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Eyelids
08-13-2008, 08:14 PM
I constantly see that "an overwhelming majority of Americans" want the U.S. to drill. To be honest I haven't checked the veracity of that claim but it exposes a clear logical fallacy.

If you think the government should listen to the majority of Americans to drill, what about the clear majority of people in this country who want to us to withdraw from Iraq?

Gingersnap
08-13-2008, 08:47 PM
I constantly see that "an overwhelming majority of Americans" want the U.S. to drill. To be honest I haven't checked the veracity of that claim but it exposes a clear logical fallacy.

If you think the government should listen to the majority of Americans to drill, what about the clear majority of people in this country who want to us to withdraw from Iraq?

What about the clear majority that want the government to send them free money so they can sit on their asses and watch soft porn?

I don't give a rat's ass about what the vast majority of Americans think on any particular issue. In this case, their ideas dovetail with some hard economic truths. While I have actually devoted my professional life to pollution prevention and emission modeling, I'm well aware that we can both develop alternative energy sources and use our own fossil fuel resources without impacting the environment more than we are right now.

Molon Labe
08-13-2008, 08:59 PM
I constantly see that "an overwhelming majority of Americans" want the U.S. to drill. To be honest I haven't checked the veracity of that claim but it exposes a clear logical fallacy.

If you think the government should listen to the majority of Americans to drill, what about the clear majority of people in this country who want to us to withdraw from Iraq?

Congress has forfeited their constitutional duty to wage war. They have decided to transfer their war making power to the executive. Therefore..they aren't listening to the American people. Their letting Bushy handle it.
Your going to find that Congress doesn't make the difficult decisions....they just transfer them to the President so they can continue their follies. Remember...Everyone hates congress, but loves their own representative. Another clear logical fallacy.




While I have actually devoted my professional life to pollution prevention and emission modeling, I'm well aware that we can both develop alternative energy sources and use our own fossil fuel resources without impacting the environment more than we are right now.

My sentiments exactly. Do what you can to work on a solution, but don't handicap yourself.

Eyelids
08-13-2008, 09:18 PM
Things this thread is not for: Sucking each other off about how great you think drilling our oil will be and what you'll do with the nickel per gallon you'll save in 2015.

Things this thread is for: Exposing the logical fallacy constantly employed by Republicans regarding oil and the double standard they use.

Lager
08-13-2008, 09:26 PM
Of course we shouldn't do something simply because a majority supports it. Is this a strawman, eyelids? I've seen people use public support to defend their argument, but never as the sole reason for drilling. Who has stated here or publicly that the only reason we should explore new drilling is because a majority are for it?

megimoo
08-13-2008, 09:35 PM
Things this thread is not for: Sucking each other off about how great you think drilling our oil will be and what you'll do with the nickel per gallon you'll save in 2015.

Things this thread is for: Exposing the logical fallacy constantly employed by Republicans regarding oil and the double standard they use.
If that was your intent you have failed miserably as usual !

" The U.S. is awash in oil, so much that it's almost mind-boggling ."

Let's take just that crude that exists in U.S. coastal waters — whether off Alaska or California, or in the Gulf, or off the Atlantic Coast. According to recent data from the American Petroleum Institute and U.S. Bureau of Land Management, the U.S. has 86 billion barrels of oil offshore — and that's only what we can recover using today's technology. Future technologies will boost that.

This is no small amount. Offshore oil alone could fuel 65 million cars for 47 years.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...03433710389399

Gingersnap
08-13-2008, 09:57 PM
Things this thread is not for: Sucking each other off about how great you think drilling our oil will be and what you'll do with the nickel per gallon you'll save in 2015.

Things this thread is for: Exposing the logical fallacy constantly employed by Republicans regarding oil and the double standard they use.

Things this thread is for: discussing the issue without a bunch of lame public school restrictions on opinions and facts.

Eyelids
08-13-2008, 10:07 PM
Things this thread is for: discussing the issue without a bunch of lame public school restrictions on opinions and facts.

Bullshit, when you allow people to make any argument they want you get shit thats completely irrelevant like megi's post. I dont see how making sense is restricted to public schools, but man I'm glad I didn't waste money elsewhere.

lacarnut
08-13-2008, 10:16 PM
I constantly see that "an overwhelming majority of Americans" want the U.S. to drill. To be honest I haven't checked the veracity of that claim but it exposes a clear logical fallacy.

If you think the government should listen to the majority of Americans to drill, what about the clear majority of people in this country who want to us to withdraw from Iraq?

Most Americans want us to win the war and get the hell out pronto. Wuzzy liberals like you and the Magic Negro want to turn tail and run like in V.N. The majority of Americans do not want total withdrawal and if you say so, you are full of shit.

A clear logical truth is that you are ignorant on the subject matter of drilling.

Gingersnap
08-13-2008, 10:17 PM
Bullshit, when you allow people to make any argument they want you get shit thats completely irrelevant like megi's post. I dont see how making sense is restricted to public schools, but man I'm glad I didn't waste money elsewhere.

I doubt you have personally paid a dime toward k-12 education. However, that's a different topic. As long as people stay on point about your original post, they can offer an opinion. You cannot dictate the parameters of the discussion in this forum.

If you are inclined to do that (and you can), take it to the Dome.

Eyelids
08-13-2008, 10:21 PM
Most Americans want us to win the war and get the hell out pronto. Wuzzy liberals like you and the Magic Negro want to turn tail and run like in V.N. The majority of Americans do not want total withdrawal and if you say so, you are full of shit.

The burden of proof falls on you here... because I am positive a majority of people in this country was us out of Iraq. A majority wants healthcare reform too...

If you have to wonder why the Republicans have to stoop to ridiculous lows in ads look no further than how popular their policies are to the American people. It's funny that you're against public education, because with the tactics used by your party the dumber the American the easier their vote is to get.

Eyelids
08-13-2008, 10:22 PM
I doubt you have personally paid a dime toward k-12 education. However, that's a different topic. As long as people stay on point about your original post, they can offer an opinion. You cannot dictate the parameters of the discussion in this forum.

OK so I can just start talking about Radiohead?

Gingersnap
08-13-2008, 10:31 PM
OK so I can just start talking about Radiohead?

Absolutely. We have a number of past-due date band dissuasions in the Lounge. :p

Zeus
08-13-2008, 10:31 PM
Things this thread is not for: Sucking each other off about how great you think drilling our oil will be and what you'll do with the nickel per gallon you'll save in 2015.

Things this thread is for: Exposing the logical fallacy constantly employed by Republicans regarding oil and the double standard they use.

Yo Professor. Just the threat of more drilling dropped the price of gas 25 cents at the pump so I dunno where you get the nickel per gal 8 yrs from now crap at cept from Nancy P and other vested interests in no drilling.

ralph wiggum
08-13-2008, 10:33 PM
Things this thread is not for: Sucking each other off about how great you think drilling our oil will be and what you'll do with the nickel per gallon you'll save in 2015.

Bullshit. We'll reduce the price of oil and consequently gasoline far more than a nickel per gallon if we utilize our natural resources and drill everywhere possible.

Eyelids
08-13-2008, 10:33 PM
Yo Professor. Just the threat of more drilling dropped the price of gas 25 cents at the pump so I dunno where you get the nickel per gal 8 yrs from now crap at cept from Nancy P and other vested interests in no drilling.

What are you figures from those with vestered interests in drilling?

Let me guess, $1.50 per gallon by next week?

Eyelids
08-13-2008, 10:34 PM
Bullshit. We'll reduce the price of oil and consequently gasoline far more than a nickel per gallon if we utilize our natural resources and drill everywhere possible.

By the time infastructure for the drilling is set up Chevy will be debuting the Volt and the writing will (finally) be on the wall for oil.

OwlMBA
08-13-2008, 10:45 PM
The burden of proof falls on you here... because I am positive a majority of people in this country was us out of Iraq. A majority wants healthcare reform too...

If you have to wonder why the Republicans have to stoop to ridiculous lows in ads look no further than how popular their policies are to the American people. It's funny that you're against public education, because with the tactics used by your party the dumber the American the easier their vote is to get.

Who gives a @#$% what the majority wants? This isn't a democracy, its a Republic. If we had mob rule we could just create a law that says only red-heads have to pay taxes. Or only blacks. Imagine if the majority REALLY got whatever they wanted in this country. If that were the case I can tell you one thing - we wouldn't have any more minorities living here.

Lager
08-13-2008, 10:49 PM
By the time infastructure for the drilling is set up Chevy will be debuting the Volt and the writing will (finally) be on the wall for oil.

And how will those batteries be charged? From electricity most likely generated from coal burning plants. Oh no, that's another of those dirty, icky sources of energy that hurt the environment when we wrest it from the depths. Dang it, that doesn't really help us at all. Except we'll be one step more removed from the source. We won't have to go to those smelly gas stations, just a simple socket on the wall, so we can pretend it's not so bad. Out of site...etc.

Why oh why can't we discover something clean and pleasant that will readily fuel our energy needs. Like dandelions or fallen leaves or pretty discarded bird feathers or something. It's just so unfair.

Eyelids
08-13-2008, 10:49 PM
Who gives a @#$% what the majority wants? This isn't a democracy, its a Republic. If we had mob rule we could just create a law that says only red-heads have to pay taxes. Or only blacks. Imagine if the majority REALLY got whatever they wanted in this country. If that were the case I can tell you one thing - we wouldn't have any more minorities living here.

You obviously dont understand the point of this thread. At all.

lacarnut
08-13-2008, 10:53 PM
The burden of proof falls on you here... because I am positive a majority of people in this country was us out of Iraq. A majority wants healthcare reform too...

If you have to wonder why the Republicans have to stoop to ridiculous lows in ads look no further than how popular their policies are to the American people. It's funny that you're against public education, because with the tactics used by your party the dumber the American the easier their vote is to get.

Stay on topic instead of jumping from the war to education to health-care. Since you are the one that made the original statement about troop withdrawal, you are the one that is required to show proof. Sparky.

However, if you want to go the route of what Americans want, I can give you a few. Americans do not want to pay for welfare for able bodied blacks and whites that are too damn lazy to work. Americans want their taxes reduced (idiots in your party want to increase them). Majority of Americans want school vouchers ( the current public school system is broken. The majority of Americans don't want unions (the democrats are for unions). The majority of Americans do not want to pay for welfare babies after the first one. The majority of Americans want the illegals sent back home (both parties are wrong on this issue). Most Americans want to drill. Idiots like you and your kind do not know what the effect of additional drilling will have on the price. It's all guesswork. The majority of Americans think it is stupid to have so many formulations of gasoline. The majority of Americans believe that unless you are sick or old, you should provide your own health-care. Most Americans are tired of all this give away shit to lazy people. Most Americans want to curtail sue happy lawyers in this country (Democrats are for more).

I wish Obama was as stupid as you because he has changed his position on a number of issues like drilling to try and woe independents. I am waiting for his next flip flop because I know it's coming. He has already changed his position on total withdrawl. I guess you have not been following his campaign.

McCain is going to put an ass whipping on Obama. It will be ugly. I am going to bet on it.

Eyelids
08-13-2008, 10:55 PM
And how will those batteries be charged? From electricity most likely generated from coal burning plants. Oh no, that's another of those dirty, icky sources of energy that hurt the environment when we wrest it from the depths. Dang it, that doesn't really help us at all. Except we'll be one step more removed from the source. We won't have to go to those smelly gas stations, just a simple socket on the wall, so we can pretend it's not so bad. Out of site...etc.

Why oh why can't we discover something clean and pleasant that will readily fuel our energy needs. Like dandelions or fallen leaves or pretty discarded bird feathers or something. It's just so unfair.

Sure we'll use coal, at least we don't import that from people who hate us. From there we can go geothermal, solar or fusion with our power plants...

Sticking with oil is counterproductive.

Eyelids
08-13-2008, 10:56 PM
Stay on topic instead of jumping from the war to education to health-care. Since you are the one that made the original statement about troop withdrawal, you are the one that is required to show proof. Sparky.

However, if you want to go the route of what Americans want, I can give you a few. Americans do not want to pay for welfare for able bodied blacks and whites that are too damn lazy to work. Americans want their taxes reduced (idiots in your party want to increase them). Majority of Americans want school vouchers ( the current public school system is broken. The majority of Americans don't want unions (the democrats are for unions). The majority of Americans do not want to pay for welfare babies after the first one. The majority of Americans want the illegals sent back home (both parties are wrong on this issue). Most Americans want to drill. Idiots like you and your kind do not know what the effect of additional drilling will have on the price. It's all guesswork. The majority of Americans think it is stupid to have so many formulations of gasoline. The majority of Americans believe that unless you are sick or old, you should provide your own health-care. Most Americans are tired of all this give away shit to lazy people. Most Americans want to curtail sue happy lawyers in this country (Democrats are for more).

I wish Obama was as stupid as you because he has changed his position on a number of issues like drilling to try and woe independents. I am waiting for his next flip flop because I know it's coming. He has already changed his position on total withdrawl. I guess you have not been following his campaign.

McCain is going to put an ass whipping on Obama. It will be ugly. I am going to bet on it.

This is one of lacarnut's worst-written and most nonsensical posts, and that's saying a lot.

Zeus
08-13-2008, 10:58 PM
What are you figures from those with vestered interests in drilling?

Let me guess, $1.50 per gallon by next week?

" The U.S. is awash in oil, so much that it's almost mind-boggling ." (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=31063&postcount=1)

Now if supply meets or even exceeds demand,what happens to the price ? Now this of course would be predicated on being able to access known deposits accessable with current technology which in turn would make it worthwhile to build additional refineries.

jinxmchue
08-13-2008, 11:03 PM
If you think the government should listen to the majority of Americans to drill, what about the clear majority of people in this country who want to us to withdraw from Iraq?

*cough*BULLSHIT*cough*


Things this thread is not for: Sucking each other off about how great you think drilling our oil will be and what you'll do with the nickel per gallon you'll save in 2015.

It is also not for Eyelids making any sense (as usual).


Things this thread is for: Exposing the logical fallacy constantly employed by Republicans regarding oil and the double standard they use.

It is also for Eyelids continuing to be a major asshole with a severe case of the stupids.

Lager
08-13-2008, 11:04 PM
Sure we'll use coal, at least we don't import that from people who hate us. From there we can go geothermal, solar or fusion with our power plants...

Sticking with oil is counterproductive.

Well, there you go! You've just repeated one of the stronger arguments for drilling in this country that I've heard a lot of people give. Which side are you on in this argument again? It's simple economics, I'm afraid, more than a conspiracy. When those other, cleaner sources become as viable, reliable and comparable in cost to oil, thus will the revolution begin. And no shady bogeyman oil execs will be able to stop it. I look forward with you to that time. I'd love to get cheap energy from a clean and non polluting source for my home, without having to mortgage all my future paychecks to do it.

SaintLouieWoman
08-13-2008, 11:09 PM
Eyelids, if you check out the stickied Drill Now Poll, you'll see the CU results are 68-3.

BTW, check out the link in the first page of the poll. Newt has a new video----announcing a contest called Drill here, Drill now, Pay NOTHING! The most imaginative and professional youtube creation will win a year's worth of gas.

Check out the link and watch Newt's video where he explains it.

lacarnut
08-13-2008, 11:23 PM
This is one of lacarnut's best written posts and that's saying a lot.

Fixed

Someone needs to drill some sense into to your head because your knowledge of the subject matter, drilling for oil, would not fill a thimble.

IanBama
08-14-2008, 01:15 AM
Sure we'll use coal, at least we don't import that from people who hate us. From there we can go geothermal, solar or fusion with our power plants...

Sticking with oil is counterproductive.
Wow, you really don't know what to believe do you?

If we use coal we will KILL our planet, right?
but, nah in this case its ok

and I just love how you make the case for drilling for our own oil, so we don't have to get it from those evil dictators!

and who is exactly going to be paying for all of this HOPE you have for us to CHANGE to using expensive alternative energies??? You guessed it, the great American tax payer.

Rebel Yell
08-14-2008, 11:02 AM
This is one of lacarnut's worst-written and most nonsensical posts, and that's saying a lot.

In other words, you have no rebuttal for that post.

P.S. The majority of Americans are fucking idiots or just don't keep up with politics and current events.

Zafod
08-14-2008, 02:43 PM
I constantly see that "an overwhelming majority of Americans" want the U.S. to drill. To be honest I haven't checked the veracity of that claim but it exposes a clear logical fallacy.

If you think the government should listen to the majority of Americans to drill, what about the clear majority of people in this country who want to us to withdraw from Iraq?

*yawn* you are a fucking tool.

Eyelids
08-14-2008, 02:44 PM
*yawn* you are a fucking tool.

I dont understand why you even respond when you have nothing at all to say.

Zafod
08-14-2008, 02:46 PM
OK so I can just start talking about Radiohead?

Go ahead skippy, they are a crappy band anyway....

Zafod
08-14-2008, 02:50 PM
I dont understand why you even respond when you have nothing at all to say.

Like you do?
Please, you are no different than any other liberfucktard asshole that has ever come here to "show you evil neocons how wrong you are!! bla bla bla...."

No are no different then DA, well maybe DA is worse then you but fuck it, you are a close second.

Teetop
08-14-2008, 03:52 PM
I know an overwhelming majority of CU'ers know you're a DUmbass.

:cool:

Zafod
08-14-2008, 04:19 PM
I know an overwhelming majority of CU'ers know you're a DUmbass.

:cool:

hahahahahahahahahaha....


good one bud.

Paco
08-14-2008, 04:47 PM
I dont understand why you even respond when you have nothing at all to say.

Because you just lost the game.
+1.

This post and run brought to you by Paco getting bored at work.

YupItsMe
08-14-2008, 05:18 PM
I constantly see that "an overwhelming majority of Americans" want the U.S. to drill. To be honest I haven't checked the veracity of that claim but it exposes a clear logical fallacy.

If you think the government should listen to the majority of Americans to drill, what about the clear majority of people in this country who want to us to withdraw from Iraq?



First off that poll may finally be true, but like a true lib poll, they misconstrued the results at first. The original poll which libs immediately jumped on as meaning that a majority of Americans wanted to kiss Islamofacists ass, raise the white flag and run only asked if American were satisfied with the progress of the war. Even then it took months to get that to a negative result. However, the left's assumption that it means total withdrawal leaves out millions of Americans that feel we should pull out of one city at a time and flatten it with a tactical nuke.

YupItsMe
08-14-2008, 05:23 PM
Things this thread is not for: Sucking each other off about how great you think drilling our oil will be and what you'll do with the nickel per gallon you'll save in 2015.

Things this thread is for: Exposing the logical fallacy constantly employed by Republicans regarding oil and the double standard they use.

I must've missed where you were made a moderator.

Zafod
08-14-2008, 05:48 PM
I must've missed where you were made a moderator.

no shit. ;)

ReaganForRus
08-14-2008, 05:49 PM
By the time infastructure for the drilling is set up Chevy will be debuting the Volt and the writing will (finally) be on the wall for oil.

eyelids,

Actually removal of the congressional ban on offshore drilling will yield oil production in less than 18 months in shallower more established fields off of Louisiana, Texas and Florida. Taking a doubled tiered approach, the deeper oil fields far offshore could take up to seven to ten years to bring online. You add the current known reserves onshore which would come on in two to three years. So a thoughtful, protracted national drilling policy would lower oil prices rather significantly in a relatively short period of time. Oil will probably never be 15 dollars again, but it could fall in the 70 dollar range for a very long time.

As to Iraq, the Congress gave this President the powers to conduct the global WoT after 9-11. The President went to war with Iraq for Iraq's failure to comply with UN terms ending the Gulf War. 14 UN resolutions went unheeded by Saddam and his regime. Couple that with foreign intelligence reports from multiple countries that Saddam had an active WMD, the President had no choice but commit to enforce UN resolutions.

The War in Iraq was won, it is now the peace that is being won in Iraq, and the American people overwhelmingly want the peace to be won no if's, and's or but's. You may not like it that the overwhelmingly want peace in Iraq and increased drilling, but facts are facts, and you can't change them.

Zathras
08-14-2008, 06:46 PM
This is one of lacarnut's worst-written and most nonsensical posts, and that's saying a lot.

Yeah, but Lacarnut's worst written posting beats anything you've put on CU by a factor of 100, Blinky.

Zathras
08-14-2008, 06:47 PM
I dont understand why you even respond when you have nothing at all to say.

That's what we think every time you post.

AmPat
08-14-2008, 07:59 PM
The burden of proof falls on you here... because I am positive a majority of people in this country was us out of Iraq. A majority wants healthcare reform too...

If you have to wonder why the Republicans have to stoop to ridiculous lows in ads look no further than how popular their policies are to the American people. It's funny that you're against public education, because with the tactics used by your party the dumber the American the easier their vote is to get.

That is Exactly what people are saying. You are just too dumb to realize it.
Here-----
Most Americans want us to win the war and get the hell out pronto. Wuzzy liberals like you and the Magic Negro want to turn tail and run like in V.N. The majority of Americans do not want total withdrawal and if you say so, you are full of shit.

A clear logical truth is that you are ignorant on the subject matter of drilling.
You cannot logically use a weak argument that because a majority want the govenment to do something that it is the right course of action.

Clintoon ran his administration by public poll and it was a miserable failure. The public may want BHO as President but that doesn't make him competent or qualified.

Popular and easy is not the same as right. Grow up!

Teetop
08-15-2008, 02:13 PM
Eyebooger? The following is "Applying the Democratic oil plan to everyday life." (http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/2008/08/15/demlogic/)

Blood shortage? We cannot donate our way out of this problem.


Accident victims will just have to cut back on their use of blood. They have to break their addiction to blood.

People starving in Africa? We cannot feed our way out of this problem. They’ll just have to cut back on their use of food. They’ll have to break their addiction to food.

Baby crying at 3 a.m.? We cannot nurse our way out of this problem. He’ll just have to cut back on his use of milk. He’ll have to break his addiction to milk.

Asthmatics short of breath? We cannot breathe our way out of this problem. They’ll just have to cut back on their use of air. They’ll have to break their addiction to air.