meant cheaper private plans and also public plans for those who wanted them or couldn't afford the private ones.

Where was the funding for the public 'option' going to come from?

NJCardFan
08-22-2010, 11:57 PM
I'm still waiting for the definition of option.

PoliCon
08-23-2010, 10:46 AM
And I also learned it was Obama who bailed out the banks , and decided to start the bailout of the Auto industry.

How stupid are you guys ? ...this is recent history


Are you going to claim that Obama - as a member of congress - didn't support the bill - passed by congress - to bail out the banks?

NJCardFan
08-23-2010, 11:50 AM
Are you going to claim that Obama - as a member of congress - didn't support the bill - passed by congress - to bail out the banks?
He probably voted 'present'.

And I'm still waiting for the definition of option from Stupidicus. I think I'm going to respond to every one of his posts this way.