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FlaGator
09-07-2010, 12:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MDnjN3CP4E&feature=player_embedded

Gingersnap
09-07-2010, 12:54 PM
LOL! So close to the truth that it hurts. :D

Wei Wu Wei
09-07-2010, 01:05 PM
lol the fundamentalist reaction to even the most rudimentary sense of apparent relativism

FlaGator
09-07-2010, 01:09 PM
LOL! So close to the truth that it hurts. :D

I though the same thing.

The fact that the whole concept of the progressive church is a form of idolatry where their god is created and recreated based on what "feels good" to them and ignores what iGod has stated is good would crack me up if the long term ramifications weren't so sad.

Wei Wu Wei
09-07-2010, 01:23 PM
A Christian Teen Guide to Postmodernism

http://www.ucg.org/teenstudy/fg_postmodernism.htm



Summary

1. What expressions have you heard that you think fit with the postmodern worldview?

"Do what is right in your own eyes."
"Everything is up for individual interpretation."

Gingersnap
09-07-2010, 01:28 PM
A Christian Teen Guide to Postmodernism

http://www.ucg.org/teenstudy/fg_postmodernism.htm

Why did you post this particular link? Did you not know what postmodernism is or why it would be a discussion topic among Christian youth groups? :confused:

noonwitch
09-07-2010, 01:33 PM
Nothing about "progressive" churches is this simplistic.

Even conservatives pick and choose which scriptures are meant literally and which aren't. If they didn't, they'd be maiming themselves whenever they sinned, and since all are sinners, they'd all be looking like the Black Knight in Monty Python and The Holy Grail after a few weeks, since it is better to lose one's hand than allow it to be used for sin.

FlaGator
09-07-2010, 01:48 PM
Nothing about "progressive" churches is this simplistic.

Even conservatives pick and choose which scriptures are meant literally and which aren't. If they didn't, they'd be maiming themselves whenever they sinned, and since all are sinners, they'd all be looking like the Black Knight in Monty Python and The Holy Grail after a few weeks, since it is better to lose one's hand than allow it to be used for sin.

Some scripture is obviously not literal. When Christ says that I am the door he is not saying that he is a object made of wood with hinges and something to grasp to help open him. However when Christ says that "no one comes to the Father except through me" we can take him literally. It is also pretty easy to tell when Christ is speaking hyperbole as in "if you eye causes you to sin then pluck it out" verses a command like "anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me." This last one is interesting in that it is a specific command that uses a metaphor but yet the meaning is obvious since not every has been is to be nailed to a cross yet we are to carry our burdens as Christ carried his.

noonwitch
09-07-2010, 03:20 PM
Why did you post this particular link? Did you not know what postmodernism is or why it would be a discussion topic among Christian youth groups? :confused:


It's an interesting link, even for postmodern christians like myself. :)

Rockntractor
09-07-2010, 06:38 PM
It's an interesting link, even for postmodern christians like myself. :)

I don't care much for Post Modern Cereal, I prefer Calvin Crunch, I can't help it!
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/calvin-crunch-cereal1.jpg?t=1283899010

PoliCon
09-07-2010, 07:06 PM
Ah extremism. You have to laugh when people on one extreme attack the other.

Rockntractor
09-07-2010, 07:15 PM
Ah extremism. You have to laugh when people on one extreme attack the other.

Why is everything always an attack with YOU people?:confused:

PoliCon
09-07-2010, 07:19 PM
Why is everything always an attack with YOU people?:confused:

And who is "YOU people?"

Rockntractor
09-07-2010, 07:21 PM
And who is "YOU people?"

Well YOU are one of THEM!:rolleyes:

PoliCon
09-07-2010, 07:31 PM
Well YOU are one of THEM!:rolleyes:

One of whom?

MrsSmith
09-07-2010, 07:33 PM
One of whom?The wishy-washy middle? The fence sitters?

Just trying to be helpful here...since conservative Christianity is mainstream...

PoliCon
09-07-2010, 07:38 PM
The wishy-washy middle? The fence sitters?

Just trying to be helpful here...since conservative Christianity is mainstream...

I see. So if you're not willing to go to one extreme or the other you're wishy-washy? Interesting.

MrsSmith
09-07-2010, 07:40 PM
I see. So if you're not willing to go to one extreme or the other you're wishy-washy? Interesting.

Given the fact that conservative Christianity is mainstream, your entire position is that balancing yourself between a mainstream belief and the extreme left, while remaining a conservative, is somehow not "on the fence?"

PoliCon
09-07-2010, 07:46 PM
Given the fact that conservative Christianity is mainstream, your entire position is that balancing yourself between a mainstream belief and the extreme left, while remaining a conservative, is somehow not "on the fence?"

You are vilifying those who walk on one side of the road while you walk in the gutter on the other side of the road. Sorry - but I've dealt with legalistic fundamentalists on the one side and the relativist progressives on the other side and I say both sides have issues and points.

Rockntractor
09-07-2010, 07:48 PM
You are vilifying those who walk on one side of the road while you walk in the gutter on the other side of the road. Sorry - but I've dealt with legalistic fundamentalists on the one side and the relativist progressives on the other side and I say both sides have issues and points.
Your way is on the road but literal bible believing Christians are in the gutter, great , I like the gutter, lots of good company!:D

PoliCon
09-07-2010, 07:50 PM
but literal bible believing Christians are in the gutter

Silly pig. Not at all what I said.

Gingersnap
09-07-2010, 08:19 PM
You guys. :rolleyes:

While I have a fondness for Calvin Crunch myself from time to time, I thought this commercial parody was great! I particularly liked the guy who came up to the counter with his "progressive" porn and violence boxes. :D

noonwitch
09-08-2010, 08:42 AM
I don't care much for Post Modern Cereal, I prefer Calvin Crunch, I can't help it!
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/calvin-crunch-cereal1.jpg?t=1283899010


I think they make that cereal in West Michigan.

NJCardFan
09-08-2010, 09:43 AM
This is, and FlaGator can confirm this, is the Golden Calf all over again.

FlaGator
09-08-2010, 09:56 AM
This is, and FlaGator can confirm this, is the Golden Calf all over again.

To make up your own deity based on what you think that God should be like is the Golden Calf all over again. This is exactly what the progressives do. They say the Bible isn't the errant world of God, yet the trust the things they like in scripture and are more than happy to quote them. When Christ says to love you neighbor like yourself they are more than happy to accept that. However, when Christ says that a marriage is between a man and a woman then apparently Christ isn't worth paying attention to. It is creating a god in ones own image to such an extent that each church seems to have their own version of a god who fulfills the preconceived notions they have about God. Instead of looking at Scripture and saying 'what does this tell me about God', they look at it and say 'where is my god in this'.

PoliCon
09-08-2010, 12:06 PM
This is, and FlaGator can confirm this, is the Golden Calf all over again.

The attempt to put God into a box - be it a progressive or a conservative box - it's a box none the less.

Wei Wu Wei
09-08-2010, 12:09 PM
The attempt to put God into a box - be it a progressive or a conservative box - it's a box none the less.

This post says it best.

CueSi
09-08-2010, 01:49 PM
This post says it best.

How is believing what is said in the Bible putting God in a box?

~QC

hazlnut
09-08-2010, 04:40 PM
Interesting Video.

However, if you apply strict logic to this definition of 'Progressive' regarding Church and Religion, then anything outside of either the Eastern Orthodox Church or Roman Catholic Church is a progressive form of Christianity.

*Evangelicals and Fundamentalists pick and choose from Canon Law and Roman Catholic doctrine what they're comfortable with. They want to give themselves to Christ, but don't like those old fashioned sacraments - baptism, confirmation, Holy Eucharist, confession and penance...

*The Church of England (Episcopalians in the U.S.) decided the Pope was inconvenient to Henry VIIIs desire to father a male heir.

*Mormons wrote their own book.:eek:

*All Protestant faiths (Baptists, Lutherans, Calvinists, Puritans) are essentially 'cousins' to the Roman Catholics -- all reformers who first disagreed with Rome, then eventually with each other.


Consider the definition of the word PROGRESSIVE:
–adjective
1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are. -- Church of England, Lutherans, all Protestant faiths.

2.making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods. -- This definition is probably what you're getting at with the video, however keep in mind, from a Catholic Mass POV, the modern Evangelical 'service' with informal dress, contemporary music, and no Holy Communion, all seems pretty liberal and experimental.

Gingersnap
09-08-2010, 04:47 PM
Interesting Video.

However, if you apply strict logic to this definition of 'Progressive' regarding Church and Religion, then anything outside of either the Eastern Orthodox Church or Roman Catholic Church is a progressive form of Christianity.

*Evangelicals and Fundamentalists pick and choose from Canon Law and Roman Catholic doctrine what they're comfortable with. They want to give themselves to Christ, but don't like those old fashioned sacraments - baptism, confirmation, Holy Eucharist, confession and penance...

*The Church of England (Episcopalians in the U.S.) decided the Pope was inconvenient to Henry VIIIs desire to father a male heir.

*Mormons wrote their own book.:eek:

*All Protestant faiths (Baptists, Lutherans, Calvinists, Puritans) are essentially 'cousins' to the Roman Catholics -- all reformers who first disagreed with Rome, then eventually with each other.


Consider the definition of the word PROGRESSIVE:
–adjective
1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are. -- Church of England, Lutherans, all Protestant faiths.

2.making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods. -- This definition is probably what you're getting at with the video, however keep in mind, from a Catholic Mass POV, the modern Evangelical 'service' with informal dress, contemporary music, and no Holy Communion, all seems pretty liberal and experimental.

Luckily, this a humorous parody of annoying insurance commercial and not a video version of the Schism of 1054.

Lighten up, Francis. :rolleyes:

Wei Wu Wei
09-08-2010, 05:20 PM
How is believing what is said in the Bible putting God in a box?

~QC

It involves recognizing that you as the reader of the text are inserting your own meaning and interpretation to it, realizing that what you are reading has already been put into a box by your brain.

hazlnut
09-08-2010, 06:38 PM
Luckily, this a humorous parody of annoying insurance commercial and not a video version of the Schism of 1054.

Lighten up, Francis. :rolleyes:

Well, parody should have a point, right?

And I understood the video to be criticizing, through humor, 'progressive' Churches that pick and choose what they want from the bible and other faiths, basing their beliefs on what is comfortable for them.

My point was that the history of Christianity is series of attempts at reform. All begin with a group opposed to a certain practice (the teaching and the sale of indulgences) and/or a belief that current leaders are engaged in some sort of religious malpractice.

To a Roman Catholic, they're all pretty progressive (liberal).

CueSi
09-08-2010, 06:39 PM
It involves recognizing that you as the reader of the text are inserting your own meaning and interpretation to it, realizing that what you are reading has already been put into a box by your brain.

I can see that being said about issues like dancing and drinking...but there are somethings that are pretty clear in the Bible that many "progressive" Christians ignore. . .the divinity of Christ and the Resurrection for starters.

There's interpretation, then there's just straight up disregard.

~QC

Bubba Dawg
09-08-2010, 06:44 PM
Luckily, this a humorous parody of annoying insurance commercial and not a video version of the Schism of 1054.

Lighten up, Francis. :rolleyes:

Flo teh Progressive Insurance Girl is NOT annoying. She's a Babe. :p

PoliCon
09-08-2010, 09:28 PM
How is believing what is said in the Bible putting God in a box?

~QC

It's not. But believing that what you believe the bible says is the only way that it can possibly be interpreted and that you have a monopoly on God - that's putting him in a box.

Gingersnap
09-08-2010, 09:41 PM
Flo teh Progressive Insurance Girl is NOT annoying. She's a Babe. :p

She's a lesbian, dude. And a Democrat. And a vegan.

Bailey
09-09-2010, 07:28 AM
She's a lesbian, dude. And a Democrat. And a vegan.

Is Flo really all that? Damn shes hot.

Gingersnap
09-09-2010, 09:52 AM
Is Flo really all that? Damn shes hot.

Nah, I was just messing with his head. :p

Rockntractor
09-09-2010, 09:55 AM
Nah, I was just messing with his head. :p

There goes my fantasy of her and another naked nymph frolicking in a patch of lettuce!:mad:

Gingersnap
09-09-2010, 10:03 AM
There goes my fantasy of her and another naked nymph frolicking in a patch of lettuce!:mad:

Sorry, dude. You were just collateral damage here. :D