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Apocalypse
08-19-2010, 09:25 PM
[Obama] is a walking radioactive disaster,

When senior Democratic operatives say that about their parties leader, the situation is grim indeed!

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/08/how_to_lose_a_g.php

Worst of all, Pres G.W. Bush is 6 points more popular then obama right now in Democratic held districts!

Leaves one to ask, will he even see the end of his first term, or run from his own failure.

Odysseus
08-19-2010, 10:14 PM
When senior Democratic operatives say that about their parties leader, the situation is grim indeed!

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/08/how_to_lose_a_g.php

Worst of all, Pres G.W. Bush is 6 points more popular then obama right now in Democratic held districts!

Leaves one to ask, will he even see the end of his first term, or run from his own failure.

Obama is either so clueless that he doesn't realize that he's already a failed president, or he's deliberately set out to accomplish the deliberate collapse of America as a major military, political and financial power, in which case, he sees himself as on the correct course. At this point, I can't tell which motive he's acting under, as it's hard to tell the difference between the incompetence and malice of the left.

Chuck58
08-20-2010, 04:25 PM
I think it's a combination. He's a failure and can't see it, and I also think he's following an agenda to bring down this country.

His failure is, he pushed too hard too quickly. Still, that could have been part of the plan. Get as much as possible done before the people woke up.

Either way, as it stands right now, come November his agenda is over - unless they ram through the rest of it during the intervening months until the new Congress takes over. I don't remember it ever being done, but I don't remember anything as catastrophic as the last year and a half either.

Apocalypse
08-20-2010, 04:45 PM
I think it's a combination. He's a failure and can't see it, and I also think he's following an agenda to bring down this country.

His failure is, he pushed too hard too quickly. Still, that could have been part of the plan. Get as much as possible done before the people woke up.

Either way, as it stands right now, come November his agenda is over - unless they ram through the rest of it during the intervening months until the new Congress takes over. I don't remember it ever being done, but I don't remember anything as catastrophic as the last year and a half either.He knew he had to push hard and fast, his majority would only last for two years, and he wanted to accomplish all their less favorable policies before they would be challenged.

In a way I look forward to retaking congress. But seeing what is taking effect come next year, kinda want Dems to hold both houses a bit longer as they will blame it all on the GOP, thou they were the ones to push all this on us.

Arroyo_Doble
08-20-2010, 05:01 PM
He hasn't hit Reagan first term lows in popularity (or unemployment high numbers) yet and Reagan got the assassination attempt bounce.

malloc
08-20-2010, 05:16 PM
He hasn't hit Reagan first term lows in popularity (or unemployment high numbers) yet and Reagan got the assassination attempt bounce.

That's OK, he's just getting started.

namvet
08-20-2010, 05:30 PM
and he doesn't glow in the dark anymore

Hawkgirl
08-20-2010, 06:14 PM
Dems to hold both houses a bit longer as they will blame it all on the GOP, thou they were the ones to push all this on us.


I doubt that tactic will work, americans know the dems own the presidency and legislative branch of government...most americans are not that stupid.

Apocalypse
08-20-2010, 10:25 PM
I doubt that tactic will work, americans know the dems own the presidency and legislative branch of government...most americans are not that stupid.

When the higher taxes hit, and the econ. goes into the crapper big time, the Dems will be screaming "Its all the GOP's Fault!", screaming that "They" held off the downward slid, and it only got worse when the GOP "Who Caused it Under Bush" made it get worse once back in power.

In addition, most Americans blame the party in power, right or wrong, as it took place under "Their" watch.

Odysseus
08-21-2010, 09:35 PM
When the higher taxes hit, and the econ. goes into the crapper big time, the Dems will be screaming "Its all the GOP's Fault!", screaming that "They" held off the downward slid, and it only got worse when the GOP "Who Caused it Under Bush" made it get worse once back in power.

In addition, most Americans blame the party in power, right or wrong, as it took place under "Their" watch.

And a few years ago, that would've worked, but what will happen is the GOP will attempt to mitigate the disasters by cutting taxes and spending, and Obama will veto every measure. The Democrats won't be able to spin the GOP as being at fault, because they won't have been allowed to act. The theme for 2012 will be to eliminate the obstructionist administration and put America back to work.

djones520
08-22-2010, 04:54 AM
He hasn't hit Reagan first term lows in popularity (or unemployment high numbers) yet and Reagan got the assassination attempt bounce.

So your saying someone needs to take a shot at Obama? :eek:

I kid, I kid.

Reagan's policies actually got the economy to turn around though. Obama is running in the exact opposite direction.

m00
08-22-2010, 05:03 AM
He hasn't hit Reagan first term lows in popularity (or unemployment high numbers) yet and Reagan got the assassination attempt bounce.

I think it's very possible Obama picks up a second term. I think the Reagan landslide owes much to the fact Democrats picked someone so closely associated with the Carter presidency. There was also the specter of the Cold War and Reagan had always been anti-Communist. I think it somewhat likely actually that Republicans end up nominating someone so out-of-touch with Americans that Obama gets elected as "the evil you know."

djones520
08-22-2010, 05:05 AM
I think it's very possible Obama picks up a second term. I think the Reagan landslide owes much to the fact Democrats picked someone so closely associated with the Carter presidency. There was also the specter of the Cold War and Reagan had always been anti-Communist. I think it somewhat likely actually that Republicans end up nominating someone so out-of-touch with Americans that Obama gets elected as "the evil you know."

I would say that would be the most likely cause IF he gets reelected. I seriously doubt he's going to be a strong option though. Even he has tossed out the occasional remark that he won't be around for a 2nd term.

lacarnut
08-22-2010, 06:10 AM
I think it's very possible Obama picks up a second term. I think the Reagan landslide owes much to the fact Democrats picked someone so closely associated with the Carter presidency. There was also the specter of the Cold War and Reagan had always been anti-Communist. I think it somewhat likely actually that Republicans end up nominating someone so out-of-touch with Americans that Obama gets elected as "the evil you know."

If unemployment and economy is in the dumps, he will not be reelected. I don't see him even trying to do that. Bullshit will only get him so far. He is hell bent on turning this country into a socialistic type EU political and economic model. Re distribution, government intervention and union advancement are his goals.

My opinion is that he does care if he gets reelected as long as he accomplishes his agenda. He wants to remembered as a FDR and LBJ al rolled into one.

Odysseus
08-22-2010, 02:19 PM
I think it's very possible Obama picks up a second term. I think the Reagan landslide owes much to the fact Democrats picked someone so closely associated with the Carter presidency. There was also the specter of the Cold War and Reagan had always been anti-Communist. I think it somewhat likely actually that Republicans end up nominating someone so out-of-touch with Americans that Obama gets elected as "the evil you know."
The Reagan landslide was won against Carter. In this case, Obama is Carter, but without Watergate to suppress Republican support during the midterms. Unless Obama demonstrates a lot more political savvy than he has, he's a one term president, and a discredited one.

Apocalypse
08-22-2010, 02:33 PM
The Reagan landslide was won against Carter. In this case, Obama is Carter, but without Watergate to suppress Republican support during the midterms. Unless Obama demonstrates a lot more political savvy than he has, he's a one term president, and a discredited one.

I'm not going to rule out a second term for him yet. Its looking very bad, and not getting better, but I won't rule it out yet.

If the situation in Iraq continues to improve, and all troops are recalled. This will help him, regardless of much of it being thanks to Bush.

If some how Petraeus turns the situation around in Afgan. in the next year and a half. Obama will look much better.

If some how the Econ makes a massive rebound. Then a second term is almost a shoe-in.

If the GOP runs another McCain style candidate, then he could win a second term.

There are always things that could happen and help him win a second term. So we can't say never.

Chuck58
08-22-2010, 02:53 PM
I'm not going to rule out a second term for him yet. Its looking very bad, and not getting better, but I won't rule it out yet.

If the situation in Iraq continues to improve, and all troops are recalled. This will help him, regardless of much of it being thanks to Bush.

If some how Petraeus turns the situation around in Afgan. in the next year and a half. Obama will look much better.

If some how the Econ makes a massive rebound. Then a second term is almost a shoe-in.

If the GOP runs another McCain style candidate, then he could win a second term.

There are always things that could happen and help him win a second term. So we can't say never.

If the Bush tax cuts aren't extended, I don't think there's a prayer of an economic rebound. I can see the economy take a nosedive that will make the last year or so look inviting.

lacarnut
08-22-2010, 02:59 PM
The Reagan landslide was won against Carter. In this case, Obama is Carter, but without Watergate to suppress Republican support during the midterms. Unless Obama demonstrates a lot more political savvy than he has, he's a one term president, and a discredited one.

I don't think he cares if he is a one term President as long as he can cram thru his socialistic policies. If the economy and unemployment is down in the dumps, he may pull a cowardly move and decide not to run. I look for Hillary to jump ship and start campaigning next year.

lacarnut
08-22-2010, 03:13 PM
If the Bush tax cuts aren't extended, I don't think there's a prayer of an economic rebound. I can see the economy take a nosedive that will make the last year or so look inviting.

That is true. However, the Bush tax cuts being extended are not going to entice business to start hiring. There is just so much uncertainty that the Democrats and Obama have caused with the Health care bill, threat of a Cap and Tax and new taxes & regulations out the yang, yang, etc. Did you know that starting in 2012 that any retail purchase over $600 will require them to fill out a 1099 on you? In other words, Uncle Sam will have a record of all purchases you make over that amount. That will make the cost of doing business that much greater. Stupid shit like this is what is causing business to remain on the sidelines and not hire. I will be damned if I am going to give some $7 an hour clerk my correct Social Security number.

Chuck58
08-22-2010, 03:42 PM
That is true. However, the Bush tax cuts being extended are not going to entice business to start hiring. There is just so much uncertainty that the Democrats and Obama have caused with the Health care bill, threat of a Cap and Tax and new taxes & regulations out the yang, yang, etc. Did you know that starting in 2012 that any retail purchase over $600 will require them to fill out a 1099 on you? In other words, Uncle Sam will have a record of all purchases you make over that amount. That will make the cost of doing business that much greater. Stupid shit like this is what is causing business to remain on the sidelines and not hire. I will be damned if I am going to give some $7 an hour clerk my correct Social Security number.

I never heard about that!

Where the hell did that idiocy originate? Hmm, dumb question.

I meant in which bill? I swear to God, if the Founders were ever to return, they'd wonder what has happened to the country they gave us. Or, more to the point, what's happened to the American people that they allow such things.

Apocalypse
08-22-2010, 05:57 PM
That is true. However, the Bush tax cuts being extended are not going to entice business to start hiring. There is just so much uncertainty that the Democrats and Obama have caused with the Health care bill, threat of a Cap and Tax and new taxes & regulations out the yang, yang, etc. Did you know that starting in 2012 that any retail purchase over $600 will require them to fill out a 1099 on you? In other words, Uncle Sam will have a record of all purchases you make over that amount. That will make the cost of doing business that much greater. Stupid shit like this is what is causing business to remain on the sidelines and not hire. I will be damned if I am going to give some $7 an hour clerk my correct Social Security number.

Partially correct.

A small section hidden away in the 2,409-page bill requires all businesses to send 1099 tax forms to every company or individual from which they purchased more than $600 in services and goods throughout the tax year, beginning on January 1, 2012.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/smallbusiness/1099_health_care_tax_change/index.htm

Still, it will only cause massive amounts of worthless paper work that will hinder businesses.

Jfor
08-22-2010, 06:11 PM
I never heard about that!

Where the hell did that idiocy originate? Hmm, dumb question.

I meant in which bill? I swear to God, if the Founders were ever to return, they'd wonder what has happened to the country they gave us. Or, more to the point, what's happened to the American people that they allow such things.

The Obamacare bill.

Odysseus
08-22-2010, 07:22 PM
I'm not going to rule out a second term for him yet. Its looking very bad, and not getting better, but I won't rule it out yet.

If the situation in Iraq continues to improve, and all troops are recalled. This will help him, regardless of much of it being thanks to Bush.

If some how Petraeus turns the situation around in Afgan. in the next year and a half. Obama will look much better.

If some how the Econ makes a massive rebound. Then a second term is almost a shoe-in.

If the GOP runs another McCain style candidate, then he could win a second term.

There are always things that could happen and help him win a second term. So we can't say never.
But Iraq will not improve. Iran and Saudi Arabia will now compete to control the country, with both states financing their proxies to attack each other, and without US troops to act as an honest broker, trust will break down as sectarian violence increases. Obama will be known for having snatched defeat from the jaws of Bush's victory. Afghanistan will continue to erode, for many of the same reasons, plus the timeline gives the Taliban and al Qaeda hope that they didn't have against Bush. The economy will not improve, but will continue to decline. The uncertainty that Obama creates will continue to impede growth, as investors sit on cash.

Partially correct.

A small section hidden away in the 2,409-page bill requires all businesses to send 1099 tax forms to every company or individual from which they purchased more than $600 in services and goods throughout the tax year, beginning on January 1, 2012.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/smallbusiness/1099_health_care_tax_change/index.htm

Still, it will only cause massive amounts of worthless paper work that will hinder businesses.
That, and reduce all manner of economic activity, as the Feds increase their scrutiny of every petty transaction that they can find. Increased scrutiny means increased interference and more uncertainty.

m00
08-22-2010, 07:34 PM
Obama will be known for having snatched defeat from the jaws of Bush's victory.

I exactly wouldn't call either campaign "victorious" when Bush left office. As a country, I don't think we were willing to commit the resources necessary to cram secular democracy down their throats, as much as they need it. I think we would also need electric cars powered by nuclear plants to take the funding away from extremist Islam. :p

lacarnut
08-22-2010, 08:02 PM
Partially correct.

A small section hidden away in the 2,409-page bill requires all businesses to send 1099 tax forms to every company or individual from which they purchased more than $600 in services and goods throughout the tax year, beginning on January 1, 2012.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/smallbusiness/1099_health_care_tax_change/index.htm

Still, it will only cause massive amounts of worthless paper work that will hinder businesses.

This will be a nightmare for a coin shop that buys and sells coins. If I sell a coin to my local coin shop for a thousand bucks, they will have to report that purchase to the government. Is that correct? That also flies in the face of a statute that exempts reporting the sale of Golden Eagle coins at any amount.