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djones520
08-20-2010, 10:19 AM
Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-20-10 09:29 AM
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We're not going to reach our goal this fund drive. Let's talk.
So, it's now Friday, and as I post this we haven't even reached 600 donations yet. Unless we experience some kind of miraculous and unprecedented turn-around, we aren't going to reach our goal of 1000 donations by Sunday night. But before you stop reading, the point of this post is not to beg you to dig deep and donate and put us over the top. On the contrary, the point of this post is to tell you this:

Message received.

You don't like what DU has become. Maybe you have very specific complaints, or maybe you don't really know exactly what it is that you don't like. But what you do know is that you wish it was more like the old DU. A community. A place that was special. Where we had big disagreements, but at least you felt like we all had something in common.

Yeah, I miss that DU, too.

I miss it so much that it makes my heart ache. I lie awake at night agonizing over it. I can barely bring myself to read my email anymore. I'm burned out and tired.

We (the DU Admins) knew that having a Democratic Administration would make things a lot more complicated and difficult here on DU, but I don't think we really had any clue how difficult it would be. I know that many of you believe the solution is simple. I know this because you send me scolding shame-on-you emails demanding that I do {whatever} and then DU would be better. I wish I shared your certainty.

We have been very cautious and deliberate in our attempts to improve the way we run DU, and I think -- especially on the moderator-side -- we have made a lot of very important progress. But the whole effort has the feeling of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Our approach has been to "do what we've always been doing, only better," but I am starting to think that much more radical change is necessary.

Here's the problem in a nutshell: Back when Bush was President, he represented the center of gravity in politics -- the focal point that determined "Which side are you on?" -- and everyone on DU actually was on the same side. Now that Barack Obama is President, he has become the center of gravity. I think it's clear that we still broadly agree on the issues, but we disagree on how best to get there, how long it should take, and how much compromise we are willing to accept. Those are the disagreements that matter now. To be blunt, we are not all on the same side anymore.

Imagine if during the Bush Administration, Democratic Underground had welcomed people who thought the president was doing a bad job, *and* people who thought the president was doing a good job. DU would have sucked. Sure, it might have been worth the effort to stop by every once in a while to argue with conservative idiots, but nobody would have felt like DU was their home, their safe-haven, their community.

This is the situation we face. Nobody is "safe" anymore. DU doesn't "belong" to anyone. We all want this to feel like a community, but we have two fairly large groups of people who each seem to believe that they are the rightful heirs to this community, and that the other side doesn't even have a legitimate claim to be here.

And here I am, grasping to the naive and outdated hope -- against all the available evidence -- that maybe we can all figure out a way to share DU.

I could "solve" our problems pretty easily by picking a side. If I did that, at least the people who would remain here would know that they own DU. They would know that they have a home and a safe haven again. And they would take comfort from knowing (finally) that the DU Admins are on their side, rather than cold, distant, unpredictable creatures whose allegiances are not entirely clear and who could turn on them at any moment.

But I am not prepared to give DU to either side. I see all the people who are still here (thank you for still being here, by the way, despite everything) -- some posting and some, sadly, only lurking -- and I see the people who built this community. Great people. Generous, big-hearted, smart, interesting people. Some of you might post strange and unpleasant things now -- including some things that cut very deeply -- but I remember what you were like before, and I remember how much I liked you then.

So we keep doing what we're doing. But I harbor this simmering doubt. I feel obligated to censor people, even though I have never liked doing it, and like it even less now than I ever have. I feel obligated to serve as an authority figure to a community of people (including myself) who are naturally skeptical of authority. I feel obligated to keep deleting posts and banning people, even though I know that each time I do it serves as "proof" that I have already picked a side, that I am already hopelessly biased, and that I cannot be trusted. I long to let you all take responsibility for yourselves, to give the community the ability to police itself and set its own limits, but in the past our efforts to do so have been rejected almost every time.

I think it might not be a bad thing that we're not going to reach our goal this fund drive. Perhaps it will provide us with justification to experiment with some really radical changes to this place. The Admins have discussed a lot of ideas, but we honestly don't know what's going to work, or what you all will be willing to accept. I think, to start, we're probably going to post some kind of member survey next week to better understand your attitudes, and get feedback on a bunch of different ideas. I'll be curious to learn if you are willing to try any of them.

Thanks for listening. And thank you for being part of this community.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8981504

I can't believe he had the temerity to actually post this whining drivel about how much better the place is being an echo chamber. Unfuckingreal. :rolleyes:

bijou
08-20-2010, 10:41 AM
Dear Skinner, how to improve DU:
Bring back Ask the Administrator.
Best wishes, bijou

Milly
08-20-2010, 10:55 AM
Pray for a Republican takeover in November so you'll ACTUALLY have something to agree on.

FlaGator
08-20-2010, 10:57 AM
Dear Skinner, how to improve DU:
Bring back Ask the Administrator.
Best wishes, bijou

I really enjoyed when the members had the ability to block other members from posting in theads they had started or from replying to posts. Gosh that was fun!

PoliCon
08-20-2010, 10:59 AM
If he was savvy he'd make a GO Barry! section and a screw Barry section and Neutral ground. You let the screw Barry people rant and rave all they like in their section - the GO Barry people masturbate all they like in their section and you don't let either section have access to the threads/posts in the other section - but allow BOTH to come into a neutral ground section where republicans are still the ebil enemy. SIMPLE. :rolleyes:

FDK
08-20-2010, 11:00 AM
Teh echo chamber is broked. Oh NOES!!! :eek:


Skinner's post merely proves what we already knew. DU and it's members are all about two things: whining and hatred.

Sonnabend
08-20-2010, 06:42 PM
Imagine if during the Bush Administration, Democratic Underground had welcomed people who thought the president was doing a bad job, *and* people who thought the president was doing a good job. DU would have sucked. Sure, it might have been worth the effort to stop by every once in a while to argue with conservative idiots, but nobody would have felt like DU was their home, their safe-haven, their community.

Translation" This is my echo chamber where we walk in lockstep. I aint changing it for anyone.

JB
08-20-2010, 07:14 PM
Teh echo chamber is broked. Oh NOES!!! :eek:

Skinner's post merely proves what we already knew. DU and it's members are all about two things: whining and hatred.We (on CU) saw this coming from a mile away. We knew as soon as the Dems were in charge that place would fall apart.

What would they bitch about? How would they go about it? Will it really be the freedom of speech den they played it up to be? Apparently not. And to that I say...suck it and hahahahahahaha.

Losers.

JB
08-20-2010, 07:19 PM
babsbunny (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-20-10 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #23

1064. I am not happy that our Prez is Bush lite. He isn't Prosecuting
Folks who allowed Torture. And I hate the unrecommend. I think we should start over. And I have no money either. I don't want to be in America anymore. I want to run far from here.Holy Shit. Is that post all over the place or what? :D

Rockntractor
08-20-2010, 07:31 PM
The world does not deserve DU they need to do the right thing for the planet and have a final kool-aid party:cool:!

Lager
08-20-2010, 07:40 PM
This comes under the heading of be careful what you wish for.

The site originally grew to be a place where people could come to moan about what they didn't like in the world, and practice outrage about how the election was stolen from their Guru, Gore . With GWB in the WH, whiners and complainers were in their glory, dissin and dumpin on him and his policies and conservatives in general.

" If only we were in power", they'd declare with fists in the air, "all would be well in the world. "

Lo and behold, there came to pass the election of a liberal President and a democrat controlled House and Senate. But sadly, rainbows did not sprout spontaneously in the heavens and it looks like the socialist utopia is taking its time getting here.

Surprisingly enough, some members of the du came to realize that the whining and complaining they were enjoying so much was, in retrospect, providing them with much more pleasure than observing their standard bearers in the act of actually trying to govern. For in the realm of grown-ups, simplistic ideas of fairness and good intentions aren't enough to change the world. And for most of them, being miserable and unhappy wasn't so bad, as long as you had a place to go where you could be miserable and unhappy with others like you.

SarasotaRepub
08-20-2010, 09:03 PM
This comes under the heading of be careful what you wish for.

The site originally grew to be a place where people could come to moan about what they didn't like in the world, and practice outrage about how the election was stolen from their Guru, Gore . With GWB in the WH, whiners and complainers were in their glory, dissin and dumpin on him and his policies and conservatives in general.

" If only we were in power", they'd declare with fists in the air, "all would be well in the world. "

Lo and behold, there came to pass the election of a liberal President and a democrat controlled House and Senate. But sadly, rainbows did not sprout spontaneously in the heavens and it looks like the socialist utopia is taking its time getting here.

Surprisingly enough, some members of the du came to realize that the whining and complaining they were enjoying so much was, in retrospect, providing them with much more pleasure than observing their standard bearers in the act of actually trying to govern. For in the realm of grown-ups, simplistic ideas of fairness and good intentions aren't enough to change the world. And for most of them, being miserable and unhappy wasn't so bad, as long as you had a place to go where you could be miserable and unhappy with others like you.

Nicely stated. :D

I saw this thread on DU at lunch and just laughed.

Why did Skinner write this lightly disguised begging for $$$???

Well, I certainly don't know for certain, but it may have come down like this...

Skinner: "I lie awake at night agonizing over it. I can barely bring myself to read my email anymore. I'm burned out and tired."

Mrs. Skinner: DAVID!!! Get your lazy liberal ass out of bed and talk to those DU retards!!! The kids need new shoes and if you think I'm giving up my next vacation to Europe, you're fucking crazy! Where was Obama's wife just recently??? SPAIN!!!! I want to go to SPAIN!!! And YOU'RE going to talk those freaks that post on your website to cough up the money. Now go write a fucking convincing enough post to make it happen and I mean NOW!!!

And if you have to fire those two idiots who help you...I really don't care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lager
08-20-2010, 09:20 PM
Mrs. Skinner: DAVID!!! Get your lazy liberal ass out of bed and talk to those DU retards!!! The kids need new shoes and if you think I'm giving up my next vacation to Europe, you're fucking crazy! Where was Obama's wife just recently??? SPAIN!!!! I want to go to SPAIN!!! And YOU'RE going to talk those freaks that post on your website to cough up the money. Now go write a fucking convincing enough post to make it happen and I mean NOW!!!

And if you have to fire those two idiots who help you...I really don't care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's hilarious. :D But probably not far from the truth.

JackKetch
08-20-2010, 09:42 PM
skinner's crying crocodile tears.

i just checked and they've gotten 814 donations. are we really supposed to believe they won't have 1000 by Sunday night? :rolleyes:

my guess is that the donations are a lot smaller than usual, though, and that's what has him worried. there's no minimum donation so people may be giving as little as $5.

BSR
08-20-2010, 10:13 PM
And shit jumps to 828. Well played Skinner, Well Played..

*golf clap*

marv
08-20-2010, 10:36 PM
I wonder what would happen if Skinner charged (taxed) for a membership.........

SarasotaRepub
08-20-2010, 10:44 PM
I wonder what would happen if Skinner charged (taxed) for a membership.........


That's easy...


http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:n1G3-dB2bwCW3M:http://www.drrant.net/uploaded_images/exploding_head-738058.jpg

Lager
08-20-2010, 10:46 PM
And shit jumps to 828. Well played Skinner, Well Played..

*golf clap*

He's a pretty good capitalist, considering the site he runs. :eek:

Rockntractor
08-20-2010, 10:46 PM
And shit jumps to 828. Well played Skinner, Well Played..

*golf clap*

Thank heavens! Now Skinner can buy those shoes he needs for winter.:(

warpig
08-20-2010, 11:10 PM
I miss it so much that it makes my heart ache. I lie awake at night agonizing over it. I can barely bring myself to read my email anymore. I'm burned out and tired.

I got so teary eyed when I read that, I didn't realize that was a spotted owl I plucking for dinner.:(

Kay
08-20-2010, 11:44 PM
I long to let you all take responsibility for yourselves, to give the community the ability to police itself and set its own limits, but in the past our efforts to do so have been rejected almost every time.

When I read this, visions of Nancy Polsie's face mouthing the words came to mind.
Democrat dictators never think the peons are capable of thinking for themselves.

Rockntractor
08-20-2010, 11:47 PM
When I read this, visions of Nancy Polsie's face mouthing the words came to mind.
Democrat dictators never think the peons are capable of thinking for themselves.
But when you see the brain power our Democrat trolls have, maybe they can't think on their own!:confused:

m00
08-21-2010, 10:34 AM
skinner's crying crocodile tears.

i just checked and they've gotten 814 donations. are we really supposed to believe they won't have 1000 by Sunday night? :rolleyes:

my guess is that the donations are a lot smaller than usual, though, and that's what has him worried. there's no minimum donation so people may be giving as little as $5.

That's still 5 grand. :p It probably costs like $100/year to keep the site running.

djones520
08-21-2010, 10:37 AM
That's still 5 grand. :p It probably costs like $100/year to keep the site running.

Totally. Between all the fund raisers, and the advertising money, Skinners sitting on a nice little cashcow that he "cries about at night".

m00
08-21-2010, 10:43 AM
Totally. Between all the fund raisers, and the advertising money, Skinners sitting on a nice little cashcow that he "cries about at night".

Well, I'm sure he's crying now that a Democrat is power he's making less money. I reckon he honestly wanted McCain to win... think about how much more he could milk the users for. "Well, we almost did it last time but those damn repukes stole the election from us!... but if you donate just a little bit more to DU... next election will vote those fascists out!"

djones520
08-21-2010, 10:55 AM
Well, I'm sure he's crying now that a Democrat is power he's making less money. I reckon he honestly wanted McCain to win... think about how much more he could milk the users for. "Well, we almost did it last time but those damn repukes stole the election from us!... but if you donate just a little bit more to DU... next election will vote those fascists out!"

Which makes no sense in why their trying so hard to force people out. The House is going to switch hands in a few months. That'll be something to galvanize the DU'ers again. But with them tombstoning so many members just months prior to this, it's not helping them out at all.

JackKetch
08-21-2010, 10:55 AM
That's still 5 grand. :p It probably costs like $100/year to keep the site running.

yeah, but if he's been taking in $50,000 a quarter in donations, $5000 would not be making him happy.

i've always wondered how much the fundraisers brought in. and wondered why nobody ever asks.

SarasotaRepub
08-21-2010, 04:05 PM
Well imagine that!!! Skinner made his 1000 donation mark. :eek::rolleyes::D

m00
08-21-2010, 05:07 PM
Which makes no sense in why their trying so hard to force people out. The House is going to switch hands in a few months. That'll be something to galvanize the DU'ers again. But with them tombstoning so many members just months prior to this, it's not helping them out at all.

I'm sure he'll give them blanket amnesty once Democrats are a minority party again. He knows his users are addicts... they can't stay away. Put 'em thru withdrawal a bit, and they'll come crawling back just begging to purchase stars.

JackKetch
08-21-2010, 05:40 PM
Which makes no sense in why their trying so hard to force people out. The House is going to switch hands in a few months. That'll be something to galvanize the DU'ers again. But with them tombstoning so many members just months prior to this, it's not helping them out at all.

was there a big purge? if so, do you know why? i haven't been here in x months and haven't looked at DU for x months plus some.

(an old friend tipped me off yesterday about skinner's whine. at least some people there, like my friend, donate the minimum once a year, or ask somebody to buy them a star, because they enjoy some of the forums you can only post in if you have a star. i skated on free stars for years as it was against my principles to donate to skinner.)