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megimoo
08-13-2008, 10:07 PM
You know some in the liberal media have simply lost touch with reality when the headline reads "John Edwards Cheats on Wife With Cancer" and they ask with great detachment whether he'll be able to run for office again soon.:eek:

Their morality is so bizarre that they showed more outrage at John McCain featuring a picture of Paris Hilton in a commercial for two eye-blinks than for Edwards catting around on a dying spouse.

For months (and more hotly in the last two weeks), the National Enquirer has been trickling out the goods they collected on John Edwards having an affair and possibly a love child with campaign aide Rielle Hunter, staking out Edwards in a California hotel — and how he hid in the bathroom to avoid them.

There's a quick campaign ad on the two parties in a nutshell. Republican George Bush took on Osama bin Laden and took out Saddam Hussein. Democrat John Edwards hides in a bathroom from the tabloids.

Throughout this time, the very same media that almost immediately spread unproven trash on McCain's alleged "romantic" relationship with lobbyist Vicki Iseman because the source was the allegedly professional New York Times now remained as quiet as a cabin full of Carthusian monks.

Only when everyone was familiar with the story, thanks to the New Media, and when Edwards was forced to confess did the networks break their obedient silence.

Anyone watching the TV stories found a tone of sadness in the outraged disappointment of Edwards supporters like campaign manager David Bonior. That's acceptable.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=303518092277845

Eyelids
08-13-2008, 10:27 PM
Ehh megimoo you're voting for somebody to be president who cheated on his wife when she got in a car accident.

Gingersnap
08-13-2008, 10:42 PM
Excerpt:


My marriage ended because John McCain didn't want to be 40, he wanted to be 25," Carol McCain told England's Daily Mail. "You know that happens... it just does."

John and Carol, then a swimwear model, wed in 1965.

"I thought, of course, we would live happily ever after," said Carol, who now lives in Virginia Beach.

While John was held captive in Vietnam, Carol was disfigured due to multiple injuries from a car accident. He returned in 1973 and they split seven years later.

"My accident is well recorded," Carol recounted. "I had 23 operations, I am five inches shorter than I used to be and I was in the hospital for six months. It was just awful, but it wasn't the reason for my divorce."

Although John married his current wife – 17 years his junior – just a month after the split, Carol insists, "I have no bitterness."

US Mag (http://www.usmagazine.com/john-mccains-first-wife-gives-interview)

It's interesting that no matter what real women actually say, the media spins it. Most wives of men who have been tortured or imprisoned for long time periods leave their mates. The men have become completely different people from the former courting personality. The same is true when women are in these circumstances.

It's a human issue - not a dating issue. :rolleyes:

biccat
08-13-2008, 11:17 PM
Ehh megimoo you're voting for somebody to be president who cheated on his wife when she got in a car accident.
You must be confused, John McCain was being tortured by the liberals in Vietnam when his wife was in a car accident.

lacarnut
08-13-2008, 11:36 PM
You must be confused, John McCain was being tortured by the liberals in Vietnam when his wife was in a car accident.

He is confused about everything. He is not even a good liar.

ralph wiggum
08-13-2008, 11:46 PM
Even a big socialist/commie columnist chastises Edwards (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080813/OPINION01/808130331/1166/OPINION01)

I was shocked to see this column from her.

rjas77
08-13-2008, 11:53 PM
Ehh megimoo you're voting for somebody to be president who cheated on his wife when she got in a car accident.

Uh if you had a few more brain cells and you just might be a retard ...McCain was being a guest at the Hanio Hilton before, during and 4 years after her accident.

Upon his arrival they stayed together for seven years.

Try again LIBtard

Elspeth
08-14-2008, 10:27 AM
Even a big socialist/commie columnist chastises Edwards (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080813/OPINION01/808130331/1166/OPINION01)

I was shocked to see this column from her.

From the article:


"But when someone acts that selfish, deceitful and ego-driven in private, it's likely he'd behave that way in office."

AMEN!

M21
08-14-2008, 12:14 PM
Excerpt:



US Mag (http://www.usmagazine.com/john-mccains-first-wife-gives-interview)

It's interesting that no matter what real women actually say, the media spins it. Most wives of men who have been tortured or imprisoned for long time periods leave their mates. The men have become completely different people from the former courting personality. The same is true when women are in these circumstances.

It's a human issue - not a dating issue. :rolleyes:

I still cannot give him a pass. It probably says more about me than him. I assume he took a vow before God to cherish and love her in sickness and in health until death.

He broke the faith.

Molon Labe
08-14-2008, 02:37 PM
Ehh megimoo you're voting for somebody to be president who cheated on his wife when she got in a car accident.

Shhh! McCain is one of us now! We wouldn't want to expose the Libtard RINO for what he is.

Eyelids
08-14-2008, 02:39 PM
Nah McCain's more of a Neocon now than a Liberal. It's sad, I kinda liked him way back when.

Molon Labe
08-14-2008, 02:40 PM
Nah McCain's more of a Neocon now than a Liberal. It's sad, I kinda liked him way back when.

A Neocon is a liberal.

See Here:

http://alicelillieandher.blogspot.com/2006/05/roots-of-neoconservatism-prologue.html


neoconservatives are mostly disillusioned liberals.

Eyelids
08-14-2008, 02:43 PM
Its hard to call McCain the same kind of liberal as, say Pelosi, when he supports the war and wants to make Bush's tax cuts permanent.

Molon Labe
08-14-2008, 02:53 PM
Its hard to call McCain the same kind of liberal as, say Pelosi, when he supports the war and wants to make Bush's tax cuts permanent.

That's because the modern politician is for whatever they believe will get votes. McCain wasn't talking this way 10 years ago...and he sure as hell wasn't one to beat the war drums.
Since I've been here I've been trying to tell people that call themselves conservative that they are supporting a foreign policy that has it's roots in Liberal idealism...specifically the type that Wilson and LBJ failed at.
Basically it's a choice between interventionists that tax and spend or interventionists that borrow and spend.
That's why it baffles me with your man crush on Obama. You somehow believe that he is different from the rest.

AmPat
08-14-2008, 08:42 PM
Its hard to call McCain the same kind of liberal as, say Pelosi, when he supports the war and wants to make Bush's tax cuts permanent.

This sounds like a backdoor admission that liberals are: for higher taxes and a cut and run policy for any war that DIMS didn't get us into.

1. Are you for the USA cutting and running from Iraq?
2. Are you for higher taxes? (More to the point, will you be for higher taxes when you actually start paying taxes)?

Goldwater
08-14-2008, 10:20 PM
Its hard to call McCain the same kind of liberal as, say Pelosi, when he supports the war and wants to make Bush's tax cuts permanent.

McCain, with the exception of spending, is very liberal/neo conservative.

Eyelids
08-14-2008, 11:04 PM
Yes I am for "cutting and running" from Iraq as I dont let a false sense of pride cloud my judgment. I laugh out loud every time you guys say "WE COULD'VE LEFT VIETNAM WITH HONOR IF NOT FOR DAMN LIBRALZ!"

And I do pay taxes and I think we should all pay more. If you want your war so bad (and your honor and glory), why are you so opposed to paying for it?

Gingersnap
08-14-2008, 11:29 PM
Yes I am for "cutting and running" from Iraq as I dont let a false sense of pride cloud my judgment. I laugh out loud every time you guys say "WE COULD'VE LEFT VIETNAM WITH HONOR IF NOT FOR DAMN LIBRALZ!"

And I do pay taxes and I think we should all pay more. If you want your war so bad (and your honor and glory), why are you so opposed to paying for it?

We do pay for it. We just aren't interested in paying for your porky taxes. Why does that make us bad?

Eyelids
08-14-2008, 11:55 PM
We do pay for it. We just aren't interested in paying for your porky taxes. Why does that make us bad?

When you go to war you have to raise taxes. It's classic modern conservatism, love your country until you have to pay for it.

lacarnut
08-15-2008, 12:07 AM
Yes I am for "cutting and running" from Iraq as I dont let a false sense of pride cloud my judgment. I laugh out loud every time you guys say "WE COULD'VE LEFT VIETNAM WITH HONOR IF NOT FOR DAMN LIBRALZ!"

And I do pay taxes and I think we should all pay more. If you want your war so bad (and your honor and glory), why are you so opposed to paying for it?

You are a lying sack of shit. You don't pay Federal Income Taxes. You stated that you were a student. I called you on your lie that you had spent the rebate check before the Feds started sending them out. We are talking about Federal Income Tax not sales tax or some other tax that you get ripped off for in Chicago.

GenYConservative
08-15-2008, 02:31 AM
Yes I am for "cutting and running" from Iraq as I dont let a false sense of pride cloud my judgment. I laugh out loud every time you guys say "WE COULD'VE LEFT VIETNAM WITH HONOR IF NOT FOR DAMN LIBRALZ!"

And I do pay taxes and I think we should all pay more. If you want your war so bad (and your honor and glory), why are you so opposed to paying for it?

You are for CUTTING AND RUNNING from Iraq because your Liberal brain cells have shut off the connections to your testicles.

Eyelids
08-15-2008, 02:58 AM
You are a lying sack of shit. You don't pay Federal Income Taxes. You stated that you were a student. I called you on your lie that you had spent the rebate check before the Feds started sending them out. We are talking about Federal Income Tax not sales tax or some other tax that you get ripped off for in Chicago.

I have a job that I work year round and I am taxed by the federal government. I'm actually looking at the paycheck right now and the deductions are right there.

Eyelids
08-15-2008, 02:59 AM
You are for CUTTING AND RUNNING from Iraq because your Liberal brain cells have shut off the connections to your testicles.

Ladies, what do you think of men who think with their balls rather than their brains?

Sonnabend
08-15-2008, 05:07 AM
Ladies, what do you think of men who think with their balls rather than their brains?

At least they HAVE them.....

marinejcksn
08-15-2008, 05:46 AM
I still cannot give him a pass. It probably says more about me than him. I assume he took a vow before God to cherish and love her in sickness and in health until death.

He broke the faith.

Marriages end for an incredible variety of reasons. In my opinion McCain didn't leave her for her physical appearance after her accident, but once again that's merely my opinion. I can't imagine the level of Hell he endured as a POW, and the strain of being apart from his wife for so many years obviously affected them. Relationships, no matter how strong are invariably affected during prolonged separation. I've endured 2 long deployments away from my wife, and am currently on my 3rd. Every break required a while for the 2 of us to work through and they were all difficult. That's only being away from her for 7-12 months, I couldn't fathom being away from her for 5-6 years.

McCain made his choices and from what I gather he, his ex wife and current wife Cindy have put their differences aside and I think that's a great thing.

That being said, I still don't know if I can vote another RINO into office in November. Bob Barr 08. All I'm sayin.:cool:

marinejcksn
08-15-2008, 06:09 AM
Addition to above post^^^ yes sorry ladies I said wife. I know half the board is crying already over the loss of a young Marine bachelor:p

biccat
08-15-2008, 08:17 AM
Yes I am for "cutting and running" from Iraq as I dont let a false sense of pride cloud my judgment. I laugh out loud every time you guys say "WE COULD'VE LEFT VIETNAM WITH HONOR IF NOT FOR DAMN LIBRALZ!"
Korea provides a great example of surrender versus peace. We lost on North Korea, but were able to preserve South Korea. Now look at the differences between those two countries.

Vietnam is much more like North Korea than South, but it could have been much different. But hey, keep patting yourself on the back for forcing an end to the conflict.

When the left spits on the troops, everyone knows where their true loyalties lie.

Zathras
08-15-2008, 08:25 AM
You are for CUTTING AND RUNNING from Iraq because your Liberal brain cells have shut off the connections to your testicles.

This is not true. You can't shut connections off to something you've never had.

Zathras
08-15-2008, 08:28 AM
I have a job that I work year round and I am taxed by the federal government. I'm actually looking at the paycheck right now and the deductions are right there.

Yeah, but when you work at at McDonalds for minimum wages you can get it all back when you file so you're not really paying anything.

AmPat
08-15-2008, 09:01 AM
When you go to war you have to raise taxes. It's classic modern conservatism, love your country until you have to pay for it.

No, that is false and a faulty assumption. I am for winning the war and paying for it. I am not for paying for handouts to the worthless. I'm not for generations of welfare families. I'm not for paying for bad life choices by loose women and irresponsible males.

Classic Conservative is this, pay legitimate expenses of government and not for every pet project for the sick, lame and lazy.:cool:

marinejcksn
08-15-2008, 10:20 AM
No, that is false and a faulty assumption. I am for winning the war and paying for it. I am not for paying for handouts to the worthless. I'm not for generations of welfare families. I'm not for paying for bad life choices by loose women and irresponsible males.

Classic Conservative is this, pay legitimate expenses of government and not for every pet project for the sick, lame and lazy.:cool:

AMEN. Easiest way to reduce poverty is to enable free market economics. Always has been, always will be. Socialism has been proven a failure time after time, yet some people still feel like "just a little more (money, government intervention) will solve all our problems". We call these people Liberals.

GenYConservative
08-15-2008, 07:20 PM
Oh, and if we got rid of all the illegal immigrants and cut all the extra bullshit liberal pork projects, we'd easily be able to pay for the war as needed.

Eyelids
08-16-2008, 07:51 PM
Yeah, but when you work at at McDonalds for minimum wages you can get it all back when you file so you're not really paying anything.

Thankfully my days of minimum wage work are long over, but yea my part-time job doesn't put me in the largest tax bracket ever. I do go to school, and that takes up considerable amounts of time and effort.

Everybody who works 10 hours a day for 5 days a week deserves a decent quality of life and I can tell you from personal observation that doesn't always happen in this country. A completely unregulated free market is a total disaster, there has to be some management of the rich/poor gap or everything falls apart on itself.

Eyelids
08-16-2008, 07:52 PM
Oh, and if we got rid of all the illegal immigrants and cut all the extra bullshit liberal pork projects, we'd easily be able to pay for the war as needed.

No way all that would add up to cover for the trillion dollar mistake.

LibraryLady
08-16-2008, 08:00 PM
I still cannot give him a pass. It probably says more about me than him. I assume he took a vow before God to cherish and love her in sickness and in health until death.

He broke the faith.

Carol McCain was married before and took "that" vow. She divorced her first husband for infidelity also.


Despite the divorce, Carol McCain has remained on good terms with John McCain and has supported him in all his subsequent political campaigns. She refused to discuss her marriage with an election opponent of McCain's in 1982 who was seeking negative information about him, telling the opponent that "a gentleman never would have called." She supports her ex-husband's 2008 presidential campaign, and told The Mail on Sunday in June 2008 that she was not bitter and that, "He’s a good guy. We are still good friends. He is the best man for president."

AmPat
08-16-2008, 09:25 PM
No way all that would add up to cover for the trillion dollar mistake.

Better go back and check your math again. This is not true. The many YEARS of liberal spending and PORK from both partys far exceeds the issue to which you refer.


Everybody who works 10 hours a day for 5 days a week deserves a decent quality of life and I can tell you from personal observation that doesn't always happen in this country. A completely unregulated free market is a total disaster, there has to be some management of the rich/poor gap or everything falls apart on itself
So flipping burgers should fetch a "decent" quality of life? How'd that idea work for the Soviets?:rolleyes:

Eyelids
08-17-2008, 03:07 AM
So flipping burgers should fetch a "decent" quality of life? How'd that idea work for the Soviets?:rolleyes:

You should be able to put a roof over your head and meals on the table.

AmPat
08-17-2008, 04:16 AM
You should be able to put a roof over your head and meals on the table.

I see. You believe that a person flipping burgers should make enough to service a mortgage and meet the rest of life's requirements. Does this mean you favor burger prices going to $20.00 each?:rolleyes:

marinejcksn
08-17-2008, 07:19 AM
You should be able to put a roof over your head and meals on the table.

Show me where the Constitution guarantees one's right to a roof over their head and meals on the table.
Side note: Don't think I'm a "Fat-Cat" living high on the hog while I'm saying this either. An E-5 in the military makes a good wage but I grew up the son of a small tobacco farmer who made less then 20K a year and STILL managed to support a wife, me, my sister and we turned out ok. Qualified for Welfare, dad wouldn't accept it. We managed. I'm so sick of people saying they can't get by on what they make working 40 or 50 hours a week. Guess what Einstein: maybe you need to work 60 hours a week to afford the standard of living you want, deal with it.

Finally, between my wife and I we work over 150 hours a week to pay for our twin girls schooling; don't cry to me about poor people not being able to "make it". Economic success exists in this country on a level not seen anywhere else, but the trick is you might have to work HARD to obtain it.

"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." -Thomas Edison:D

Eyelids
08-17-2008, 10:51 AM
Show me where the Constitution guarantees one's right to a roof over their head and meals on the table.
Where did I say it did?

But if you really care that little about those people you're all digging your own graves. You need people to clean the toilets...

Eyelids
08-17-2008, 10:53 AM
I see. You believe that a person flipping burgers should make enough to service a mortgage and meet the rest of life's requirements. Does this mean you favor burger prices going to $20.00 each?:rolleyes:

Keep our fatass country from eating them all the time...

And burgers wouldn't cost $20 if you paid the employees $2.00 more per hour... hyperbole much?

Sonnabend
08-17-2008, 10:54 AM
You need people to clean the toilets...

...new career path for you?

Well, at least it has a future..

Eyelids
08-17-2008, 11:02 AM
...new career path for you?

Well, at least it has a future..

SONNABEND, WHAT DEGREES DO YOU HAVE?

Sonnabend
08-17-2008, 11:07 AM
I have degrees of many things...a degree of common sense.a degree of finesse..none of which you have.

Eyelids
08-17-2008, 11:08 AM
I have degrees of many things...a degree of common sense.a degree of finesse..none of which you have.

Kindly disconnect the caps lock. - S

marinejcksn
08-17-2008, 11:18 AM
I clean my own toilets. You forget I'm a Marine?:eek:

Eyelids
08-17-2008, 12:04 PM
Kindly disconnect the caps lock. - S


More mod-abuse from Sonnabend...

lacarnut
08-17-2008, 12:41 PM
More mod-abuse from Sonnabend...

More like you being a retard-ate along with being a whiny ass wuz.

Zathras
08-17-2008, 02:10 PM
Kindly disconnect the caps lock. - S



Says the idiot who's previous post was in all caps, bolded and in large type....hypocrit much Blinky? Oh, that's right you're a lib...you live on hypocracy...and dishonor...and lies.

AmPat
08-17-2008, 11:18 PM
Keep our fatass country from eating them all the time...

And burgers wouldn't cost $20 if you paid the employees $2.00 more per hour... hyperbole much?

$2.00 more per hour going to get that mortgage for these paragons of industry? Stupid much?:rolleyes:

Teetop
08-19-2008, 01:37 PM
Keep our fatass country from eating them all the time...

And burgers wouldn't cost $20 if you paid the employees $2.00 more per hour... hyperbole much?

I see eyeshit is bucking for a $2 raise from flipping burgers. :rolleyes:

Eyelids
08-19-2008, 04:56 PM
$2.00 more per hour going to get that mortgage for these paragons of industry? Stupid much?:rolleyes:

8 hour days * $2.00 more per hour = $16 extra per day. $16 per day * 5 days in a working week = $80 extra a week. 52 weeks * $80 per week = $4160 extra a year.

$4160. You're telling me that wouldn't make a difference? Fuck you. Lord over your piles of cash and slobber the feet of the "Captain's of Industry", but think about when those people who flip burgers cant afford the rent. Maybe then you'll think twice before you complain about paying $.20 extra for your heart-disease patty on a bun.

Sonnabend
08-19-2008, 05:11 PM
but think about when those people who flip burgers cant afford the rent.

Then maybe they should educate themselves, and get better jobs. That had occurred to you, right?

Eyelids
08-19-2008, 05:40 PM
Then maybe they should educate themselves, and get better jobs. That had occurred to you, right?

Somebody always has to flip the burgers and clean the toilet Sonnabend...

biccat
08-19-2008, 05:45 PM
Somebody always has to flip the burgers and clean the toilet Sonnabend...

But they don't have to do it for their whole lives. Every year enough kids enter the workforce to flip burgers, let them have those jobs for a few years, then once they have actual work experience in a team environment, they can go out and get real jobs.

People whose career goal is to flip burgers for a living should not be able to afford a house and support a family of four.

Zeus
08-19-2008, 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by Eyelids http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/images/twisteddark/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?p=32553#post32553)
Keep our fatass country from eating them all the time...

And burgers wouldn't cost $20 if you paid the employees $2.00 more per hour... hyperbole much?



You do realize their are more costs involved in a raise than the amt of the raise. Those additional expenses are made up in the prices of products & services.

AmPat
08-19-2008, 10:56 PM
But they don't have to do it for their whole lives. Every year enough kids enter the workforce to flip burgers, let them have those jobs for a few years, then once they have actual work experience in a team environment, they can go out and get real jobs.

People whose career goal is to flip burgers for a living should not be able to afford a house and support a family of four.
I was contemplating (that means "thinking about" Eyelids) answering the self-proclaimed Elitist in a similar manner but I figured it was higher order thinking and he would miss the lesson. When/if he grows up and gets a real career instead of his toilet cleaning and burger business, he will begin to understand.

Zathras
08-19-2008, 11:27 PM
Somebody always has to flip the burgers and clean the toilet Sonnabend...

And you would know, wouldn't you Blinky, as these are the only jobs you're qualified for.

marinejcksn
08-20-2008, 01:20 AM
Somebody always has to flip the burgers and clean the toilet Sonnabend...

Then use your college education for social services instead of working for a company...what Michelle Obama says you should do. :rolleyes:

Seriously, you act like working a minimum wage job SHOULD be able to pay rent at a decent place....it's called MINIMUM wage for a reason. No one should aspire to work a minimum wage job....not to mention you and your liberal friends never mention the AVERAGE salary per hour for workers in America is over 15 dollars an hour. That's the Average.

Ouch. Sick burn.:eek:

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 01:38 AM
People whose career goal is to flip burgers for a living should not be able to afford a house and support a family of four.

How about people who just want to have a job that provides for them and their family? Or are they not good enough for you?

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 01:44 AM
Seriously, you act like working a minimum wage job SHOULD be able to pay rent at a decent place....it's called MINIMUM wage for a reason. No one should aspire to work a minimum wage job....not to mention you and your liberal friends never mention the AVERAGE salary per hour for workers in America is over 15 dollars an hour. That's the Average.

I've worked a lot of part time jobs between my HS and college years and I can tell you after 6 months I would be leapfrogging people who were in their 30's for raises. They worked really hard and did their jobs well but both UPS and Jiffy Lube (Ok, I worked a summer at Jiffy Lube on a bet) offered to pay for my college if I would come back and work for them. You guys all joke together and say I'm stupid and shit, but really I'm quite the opposite and it is you guys who look dumb posting google image pics and really bad one liners.

I lost track of myself.

Point is, people who are working while they are in school are unreliable. HS student cant work days and College students have to go to college. Plus I really couldn't give a rats ass about a shitty $14/hour waiter job so I dont think twice before road trips or concerts.

AmPat
08-20-2008, 02:55 AM
How about people who just want to have a job that provides for them and their family? Or are they not good enough for you?

The answer is in your question. The people who choose a job that is inadequate to make ends meet have chosen a job that does not pay well. Employers are not paying employees for their needs, they are paid for the work they perform.

If those people want a job that "supports them and their family," they need to get a jobthat pays to support them. They don't complain as though it is the government's fault they don't have a good job.

Sonnabend
08-20-2008, 04:30 AM
In simple terms, this is their choice.

No guts, no glory. The world does not owe them a living.

biccat
08-20-2008, 08:38 AM
How about people who just want to have a job that provides for them and their family? Or are they not good enough for you?
In California (http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2007/10/making_ends_mee.html), "families need at least $50,383 per year to pay the bills." Assuming no taxes are paid (in California, HAH!) and one working parent, a burger-flipper in California would need to make ~$25/hour in order to support a family of four.

To answer your question, no, I don't think that a single working person should be able to support a family of four by working at McDonalds. Now if he went to the bank, took out a loan, and bought a McDonald's franchise which he ran himself, then it is a different scenario altogether.

Lager
08-20-2008, 09:26 AM
Both Jiffy Lube and UPS offered to pay your way through college?! Wow. Do they do that often for part time workers, cause I've never heard of that before. You must have really impressed them. :rolleyes:

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 12:10 PM
Both Jiffy Lube and UPS offered to pay your way through college?! Wow. Do they do that often for part time workers, cause I've never heard of that before. You must have really impressed them. :rolleyes:

Uhh yeah they do... they want you to come back and work for them in management. Lucky I didn't do the Jiffy Lube thing as they have gone under.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 12:13 PM
To answer your question, no, I don't think that a single working person should be able to support a family of four by working at McDonalds. Now if he went to the bank, took out a loan, and bought a McDonald's franchise which he ran himself, then it is a different scenario altogether.

Not everyone can own a business and be a beacon of capitalism. For once put down the conservation ideology text and look at something with a reasonable eye.

You are just so fucking stupid it blows my mind. You have no idea or care for the working class at all, the more wealth in this country polarizes itself the happier you get. It's really no shock that conservatism is at this stage pretty much proven to not work in these modern incarnations.

ralph wiggum
08-20-2008, 12:20 PM
Not everyone can own a business and be a beacon of capitalism.

Wrong. Anyone can own a business and anyone has the chance to be successful.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 12:24 PM
Wrong. Anyone can own a business and anyone has the chance to be successful.

So you think all 300 million people in America should own a business all at once?

ralph wiggum
08-20-2008, 12:28 PM
So you think all 300 million people in America should own a business all at once?

I didn't say they should, I said anyone could.

Yeah, infant children should own businesses. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 12:30 PM
I didn't say they should, I said anyone could.
So what is it? Should everybody own a business?

ralph wiggum
08-20-2008, 12:31 PM
So what is it? Should everybody own a business?

You obviously have no reading comprehension.

enslaved1
08-20-2008, 12:52 PM
Both Jiffy Lube and UPS offered to pay your way through college?! Wow. Do they do that often for part time workers, cause I've never heard of that before. You must have really impressed them. :rolleyes:


Evidently UPS does, at several locations offer any part time employee $3k a year, up to $15K lifetime towards college tuition. https://ups.managehr.com/EarnandLearnProgram.htm It appears to be any employee at the right location, making Blinky nothing special there. I see nothing at Jiffy Lube about tuition, maybe he is confused with technician certification.


How about people who just want to have a job that provides for them and their family? Or are they not good enough for you?


If they are not willing to do the work necessary to provide for themselves, be it busting their butt at the pud jobs to earn raises, promotions, and references for good jobs, or busting their butts to get an education so they can be hired for a good job that provides for their needs, then no. The world only owes one what one is willt to get off their butts and work for, nothing else.

And don't feed me any lines about there not being jobs out there. I open up the classifieds and see plenty of jobs, I read the various job listing websites and see plenty of jobs, I go to the temp agencies here in town and see lists jobs available, when I was in Dodge City, every week I saw the long lines at the offices where applications were taken for the packing plants. If a person wants a job, and is willing to put the work in, even if the work sucks sour frog butt, there is work out there, just too many people think like you and want McDonalds to pay enough to live off of, instead of having to do hard work for good money or build experience to earn good money, or actually work in school to earn good money.

Finally, back to the topic, why is this affair such a huge concern to all of America? He's not running for president anymore, so the people who should be concerned are his constituents when they make the decision if they want someone with this moral character to represent them.

biccat
08-20-2008, 02:34 PM
Not everyone can own a business and be a beacon of capitalism. For once put down the conservation ideology text and look at something with a reasonable eye.
You are honestly saying, with a straight face, that a family of four, with one working parent, should be supported by that parent working at McDonalds flipping burgers?

How is it unreasonable to expect people to work hard? How is it unreasonable to expect people to want to better themselves and not be satisfied with a dead end job at the bottom of the economic totem pole?

Minimum wage should be an incentive for people to get out of those types of jobs, it shouldn't be a career goal.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:08 PM
Because somebody always has to work those dead-end jobs. What would happen if everyone thought they were above cleaning toilets, flipping burgers or patching roads? What would happen to our society?

Goldwater
08-20-2008, 04:12 PM
Because somebody always has to work those dead-end jobs. What would happen if everyone thought they were above cleaning toilets, flipping burgers or patching roads? What would happen to our society?

Yes but it's unreasonable to say they can then support a large family from that.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 05:04 PM
Yes but it's unreasonable to say they can then support a large family from that.

When the fuck did I say large family?

Sonnabend
08-20-2008, 05:08 PM
When the fuck did I say large family?

About the same time you started making sense. :rolleyes:

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 05:14 PM
About the same time you started making sense. :rolleyes:

Oh hey it's our resident drooling retard! Did mommy put your bib on so you dont spew too much catnip on the keyboard?

Goldwater
08-20-2008, 05:18 PM
When the fuck did I say large family?

Or even a family at all, maybe one kid with those wages.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 05:19 PM
Or even a family at all, maybe one kid with those wages.

Are suggesting what I think you're suggesting?

Goldwater
08-20-2008, 08:14 PM
Are suggesting what I think you're suggesting?

What? That people shouldn't have large families if they work low paying jobs?

Sonnabend
08-21-2008, 04:22 AM
Oh hey it's our resident drooling retard! Did mommy put your bib on so you dont spew too much catnip on the keyboard?

Do you know what the number 12 represents?

My shoe size and your IQ.

marinejcksn
08-21-2008, 06:08 AM
Not everyone can own a business and be a beacon of capitalism. For once put down the conservation ideology text and look at something with a reasonable eye.

You are just so fucking stupid it blows my mind. You have no idea or care for the working class at all, the more wealth in this country polarizes itself the happier you get. It's really no shock that conservatism is at this stage pretty much proven to not work in these modern incarnations.


Without getting upset then, I must ask what do you propose as a solution? Should the government mandate higher minimum wages? Should they subsidize the "working class" more then what is already done?

Point blank, if you had children with a mediocre job and now cannot afford to pay your bills, you didn't plan well for the future and you should not be rewarded for idiotic behavior. No conservative would ever advocate that said individual's CHILDREN should suffer, that's why conservatives give far more to private charities, churches and shelters then their lieberal counterparts. But the parent who didn't plan ahead properly should hit a roadblock and have it INCREDIBLY hard for themselves. It's the quickest way to sharpen up and learn from your mistakes: paying for them rather then being bailed out.

enslaved1
08-21-2008, 10:21 AM
Are suggesting what I think you're suggesting?

My guess is self control, self reliance, looking ahead, and accepting responsibility for one's own actions instead of expecting everyone else to take care one's poor choices. All of which are foreign concepts to liberals.


Without getting upset then, I must ask what do you propose as a solution?

Like most libs, he has no response but getting upset. If he tried such an action and actually engaged in an intelligent debate, maybe, just maybe, the amount of well deserved abuse blinky gets would drop off significantly. And a big amen to the rest of your post marinejcksn. Children shouldn't have to suffer for the sins and stupidity of their parents, and private organizations (even, gasp, faith based ones :eek:) do a much better job of providing needs than any of the bloated government bureaucracies that we call social services.

AmPat
08-22-2008, 02:08 AM
Wrong. Anyone can own a business and anyone has the chance to be successful.

Unless they are a brain dead, whiny, entitlement minded liberal like,,,,,,Give me a sec,,,,,,,,,,,,ummm,,,,,,,,Eyelids.

Liberals work harder at agonizing and blaming others than at fixing their own short-comings. If the fault is somebody else's, it can't be theirs. They are much like children in many ways. :cool:

AmPat
08-22-2008, 02:13 AM
You obviously have no reading comprehension.

But that can't be true. He already accuses others of being stupid, unsofisticated or uneducated. Afterall, he is a college student so he must be smarter than the rest of us.:rolleyes:

AmPat
08-22-2008, 02:20 AM
Because somebody always has to work those dead-end jobs. What would happen if everyone thought they were above cleaning toilets, flipping burgers or patching roads? What would happen to our society?

Those jobs are there for qualified people like you to work. The better qualified get better paying jobs because they are smart enough to get them. They are smart enough to know that getting the right education qualifies them for better paying jobs. They know that they can either bitch about the low pay or DO something that WORKS like getting a better job.

We have starter homes, starter cars, and starter jobs. 20 year olds don't have $250,000 mortgages or start at the top. There is a LOGICAL reason for that.