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NJCardFan
09-01-2010, 02:20 PM
A gunman has taken over the lobby at the Discovery Channel building in Maryland and is alleged to have a bomb and possibly a hostage. It's being reported that he is an employee.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/01/maryland.discovery.channel/index.html

NJCardFan
09-01-2010, 02:44 PM
It's being reported that it's an Asian man named James J. Lee and is an apparent environmental wacko.

jendf
09-01-2010, 02:47 PM
Definitely a wackadoodle. Has a history of protesting their headquarters. Has his own website demanding things from Discovery Channel. He isn't a fan of Whale Wars apparently.

jendf
09-01-2010, 02:52 PM
AllahPundit at Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/01/gunman-holding-people-hostage-in-discovery-channel-building/)posted a little of Lee's screed:


Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking whatís left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.

For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new humanís lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!

It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. Itís like a couple are having 30 babies even though itís just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!

Also, war must be halted. Not because itís morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!

The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.

Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

Stop breeding! Save the Squirrels!!!!!!!!:eek::D

NJCardFan
09-01-2010, 02:53 PM
Definitely a wackadoodle. Has a history of protesting their headquarters. Has his own website demanding things from Discovery Channel. He isn't a fan of Whale Wars apparently.

Actually, and this is unconfirmed but this guy objects to programming showing infants. Allegedly from this nutbag: "People should live without giving birth to more filthy human children...new additions are pollution...The discovery Channel needs to stop showing programming that shows parasitic human infants."

Once again, we have madness perpetrated by another wacked out leftist. Every single time we have something like this, it's from a leftist nut. I guarantee that not once the term leftist will be used to describe this nut. However, the media won't waste a second in labeling someone a conservative or right wing, even if it isn't true. Holocaust Memorial shooter anyone?

jendf
09-01-2010, 02:59 PM
His website is down but here's a Google cache of his demands (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wRb2N5UYIwAJ:www.savetheplanetprote st.com/+savetheplanetprotest.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a).


The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:

1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!

2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.

3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!

4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??

5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!

7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!

8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You're the media, you can reach enough people. It's your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!

9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.

10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!

11. You're also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.

Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.

For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human's lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!

It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It's like a couple are having 30 babies even though it's just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!

Also, war must be halted. Not because it's morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!

The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.

Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

The humans? The planet does not need humans.

You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!

I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.

These are the demands and sayings of Lee.



I know it's a serious situation and all but these demands are hilarious. Dude is mental.

NJCardFan
09-01-2010, 03:08 PM
His website is down but here's a Google cache of his demands (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wRb2N5UYIwAJ:www.savetheplanetprote st.com/+savetheplanetprotest.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a).




I know it's a serious situation and all but these demands are hilarious. Dude is mental.

And as I said, I'm waiting with baited breath for a news outlet to label this guy as left wing. Of course we all know that if this guy was a neo-Nazi, every other word describing him would be "conservative" or "right wing".

ralph wiggum
09-01-2010, 03:20 PM
The DUmmies are trying to turn this guy into a "teabagger". :rolleyes:

It isn't going to work. This guy sounds bat-shit crazy and he's one of yours DUmmies. Suck on it.

PoliCon
09-01-2010, 03:34 PM
All human procreation and farming must cease!I agree. We should start with lefties. They should all volunteer for the death chamber for the sake of the planet.

hoplophobe
09-01-2010, 03:49 PM
The DUmmies are trying to turn this guy into a "teabagger". :rolleyes:

It isn't going to work. This guy sounds bat-shit crazy and he's one of yours DUmmies. Suck on it.

They are now trying to spin him as an anarchist because the "teabagger" label is not fitting the known facts about this guy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9057549&mesg_id=9057691

NJCardFan
09-01-2010, 03:50 PM
The DUmmies are trying to turn this guy into a "teabagger". :rolleyes:

It isn't going to work. This guy sounds bat-shit crazy and he's one of yours DUmmies. Suck on it.

Oh this guy is 100% left wing.

Arroyo_Doble
09-01-2010, 03:56 PM
Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies.

I think that is in the Arizona Republican Party platform.

Bailey
09-01-2010, 04:05 PM
Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies.

I think that is in the Arizona Republican Party platform.


Well a broken clock is right twice a day.

Odysseus
09-01-2010, 04:26 PM
The DUmmies are trying to turn this guy into a "teabagger". :rolleyes:

It isn't going to work. This guy sounds bat-shit crazy and he's one of yours DUmmies. Suck on it.

Perhaps we should do the crosswalk for them. What are Lee's positions and which political side does he appear to belong to?


The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
Looks like he's a disciple of Al Gore and an eviroloon. The preamble marks him as being on the left, at least as far as being a green.


1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 ---snip---MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!
Zero population growth and government mandates to private industry, especially media, with specific demands for content. Sounds like he could work for the current FCC. That's two leftist positions out of two.

2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.
Zero population growth and mandatory family planning? Margaret Sanger would be so proud. Another leftist position, in fact, downright Maoist. Sounds like he and Anita Dunn would see eye to eye, as Mao was her favorite political philosopher. That's three leftist positions.

3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. ---snip---WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!
So, people cause war, which kills people. You'd think that he was in favor of war, but no, he's a peace activist. A gun-toting, bomb-wearing peace activist. :rolleyes: Four for four...

4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. ---snip---Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
Militant atheist? Could go either way, since there are Libertarians who are just as militant, but they generally don't want to forcibly reduce the population through forced sterilization. I'm going to go out on a limb and call this a leftist form of atheism. That's five/zip.

5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. ---snip---FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)
One could argue that closing the borders and ending all immigration is a conservative position. He expresses it like a loon, though, but we have to play fair. 5:1 Left:right ratio.

6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! ---snip---
Global Warming? Free trade? Human economics? We've already hit the green lunacy, but the international trade and human economy tirade sounds anti-capitalist to me. 6:1

7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!
Hmmmm... Malthus has been proven wrong so many times that it's almost quaint to see someone quoting him. Darwin is generally more often cited on the left than the right, though, but even so, nobody really "owns" him politically, and the left always calls conservatives "social Darwinists." This one's a wash.

8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You're the media, you can reach enough people. It's your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!
Ooooh... Crazy PETA rant. That's 7:1. And really, babies aren't that disgusting. I've gotten used to changing diapers, and he can, too.

9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.
We've hit anti-capitalism, but why am i not surprised to see that he also has a problem with America? 8:1

10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!
Human birthing and weapons shows? Lends whole new meaning to the term "breech baby." But, we've covered the anti-war, anti-birth thing before. Now, he's just repeating himself.

11. You're also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.
He doesn't seem to grasp that the easiest way to deal with surplus population and housing shortages is through war. One good neutron bomb... But, I digress. Demanding centralized solutions to housing and unemployment is definitely a leftist trope. 9:1

Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.---snip---THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!
Nothing new here, but it's fun to read the rant.

It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. ---snip---If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!
We've been the freest, most productive nation in the world for 234 years and the rest of the planet has been going in the other direction. If anything, people do the opposite of everything we demonstrate.

Also, war must be halted. Not because it's morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!
We invented war. What more do you want?

The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.
But, doesn't television pollute? Doesn't TV production use electricity and generate pollution? Hmmmm... all this thinking.... head hurts...

Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.
Of course, the squirrels. Can't forget the squirrels. Wait, what about the chipmunks? Huh? What about them, you specieist bastard?

The humans? The planet does not need humans.
Especially humans who walk into the corporate headquarters of a cable network, brandish a weapon and expect that network to solve all of the problems of the world. That kind of human is especially unhelpful.

You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!
Because squirrels don't fill out Neilson diaries. If they did, then the Discovery Channel would target programming to them. Something like "America's Top Nuts." No, wait, that's what this guy is doing.

I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.
My suggestion would be 24/7 Robot Chicken reruns. Those action figures just crack me up.

These are the demands and sayings of Lee.
Thanks for playing, and here's Don Pardo with a copy of the home edition of oujr game.

So, how long before this guy is hired to be Obama's new green jobs czar?

Odysseus
09-01-2010, 04:34 PM
Oh this guy is 100% left wing.
95%. He managed to hit the right side of the immigration debate, but for the wrong reasons.


Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies.

I think that is in the Arizona Republican Party platform.
Especially the part about the filthy pollution babies. Arizona Republicans hate pollution babies. All those kids born with smokestacks and internally combusting... Ugh!

NJCardFan
09-01-2010, 04:34 PM
Quote:
5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. ---snip---FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)
One could argue that closing the borders and ending all immigration is a conservative position. He expresses it like a loon, though, but we have to play fair. 5:1 Left:right ratio.
Nope, his rational is 100% left wing on this as well.

Arroyo_Doble
09-01-2010, 04:39 PM
Especially the part about the filthy pollution babies. Arizona Republicans hate pollution babies. All those kids born with smokestacks and internally combusting... Ugh!

Now that's just nutty.

linda22003
09-01-2010, 04:45 PM
Well, babies ARE an environmental hazard. I've never changed a diaper, but I've seen 'em. :eek:

Arroyo_Doble
09-01-2010, 04:47 PM
Well, babies ARE an environmental hazard. I've never changed a diaper, but I've seen 'em. :eek:

The first one is the worst 'cause they've been hanging on to that sucker for months.

Odysseus
09-01-2010, 05:35 PM
The first one is the worst 'cause they've been hanging on to that sucker for months.

Nah... The first one barely has anything. The last ones are the worst, because they're on solid, grown-up foods and that's when you really get motivated to potty train.

malloc
09-01-2010, 05:42 PM
This wackjob sounds like the spokesperson for the DNC platform on coke doesn't he? Also, this is why I CCW while at work. Some people I know think it's overly paranoid or crazy, but all it takes is one psychotic employee or pissed off former employee, and everyone's day is ruined.

linda22003
09-01-2010, 05:47 PM
Happily he's been shot dead and everyone else is okay. I'm so tired of crazy people.

hampshirebrit
09-01-2010, 05:50 PM
This guy is barking fucking mad. You can tell that just by how he forms his sentences.

I'm guessing this isn't going to end well.

On edit ... just saw Linda numbers' post and indeed it has not (for him). Told ya so.

Space Gravy
09-01-2010, 06:27 PM
That's one less filthy human destroying the earth.

warpig
09-01-2010, 06:31 PM
1.76 saves the taxpayers millions............................

SarasotaRepub
09-01-2010, 07:21 PM
I wonder what his DU name will turn out to be??? :confused::p

At least the cops took him out and no one was hurt.

movie buff
09-01-2010, 08:33 PM
Aww, SarasotaRepub beat me to it!
Geez, what a miserable, cynical, and genuinely insane person this guy Lee was.
As further proof of how completely nuts he was, he actually thought just himself taking three employees hostage would be enough to make Discovery Channel completely (And presumably permanently) change its entire lineup? Don't get me wrong, thank God the hostages weren't hurt, but you'd think he'd use some more leverage for such a massive demand. Then again, as I said, that just proves how nuts he was.
At least he won't be able to poison the Earth with his vicious words and black- hearted philosophies anymore. That fact in and of itself helped to lessen a kind of social pollution, in a sense.
A couple points in response to Odysseus' excellent rebuttal of his deranged demands:
"Looks like he's a disciple of Al Gore and an eviroloon. The preamble marks him as being on the left, at least as far as being a green."
He is, indeed. In another news source on the incident I read, it said something about him unsurprisingly being a massive fan of "An Inconvenient Truth."

"And really, babies aren't that disgusting. I've gotten used to changing diapers, and he can, too."
Well, not now that he's dead, unless that'll be his punishment when he gets to Hell: Changing dirty diapers for eternity sounds like a good punishment for him, though even just being made to watch people giving birth and happily cradling their newborn children in their arms would probably be torment enough for that nihilistic, inhuman turd.

"So, how long before this guy is hired to be Obama's new green jobs czar?"
If it weren't for Lee being killed and he were just arrested, he'd probably be pardoned by Obama within a couple months, praised as a hero by Obama, Al Gore, Earth First, and all its offshoot groups, and indeed given some cushy government job.

Odysseus
09-01-2010, 09:40 PM
I wonder what his DU name will turn out to be??? :confused::p

At least the cops took him out and no one was hurt.
Except DU. One less contributor.

A couple points in response to Odysseus' excellent rebuttal of his deranged demands:

<Sally Field Mode>You like me! You really like me! :o


If it weren't for Lee being killed and he were just arrested, he'd probably be pardoned by Obama within a couple months, praised as a hero by Obama, Al Gore, Earth First, and all its offshoot groups, and indeed given some cushy government job.

Well, if he's dead, he can't be Obama's green jobs czar, but he can still vote in Illinois. :D

PoliCon
09-01-2010, 11:40 PM
Does this stupid fuck not realize that excluding immigration, the US and most western nations are on the verge of negative birth rates??

NJCardFan
09-02-2010, 12:16 AM
I wonder what his DU name will turn out to be??? :confused::p

At least the cops took him out and no one was hurt.

I bet he was a DUer. And I hate to beat a dead horse, but not one mention of his ideology. This guy was a left wing loon if there ever was one yet not one mention of liberal or left wing ideology. As I said, had this person been a neo-nazi, the terms right wing and conservative would have been used countless times.

linda22003
09-02-2010, 08:31 AM
I think it's pointless to ascribe any real political bent to someone who was simply psychotic. I'm just glad he went out alone without taking anyone with him.

Odysseus
09-02-2010, 09:29 AM
Does this stupid fuck not realize that excluding immigration, the US and most western nations are on the verge of negative birth rates??
You read his manifesto. He was impervious to facts. Do you think that any of the other zero-population tools at DU are any more open to new informaiton?

I bet he was a DUer. And I hate to beat a dead horse, but not one mention of his ideology. This guy was a left wing loon if there ever was one yet not one mention of liberal or left wing ideology. As I said, had this person been a neo-nazi, the terms right wing and conservative would have been used countless times.
The DUers are trying to spin him as an anti-immigration guy. It's actually kind of funny that so many of them object to calling him an "environmentalist." (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4525664&mesg_id=4525664)
The media buys into the trope that calling someone a leftist, socialist, communist or any of the other terms their for believers that they have rendered toxic through, well, experience with them, is a vicious slander. Thus, there are not now, nor have there ever been left wing nutters, socialists or communists, (except for Stalin, maybe, and they think that he just didn't do it right), and anyone who says otherwise is the second coming of Joe McCarthy. They are now progressives, and since progressives are anti-war, anti-capitalist and anti-Western Civilization, unlike this guy, who was... okay, he was anti-war, anti-capitalist and anti-Western Civilization, but he was also anti-immigration, so that means that he must have been a right wing nutter, because nothing bad ever comes from the left...

I think it's pointless to ascribe any real political bent to someone who was simply psychotic. I'm just glad he went out alone without taking anyone with him.
I agree that it's good that he didn't take anyone with him, but no matter how crazy he is (and the term "bat$#/+" comes to mind), his very detailed manifesto could have been lifted off of PETA's webside. Except for the live ordnance, this guy would have been perfectly at home at DU, or any of the nutty left enviro-wackjob organizations that run around splashing paint on old ladies in fur coats (but never bikers in leather... funny about that...) and otherwise making a nuisance of themselves in support of their idiocy. I'd be shocked if Lee hadn't been around for at least one anti-globalization riot. His manifesto differed from Gore's book in that Gore had a proofreader and an editor (and, to be fair, I can't imagine Gore showing that much emotion), but otherwise, this guy was a perfect fit for the left, and the proof is how hard they are working to spin him.

NJCardFan
09-02-2010, 11:45 AM
I think it's pointless to ascribe any real political bent to someone who was simply psychotic. I'm just glad he went out alone without taking anyone with him.

That's an apologists spin on it. Did conservatives get any such leeway when the media described McVeigh or Rudolph? No, they tried to paint those people as representative of the entire conservative movement. I can guarantee you that if even one nutbag does something similar and claim it in the name of the Tea Parties, you can bet your bippy that the leftist media will fall all over themselves filling their articles with terms like "right wing", "conservative" an worse yet, paint that person as representative of the millions of Tea Party supporters. For you to deny this fact is sugarcoating the news.

linda22003
09-02-2010, 11:53 AM
That's an apologists spin on it. Did conservatives get any such leeway when the media described McVeigh or Rudolph? No, they tried to paint those people as representative of the entire conservative movement. I can guarantee you that if even one nutbag does something similar and claim it in the name of the Tea Parties, you can bet your bippy that the leftist media will fall all over themselves filling their articles with terms like "right wing", "conservative" an worse yet, paint that person as representative of the millions of Tea Party supporters. For you to deny this fact is sugarcoating the news.

OK, that's a fair point. :)

Rebel Yell
09-02-2010, 12:29 PM
OK, that's a fair point. :)

That's the only real point.

Are there people on the right who would love to paint all environmentalists with that same brush? Of course. Does he represent all leftists? No. Does he represent even half of them? No. Is Al Gore the blame for inciting him to violence? Of course not.

If he was a right winger, would the media paint all of us as extremists? They already try to with the Muslim cabbie getting sliced up. Does that guy represent all right wingers? According to the media, he does. Is the Tea Party and Beck to blame for the cabbie getting sliced up? If you listen to the media, you'd think so.

People on the right just want the same benefit of the doubt that the left gets. We get tired of Headline: "right winger blows up Federal Building" vs. "Lone psycho holds up Discovery Channel building".

NJCardFan
09-02-2010, 01:32 PM
That's the only real point.

Are there people on the right who would love to paint all environmentalists with that same brush? Of course. Does he represent all leftists? No. Does he represent even half of them? No. Is Al Gore the blame for inciting him to violence? Of course not.

If he was a right winger, would the media paint all of us as extremists? They already try to with the Muslim cabbie getting sliced up. Does that guy represent all right wingers? According to the media, he does. Is the Tea Party and Beck to blame for the cabbie getting sliced up? If you listen to the media, you'd think so.

People on the right just want the same benefit of the doubt that the left gets. We get tired of Headline: "right winger blows up Federal Building" vs. "Lone psycho holds up Discovery Channel building".

Worse yet, right wingers and Tea Partiers get blamed for stuff that turned out to be done by leftists and there is never a correction or apology from the left. Ever. Look at the census worker murder. It turned out he committed suicide. Here are 2 blogs from 2 idiots on Huffpo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gail-mcgowan-mellor/the-hanged-census-worker_b_300898.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-m-benjamin/sparkman-casualty-of-meth_b_300156.html

Both blamed this on anti-government sentiment which, of course, mean Tea Parties. When it was determined that the man killed himself, the response? Cricket chirps. This is how the left works.

Odysseus
09-02-2010, 03:33 PM
That's the only real point.

Are there people on the right who would love to paint all environmentalists with that same brush? Of course. Does he represent all leftists? No. Does he represent even half of them? No. Is Al Gore the blame for inciting him to violence? Of course not.

If he was a right winger, would the media paint all of us as extremists? They already try to with the Muslim cabbie getting sliced up. Does that guy represent all right wingers? According to the media, he does. Is the Tea Party and Beck to blame for the cabbie getting sliced up? If you listen to the media, you'd think so.

People on the right just want the same benefit of the doubt that the left gets. We get tired of Headline: "right winger blows up Federal Building" vs. "Lone psycho holds up Discovery Channel building".

Except that this guy actually said that Gore's movie "awakened" him. Let's play "Who said it?":


"Find solutions for global warming, automotive pollution, international trade, factory pollution, and... the destruction of the planet!"


"assault on the earth is breathtaking, and the horrific consequences are occurring so quickly as to defy our capacity to recognize them, comprehend their global implications, and organize an appropriate and timely response. Isolated pockets of resistance fighters who have experienced this juggernaut at first hand have begun to fight back in inspiring but, in the final analysis, woefully inadequate ways."


"One of the effects of the intrusion of industrial society has been that over much of the world traditional controls on population have been thrown out of balance. Hence the population explosion, with all that it implies...No one knows what will happen as a result of ozone depletion, the greenhouse effect and other environmental problems that cannot yet be foreseen."

The first was by Jason Jay Lee. The second, Al Gore, in his book, Earth In The Balance. The third, and surprisingly, the best written, was by Ted Kaczynski, a.k.a. the Unabomber. Oh, and guess what they found in Kaczynski's shack: Yep, a copy of Earth In The Balance.

I submit that under the rules established by the media, he does represent all leftists and environmentalists and Al Gore did incite him. The headlines should read:

Leftwing Environmentalist Whack Job Takes Hostages in Discovery Channel Building.
Leftist Disciple of Al Gore Holds Up Discovery Channel, Demands More Leftist Programming.
Did Hateful Environmentalist Rhetoric Against BP Lead Lee to Rampage?
Crazy Discovery Channel Gunman: "I did it for the squirrels! Especially the squirrels!"