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PoliCon
09-05-2010, 01:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX864fXR1A0

hazlnut
09-05-2010, 09:30 AM
A black teatard. Interesting.

Brainwashing, stupidity, and fear are colorblind.

I think we already knew that, but thanks anyway.

PoliCon
09-05-2010, 09:32 AM
A black teatard. Interesting.

Brainwashing, stupidity, and fear are colorblind.

I think we already knew that, but thanks anyway.

Ya know what - I'm gonna lobby the staff to put you under the same constraitints Satanicus was under. You don't get to post until you answer questions.

hazlnut
09-05-2010, 09:34 AM
Ya know what - I'm gonna lobby the staff to put you under the same constraitints Satanicus was under. You don't get to post until you answer questions.

He says as he asks no questions...
:p:p:p

PoliCon
09-05-2010, 09:35 AM
He says as he asks no questions...
:p:p:p

You have been asked in other threads Blarch. There is no need to question a fucktard response like you just gave.

hazlnut
09-05-2010, 09:41 AM
You have been asked in other threads Blarch. There is no need to question a fucktard response like you just gave.

Look, I will always respect your stance on the bigots and racists on this board, but as far as the teabrain thang... I have to mock that at every turn.:D

PoliCon
09-05-2010, 09:54 AM
Right because it's not at all bigoted to accuse someone of being 'teabrain' or mocking people whose policy choices you clearly do not understand. :rolleyes:

NJCardFan
09-05-2010, 11:03 AM
A black teatard. Interesting.

Brainwashing, stupidity, and fear are colorblind.

I think we already knew that, but thanks anyway.

Dispute anything she said. Instead of resorting to the usual liberal name calling and marginalizing, show me where this woman is wrong. You are an ass and a coward. Which is typical of your ilk. You won't debate issues, you act like children and call people names. Nice. Thank you for proving all of us right.

Lager
09-05-2010, 11:04 AM
Look, I will always respect your stance on the bigots and racists on this board, but as far as the teabrain thang... I have to mock that at every turn.:D

What are you mocking, exactly? and why? Do you like to sit on the sidelines and laugh and point fingers at what others do? Do you reserve the same judgement for the fringe that turns out at world trade protests, global warming summits or gay pride events? It's great to live in a country that offers that comfortable kind of entertainment.

Zathras
09-05-2010, 11:12 AM
Hmmmm, I think it's time to treat hazlnut's posts with what they deserve....and on that note...


http://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/0b389b6a-024a-44e4-a481-9049cd807b87.jpg

Fixed for accuracy.

hazlnut
09-05-2010, 11:17 AM
Here's another great video about blacks at the Tea Party rally...

I challenge you to watch to 1:30 mark... Trust me, it's classic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA7GvNYAVyY

at 1:54 I fell out of my chair...

NJCardFan
09-05-2010, 11:37 AM
Hey fuckdick, I guess this asshole forgot about the blacks who were on the stage, huh? I guess this biased asshole in your video forgot that MLK's niece spoke at this rally. Thanks for proving the point that you people are the racist ones and not conservatives. You see, we don't want blacks at our rallies, we want patriots and Americans at our rallies and this includes all colors and heritages. YOU fuckbags are the ones who inject race into the conversation. Now, let's play "count the blacks". Lets start with anti-war protests, shall we?
http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0406/Democrats_anti-war_rally_NY_Image2.jpg
No black faces in that pick(not counting the hippies who haven't bathed in weeks)

http://blog.oregonlive.com/news_impact/2009/03/protest.JPG
No blacks here either...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/London_anti-war_protest_banners.jpg/300px-London_anti-war_protest_banners.jpg
Don't see a lot of black faces here either...

And what rebuttal would be complete without video goodness...notice the lack of black faces in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL_Flxhqyqc

So, I ask you FuckDick, why aren't there any black faces at anti-war protests? Huh? Why are they predominantly white? I guess it's ok as long as it's a liberal rally, huh?

NJCardFan
09-05-2010, 11:49 AM
Let's continue with count the blacks, shall we?

http://static.flickr.com/31/57164730_51b79ccbef_o.jpg
Don't see any blacks here...

http://www.gazettechicago.com/img/jan10/04.jpg
The only black guy in this pic is a cop, he doesn't count...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/0119-02.jpg
Can you see any blacks? I can't...


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/0119-01.jpg

Nope, no blacks here either.

In other words...why is it OK that anti war and environmental protests are predominantly white but you "progressives" don't say boo? Answer the question Hazldick and don't be a coward. Liberal hypocrisy at it's best.

Lager
09-05-2010, 11:58 AM
The woman in the original video brought up some good points. I suspect you stopped listening after you heard her views on abortion. She talked about the low numbers of two parent families in black households. She talked about school choice as a way out of failing public schools in some inner cities. Those are hardly "brainwashed" opinions. Other than your sarcastic ridicule, do you offer or support any alternative responses to the problems she raised?

NJCardFan
09-05-2010, 12:07 PM
Yeah, the Tea Parties are so racist. :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsnWLLdl70

How come you rarely, if ever, see blacks speak at anti-war rallies or environmental rallies? Can you answer that Hazldick? C'mon you coward, answer these questions.

NJCardFan
09-05-2010, 12:09 PM
The woman in the original video brought up some good points. I suspect you stopped listening after you heard her views on abortion. She talked about the low numbers of two parent families in black households. She talked about school choice as a way out of failing public schools in some inner cities. Those are hardly "brainwashed" opinions. Other than your sarcastic ridicule, do you offer or support any alternative responses to the problems she raised?

I asked the same thing but Hazldick is a coward and won't answer that. I specifically called Hazldick out to counter that woman's issues and he refuses. He's nothing but a typical hypocritical liberal coward.

Lager
09-05-2010, 12:27 PM
What I've noticed about a majority of lib posters here, is how sarcasm seems to be the favored way of responding to ideas they all disagree with. Perhaps that's one of the reasons Colbert's style of narcissism is so popular with so called progressives. It must be fine entertainment to able to laugh at the dregs of society from your latte' world while you deftly operate your laptops and iphones to share the latest buffoonery on your social networks. How nice to alleviate the boredom from all that slack time our modern world offers us.

What is the point whether blacks turn out in numbers to a conservative rally? Because they don't show up, does that mean they aren't welcome or are purposely excluded? Does it mean the message is weak? The term 'brainwashed' was used in an earlier post. Is it brainwashing when the left constantly reinforces the idea that all conservatives are racist? What else would you call it when an ethnic group has been persuaded that your side is the only one that offers policies that are beneficial to them and they still overwhelming believe that lie, even after decades of failure of those policies?

PoliCon
09-05-2010, 01:37 PM
Here's another great video about blacks at the Tea Party rally...

I challenge you to watch to 1:30 mark... Trust me, it's classic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA7GvNYAVyY

at 1:54 I fell out of my chair...

And how many people did he have to interview to get the quotes he got? And how did he paint himself in the process of asking those questions? And why is it so edited? OH I KNOW - because he has an agenda and he clipped and edited and spun things to prove his agenda. HOW SHOCKING. :rolleyes:

PoliCon
09-05-2010, 01:39 PM
I asked the same thing but Hazldick is a coward and won't answer that. I specifically called Hazldick out to counter that woman's issues and he refuses. He's nothing but a typical hypocritical liberal coward.

It's time for hazlnut to get the full blarch treatment. No posts until he answers direct questions.

Apache
09-05-2010, 01:50 PM
at 1:54 I fell out of my chair...

Yeah I know what you mean, that was some really crappy editting and the foley work sucked! Good catch!

Zathras
09-05-2010, 02:24 PM
Here's another great video about blacks at the Tea Party rally...

I challenge you to watch to 1:30 mark... Trust me, it's classic!.

Hmmm the title of the video "That's Bullshit"....seems to be perfect for it since that's what it is, total bullshit.

And, once again derpnut, you have your head stuck in rectal defelade as the 8/28 rally WAS NOT a Tea Party rally.


at 1:54 I fell out of my chair...

Well, if you'd stop taking all those drugs, you wouldn't have problems sitting in a chair like a normal person.

Zathras
09-05-2010, 02:27 PM
It's time for hazlnut to get the full blarch treatment. No posts until he answers direct questions.

Agreed and any threads he/she/it starts go to the SLT forum.

NJCardFan
09-05-2010, 04:00 PM
Hazldick, you are wanted in the dome, coward.

NJCardFan
09-05-2010, 04:56 PM
Brainwashing, stupidity, and fear are colorblind.



You mean like...

"The Tea Parties are racist" even though this has been proven wrong time and time again.

"The racist element of the Tea Parties" even though none have been specifically pointed out, just generalized.

"A black congressman was spat on and called the N word" even though not one shred of evidence has been brought forward even though there is a $100K bounty for evidence.

"Then guy who flew his plane into the IRS building in Austin Texas was a tea partier" even though it was proven, in short order, that this guy was a leftist nutbag.

"The guy who took over the Discovery Channel building is anti-immigration hence he is a conservative" even though he was an environmental wacko through and through.

Shall I continue or have I made my point?

JB
09-05-2010, 05:37 PM
"Republicans and conservatives don't run the inner cities in America. Democrats and liberals do. So why are there still problems? Why don't they hold those people accountable?"

Great line and great questions lady. Maybe Hazlfuknut has an answer.

Lager
09-05-2010, 06:19 PM
"Republicans and conservatives don't run the inner cities in America. Democrats and liberals do. So why are there still problems? Why don't they hold those people accountable?"

Great line and great questions lady. Maybe Hazlfuknut has an answer.

That's a fantastic line. I was raised in Chicago. The city has been run by dems forever, and the state government a majority of the time as well. Yet the inner city is crumbling and is plagued by gang violence. See how that has worked out for poor minorities so far?

NJCardFan
09-05-2010, 07:01 PM
That's a fantastic line. I was raised in Chicago. The city has been run by dems forever, and the state government a majority of the time as well. Yet the inner city is crumbling and is plagued by gang violence. See how that has worked out for poor minorities so far?
Most if not all of your major cities are Democratically run and have been so for decades. Philadelphia hasn't had a Republican mayor since the 50's. LA, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, St. Louis, Cleveland, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, and even New York city have been predominantly run by Democrats. And these cities for the most part are crime ridden shit holes.

Odysseus
09-05-2010, 07:08 PM
Brainwashing, stupidity, and fear are colorblind.

Well, yeah. You're proof of that.

PoliCon
09-05-2010, 07:15 PM
Most if not all of your major cities are Democratically run and have been so for decades. Philadelphia hasn't had a Republican mayor since the 50's. LA, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, St. Louis, Cleveland, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, and even New York city have been predominantly run by Democrats. And these cities for the most part are crime ridden shit holes.

ROTFL!! You need to leave Pittsburgh out of that statement if you want it to hold water. I'm not just saying that because I live here and love the city - I'm saying that because Pittsburgh keeps being voted Most Livable City for a reason.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10124/1055313-53.stm

NJCardFan
09-05-2010, 09:55 PM
ROTFL!! You need to leave Pittsburgh out of that statement if you want it to hold water. I'm not just saying that because I live here and love the city - I'm saying that because Pittsburgh keeps being voted Most Livable City for a reason.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10124/1055313-53.stm

I guess you missed where I said "for the most part". :rolleyes:

PoliCon
09-05-2010, 10:36 PM
I guess you missed where I said "for the most part". :rolleyes:

and you would be right - if you left pgh OFF your list. :p

NJCardFan
09-05-2010, 10:53 PM
and you would be right - if you left pgh OFF your list. :p

Pittsburgh sucks ass. The Pirates? When was their last winning season? And then you have cry baby Crosby and not to mention those cheating Steelers. :p

PoliCon
09-05-2010, 10:58 PM
Pittsburgh sucks ass. The Pirates? When was their last winning season? And then you have cry baby Crosby and not to mention those cheating Steelers. :p

and yet - we have been voted most livable city how many more times than your home town? And how many more superbowls do we have than your team does? As for the Pirates - they do truly suck - but more the fault of management than the city. They care more about their bottom line then they do about winning.

NJCardFan
09-05-2010, 11:03 PM
and yet - we have been voted most livable city how many more times than your home town? And how many more superbowls do we have than your team does? As for the Pirates - they do truly suck - but more the fault of management than the city. They care more about their bottom line then they do about winning.

You have Super Bowls because you guys pay off the officials. Ben Roethisberger still hasn't crossed the goalline in the Seattle game. Cheaters. On the flip side, how many World Series' has the Pirates won in your lifetime? At least I can claim 2. And Hazldick still hasn't answered the call to the dome.

PoliCon
09-05-2010, 11:06 PM
You have Super Bowls because you guys pay off the officials. Ben Roethisberger still hasn't crossed the goalline in the Seattle game. Cheaters. On the flip side, how many World Series' has the Pirates won in your lifetime? At least I can claim 2.

In my lifetime? None. But we have the best farm team in the major leagues. :p

Constitutionally Speaking
09-06-2010, 06:31 PM
Look, I will always respect your stance on the bigots and racists on this board, but as far as the teabrain thang... I have to mock that at every turn.:D

What do you have against our Constitution as it was understood at its ratification???

NJCardFan
09-06-2010, 07:28 PM
What do you have against our Constitution as it was understood at its ratification???

If you're expecting an answer, don't hold your breath. Hazldick is a coward.

Odysseus
09-06-2010, 08:55 PM
What do you have against our Constitution as it was understood at its ratification???

It stands in the way of his agenda. Government can't create paradise on Earth as long as those pesky restraints are in place.

hazlnut
09-08-2010, 02:53 PM
Hazldick, you are wanted in the dome, coward.

Some time ago, I was advised by two members of CU (one a Mod) to stay out of the dome.

But let me sum up the utter stupidity of all your comments in this thread -- you're saying that my position is there were no blacks at the latest Teabrain rally on 8/28, correct?

You're either stupid beyond help or you didn't watch the video I posted that first showed a man stating he saw two or three blacks on the train coming to the tally, and, later in the video, a black man was clearly seen posing for pictures with two men carrying signs. If my position was there were no blacks among the 87,000 people, why would I post a video showing one??

Exactly when/how did I say there were no blacks at the 8/28 Beckian revival??

Re: The video -- If you don't see how two men posing for pictures with one older black man is sadly humorous (as in teabaggers trying so damn hard to prove they're not racist), the video went right over your head.

My opinion of the Tea Party has always been: A great idea hijacked by a hodgepodge of far-rights, birthers, ultra-conservatives now calling themselves 'Libertarian' and, sadly, a handful of people who don't like Obama because of the color of his skin... Yes, racists. Efforts to get rid of or hide the racists seem superficial, like not allowing signs + inviting black speakers and musicians. And posting for pictures with a black guy...

Here's the statement: "We need to take our country back..."

Every time someone says that, there is something in parentheses that comes after it...

"We need to take our country back...(from..???)"

For the various 'factions' of the Tea Party the answer is different:
*From The Dems
*From the Politicians
*From the Fed Gov
*From the Progressives
*From the Socialists/Communists/Tyrants
*From the black guy in the white house

I don't know what the percentage breakdown is for the all these positions -- but none of them are 0%.

As far as your totally pointless effort at posting photos of various left-leaning rallies and asking: "Where are the black people?" -- I have to wonder, are you a total freaking idiot or what??

Let me ask you this: At these random left-leaning events, where are the white people trying really hard to prove to the media that they're not racist. That's the point, NJCardman.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2791/4386566994_3ab8014400.jpg

FlaGator
09-08-2010, 03:27 PM
Look, I will always respect your stance on the bigots and racists on this board, but as far as the teabrain thang... I have to mock that at every turn.:D

People tend to mock what they fear... it's called whistling past the graveyard.

Lager
09-08-2010, 03:59 PM
My opinion of the Tea Party has always been: A great idea hijacked by...

Really? You think the Tea Party was a great idea? Since you never ascribe anything positive to it, what do you think was great about it?

Zathras
09-08-2010, 08:01 PM
http://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/0b389b6a-024a-44e4-a481-9049cd807b87.jpg

Fixed for accuracy.

Hey DUmbass, no one here gives a flying fuck about your opinions or anything you have to say so shut the fuck up and take a long walk off a short pier.

hazlnut
09-08-2010, 08:42 PM
Really? You think the Tea Party was a great idea? Since you never ascribe anything positive to it, what do you think was great about it?

Fiscal conservatism / Gov. accountability. - the original pitch I heard back in April 09 was we don't like how the Fed misspends our money - to me that referred to bailouts, wars, and wasteful programs.

My first encounter at a rally was an 'Obama is a Tyrant' sign and the first conversation I listened to was complaints about CA limits on ammunition purchases--because Obama was 'going to ban guns.' It's was downhill from that point on. I became turned off immediately by what I perceived to be far-right ideologues. It was less than 3 months into Obama's presidency and everything was his fault. And he was a muslim who wasn't even born here.

When I dared to ask regarding the Auto bailout, 'what is the alternative' -- Let'em fail was the best solution I heard that day.

The tea party in its present form continues to be the same hodgepodge of what I saw at that first rally -- so, no, I can't attribute anything positive to it.

Rockntractor
09-08-2010, 08:45 PM
My first encounter at a rally was an 'Obama is a Tyrant' sign and the first conversation I listened to was complaints about CA limits on ammunition purchases--because Obama was 'going to ban guns.' It's was downhill from that point on. I became turned off immediately by what I perceived to be far-right ideologues.
Do you consider the framers of our constitution far right?

malloc
09-08-2010, 08:47 PM
Let'em fail was the best solution I heard that day.


What's your solution then?

NJCardFan
09-08-2010, 08:49 PM
I'm a pussy and have nothing intelligent to add except for this....DERP!

Fixed


It was less than 3 months into Obama's presidency and everything was his fault.

Is that any different than being handed the Nobel Peace Prize in a short amount of time? Something tells me you were fine with that. Hypocrite.

hazlnut
09-08-2010, 09:45 PM
What's your solution then?

The Auto bailouts were essentially a government managed fast-tracked chapter 11--the argument being that a normal bankruptcy reorganization would take too long to implement and the negative PR would permanently damage the American auto brands.

The terms of the bailout were different for all 3--Ford was in much better shape than GM or Chrysler. IMO they were pragmatic but overly favorable to companies that mismanaged themselves into trouble.

The philosophy behind a most of the bail-out 'strategy' was:

*save Detroit from an estimated double-digit hit on already deflated real estate prices.
*get GM/Chrysler to fast-track new models.
*save the key brands and help them become competitive again

*I'm honestly not clear on how the outrageous $70/hour union wage was dealt with -- if you have info on this pls PM me.

Rockntractor
09-08-2010, 09:49 PM
The Auto bailouts were essentially a government managed fast-tracked chapter 11--the argument being that a normal bankruptcy reorganization would take too long to implement and the negative PR would permanently damage the American auto brands.

The terms of the bailout were different for all 3--Ford was in much better shape than GM or Chrysler. IMO they were pragmatic but overly favorable to companies that mismanaged themselves into trouble.

The philosophy behind a most of the bail-out 'strategy' was:

*save Detroit from an estimated double-digit hit on already deflated real estate prices.
*get GM/Chrysler to fast-track new models.
*save the key brands and help them become competitive again

*I'm honestly not clear on how the outrageous $70/hour union wage was dealt with -- if you have info on this pls PM me.
There were no terms of bailout for Ford that I am aware of, correct me if I'm wrong.

PoliCon
09-08-2010, 09:53 PM
Dumbass - if they had gone bankrupt the old fashioned way - they would have been able to reorganize and escape from bad labor contracts and from a failed business model. This way was not about saving the company - it was about saving the union contracts. :rolleyes: wake up and smell the paid non-union protesters.

hazlnut
09-08-2010, 10:42 PM
Fixed



Is that any different than being handed the Nobel Peace Prize in a short amount of time? Something tells me you were fine with that. Hypocrite.

Holy fuckerdash!!

After all that bitching and whining about: He won't answer my questions, why, why....*sniffle, sniffle* why won't he answer me??

After all that chest-pounding and demanding an answer to your stupid fucking questions--that's all you got?? That's the best response you can muster??

You come off like an inbred version of Biff from Back to the Future... And who the hell knows what that brain-fart about a Nobel Prize even means... Next time, just grunt, you'll make more sense.

hazlnut
09-08-2010, 11:27 PM
There were no terms of bailout for Ford that I am aware of, correct me if I'm wrong.

Ford proposed some numbers at the beginning, but ended up only securing a line of credit in case they required a bridging loan. Ford's position was mostly vulnerable in that they shared suppliers with the other 2.


Dumbass - if they had gone bankrupt the old fashioned way - they would have been able to reorganize and escape from bad labor contracts and from a failed business model. This way was not about saving the company - it was about saving the union contracts. :rolleyes: wake up and smell the paid non-union protesters.

Poli -- when you only possess a simpleminded understanding of a complex business/legal/economic issue, it's best not to preface your comments with 'Dumbass'.

"they would have been able to reorganize and escape from bad labor contracts..." is not exactly how it works. Chapter 11 involves judges, trustees making decisions and can last anywhere from a few months to several years depending on the size and complexity. Buyer confidence in the American auto brand and the warranty would have been greatly weakened -- and tremendously hindered the return to a normal sales volume.

The union contracts sucked. But with a Dem Pres and congress, they got the protection they paid for with campaign contributions.

However, even conservatives understood what the overnight loss of 1 million jobs would mean to the affected area. Michigan would have become the new Alaska--a welfare state relying on federal support and handouts for a decade. The 3 Auto Co's originally estimated that their demise would result in 3 million layoffs--even if they were being overly dramatic and the real number was only 1.5 millions, that's still well outside the acceptable formula used by economists.

Instead, the Fed Gov made loans at 1 pt above standard rate. Loans have been paid back. The GM / Chrysler brand name sustained minor damage. Again, I'm not clear on what concessions if any, the UAW got.

Here's some facts you should know:
*Employment in the industry has risen over the past year.
*The carmakers are now running at or near a profit.
*A Chrysler plant near Detroit hired 1,100 works this summer.

Link to article backing up these facts. (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0730/Obama-Detroit-auto-bailout-was-unpopular-but-it-worked)

Rockntractor
09-08-2010, 11:47 PM
Ford proposed some numbers at the beginning, but ended up only securing a line of credit in case they required a bridging loan. Ford's position was mostly vulnerable in that they shared suppliers with the other 2.




Now I remember but they didn't need the line of credit.

Zathras
09-09-2010, 02:33 AM
http://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/0b389b6a-024a-44e4-a481-9049cd807b87.jpg

Fixed for accuracy.

malloc
09-09-2010, 04:28 AM
The Auto bailouts were essentially a government managed fast-tracked chapter 11--the argument being that a normal bankruptcy reorganization would take too long to implement and the negative PR would permanently damage the American auto brands.

The terms of the bailout were different for all 3--Ford was in much better shape than GM or Chrysler. IMO they were pragmatic but overly favorable to companies that mismanaged themselves into trouble.

The philosophy behind a most of the bail-out 'strategy' was:

*save Detroit from an estimated double-digit hit on already deflated real estate prices.
*get GM/Chrysler to fast-track new models.
*save the key brands and help them become competitive again

*I'm honestly not clear on how the outrageous $70/hour union wage was dealt with -- if you have info on this pls PM me.


Oh. My. God. You are a complete economic brick. You have no idea of the difference between a free market, and a fascist market.

Thank you for your input. You have just proved to all here that you don't what the hell you are talking about. If you cannot find an economic depravity within your 3 big asterisk points, you simply are incapable of defending yourself within the discussion that is about to take place. For your own sake, I'd suggest you just forget you think you know something about the big motor bailouts. and their wider Macro view. Your original post has been so wrong already. I'm giving you a gentleman's window; learn the material, or get the hell out.

Constitutionally Speaking
09-09-2010, 06:28 AM
The Auto bailouts were essentially a government managed fast-tracked chapter 11--the argument being that a normal bankruptcy reorganization would take too long to implement and the negative PR would permanently damage the American auto brands.

The terms of the bailout were different for all 3--Ford was in much better shape than GM or Chrysler. IMO they were pragmatic but overly favorable to companies that mismanaged themselves into trouble.

The philosophy behind a most of the bail-out 'strategy' was:

*save Detroit from an estimated double-digit hit on already deflated real estate prices.
*get GM/Chrysler to fast-track new models.
*save the key brands and help them become competitive again

*I'm honestly not clear on how the outrageous $70/hour union wage was dealt with -- if you have info on this pls PM me.


New hires bear most of the burden on the wage issue.


On the retirement plans I CAN tell exactly how they dealt with it. They gave the union pension fund which owned COMMON stock preference over bondholders and other higher preferential security holders. In other words, they STOLE the money from people who had legal rights to be paid BEFORE the common stockholders were.

NJCardFan
09-09-2010, 08:52 AM
The Auto bailouts were essentially a government managed fast-tracked chapter 11--the argument being that a normal bankruptcy reorganization would take too long to implement and the negative PR would permanently damage the American auto brands.

Teh Stupid is strong with this one. So you see no problem with this, huh? In that case, why didn't the gubment step in and take over Circuit City? Or K-Mart, who, incidentally, re-organized to the point that they eventually ended up buying out Sears. Also, the government didn't buy out any airlines, did they? You had Delta, USAir & United file for chapter 11 and they're still around. And don't give me the post 9/11 bailout crap because not only was that 100% necessary because of outside circumstances, not because of mismanagement and the money given were loans, not free money like Obumble gave GM. But you're chicken shit anyway and won't answer any of the counters given here so I digress.

hazlnut
09-09-2010, 10:52 AM
Right because it's not at all bigoted to accuse someone of being 'teabrain' or mocking people whose policy choices you clearly do not understand. :rolleyes:

Bigoted and calling out Teatards...??:confused::confused:

Seriously, Poli?

PoliCon
09-09-2010, 11:51 AM
Bigoted and calling out Teatards...??:confused::confused:

Seriously, Poli?

Irrational hatred of a group of people whom you have painted with a broad brush - that's pretty much the definition of bigotry. So yes. Seriously.

PoliCon
09-09-2010, 11:56 AM
Oh. My. God. You are a complete economic brick. You have no idea of the difference between a free market, and a fascist market.

Thank you for your input. You have just proved to all here that you don't what the hell you are talking about. If you cannot find an economic depravity within your 3 big asterisk points, you simply are incapable of defending yourself within the discussion that is about to take place. For your own sake, I'd suggest you just forget you think you know something about the big motor bailouts. and their wider Macro view. Your original post has been so wrong already. I'm giving you a gentleman's window; learn the material, or get the hell out.

The poor sod thinks he's smart because he can spew Keynesian economic talking points. :rolleyes: He assumes that the shut down of GM would have instantly resulted in 1,000,000 jobs lost because if GM stops existing all of a sudden - GM cars already on the road would stop requiring replacement parts. :rolleyes: He also assumes that none of the other car manufacturers in the world would step into the gap - hire displaced workers and take over closed plants. :rolleyes: And he calls ME simple minded.