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LibraryLady
08-16-2008, 07:06 PM
Is anyone planning on watching the Rick Warren sideshow?

Rick Warren Sells Out to the Pro-Abortion & Anti-Israel Crowd This Weekend (http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/15/rick-warren-sells-out-to-the-pro-abortion-cro/)


As John McCain and Barack Obama head out to Saddleback to sit down with Rick Warren and avoid tough questions about Obama's support for infanticide (yes, yes does support it, but Warren won't be filled with enough of the Spirit to ask him about it), the Chicago Tribune is breaking news today with an exclusive about John McCain.


Sen. John McCain, who is known for his reticence and even discomfort invoking faith on the campaign trail, was once dubbed a "Hell's Angel" for rioting against his captors in Vietnam in order to hold Sunday church services.

It's a fascinating story and contrasts with Obama trying to wear his religion on his sleeve with Rev. Wright until it blew up in his face.
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LibraryLady
08-16-2008, 08:07 PM
Warren quips that McCain is in "cone of silence" during Zer-0's portion.

Asks him who are the influential people in his life. Michelle, Grandmother, hey What happened to brudder Jeremiah??

LibraryLady
08-16-2008, 08:23 PM
At what point does a baby get human rights?


uh, uh, uh,uh.................

Constitutionally Speaking
08-16-2008, 09:20 PM
At what point does a baby get human rights?


uh, uh, uh,uh.................


What happened in the first half - I didn't turn it on until McCains story about the Guard who drew a cross at Christmas time.

LibraryLady
08-16-2008, 09:23 PM
I had to go out for a minute, gateway pundit has been following it


Faith Forum: Obama & McCain Saddle Up At Saddleback ...Update: Obama on Abortion Video

Obama, McCain face off in tonight Rick Warren's Saddleback Faith Forum.
America is wondering if Obama quote G-D AmeriKKKa Wright-- his racist and anti-Semitic pastor of 20 years.

Obama starts off: He says his opposition to the war in Iraq was his hardest decision. Puh-lease! We are all sure it was an agonizing decision for an Illinois state senator-- Obama is such the politician. He still believes the Iraq War is not in America's best interest. That is not only ridiculous but dangerous.

Obama abortion: He is asked at what point does a baby get human rights-- He just dodged it!
Here's the video:

Of course, he has a gruesome record on abortion. Obama says he does not support late term abortions although his voting record is just the opposite. How sad.

Obama on marriage: "Marriage is between a man and a woman." He says he does not support same sex marriage. Oh buddy!!! Watch the nutroots go C-R-A-Z-Y tonight!

Obama on stem cell research: He's in favor of embryonic stem cell research.

Obama on evil: It has to be confronted (But, not in Iraq.) We have to have humility in confronting evil. Just because our intentions are good doesn't mean we are doing good (a typical liberal view of America).

Obama on Supreme Court: Obama would not have nominated Clarence Thomas or Scalia. Obama says Thomas did not have experience. Glenn Reynolds says, "Kinda ironic, huh?"

Good for Rick Warren for asking these questions.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/faith-forum-obama-mccain-g-d-wright.html#comments

LibraryLady
08-16-2008, 09:29 PM
The crowd is LOVING McCain.

Zeus
08-16-2008, 09:59 PM
I gotta say if Mccain is faking modesty & Humilty he is damn good at it.

LibraryLady
08-16-2008, 10:01 PM
If you want to know who won, read DU. They are dying over there.


GoForTheJugular Sat Aug-16-08 09:59 PM
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3. McCain wiped the floor with Obama....

guys, face reality...

this tentative, gray area, maybe this maybe that shit needs to stop NOW.... it was fine before, we need decisiveness from this dude from now on... it doesn't contrast well when matched up directly...

and now the media is eating it up...

Constitutionally Speaking
08-16-2008, 10:02 PM
McCain hit a Grand Slam.

Notice how he actually ANSWERED the questions?????


I have my disagreements with McCain, but his honesty and his integrity are not in question.

Constitutionally Speaking
08-16-2008, 10:27 PM
If you want to know who won, read DU. They are dying over there.

Which thread is that one. I can't find it.

Zeus
08-16-2008, 10:34 PM
http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/political-pictures-barack-obama-answer.jpg

SarasotaRepub
08-16-2008, 10:36 PM
Shoot! We missed it. We were out with little Gwen and SLW's sister and hubby.
:o

LibraryLady
08-16-2008, 10:38 PM
Fox is running it again in 20 minutes.

LibraryLady
08-16-2008, 10:41 PM
Which thread is that one. I can't find it.


Guess what!!


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SarasotaRepub
08-16-2008, 11:19 PM
Guess what!!



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6647933#6647999

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D

lacarnut
08-17-2008, 02:30 AM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D

McCain did great and won the debate in my opinion. Obama did better than I expected and McCain did much, much better than I expected. Even a liberal jerk like David Gergin (sp) was impressed with McCains performance. McCain did make a gaff on the question about being rich. The Democ. will run ads against him about $5 million as the starting point of being rich. Other than that, McCain hit it out of the park.

Eyelids
08-17-2008, 03:11 AM
Luckily this happened on the same Saturday night as Micheal Phelps and the 100 meter dash. Hopefully this will wake the campaign up a bit and get him to stop catering to these rural neanderthals.

AmPat
08-17-2008, 04:13 AM
Luckily this happened on the same Saturday night as Micheal Phelps and the 100 meter dash. Hopefully this will wake the campaign up a bit and get him to stop catering to these rural neanderthals.

Which neanderthals are you suggesting don't count? Just the rural ones that are opposed to your beloved socialist philosophy or all rural Americans?

Constitutionally Speaking
08-17-2008, 07:46 AM
Guess what!!



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6647933#6647999


Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

LibraryLady
08-17-2008, 08:14 AM
I watched the analysis on several networks and read many critiques online; McCain is considered the winner.
The debates are going to nail Zer-0's coffin. He doesn't think well on his feet. No teleprompter - no smooth talking

LibraryLady
08-17-2008, 08:41 AM
I liked this, the Harvard Handwringer.

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For all of Obama's political skills and oratory, he just can't stop himself from coming across like a Harvard Handwringer. It was on display tonite at the Saddleback Forum. Rick Warren's question about dealing with evil in the world showed Obama's tendency to naval-gaze and fret. Here are the quotes:


Question to Obama: "Does evil exist, and if it does, do we ignore it, do we negotiate with it, do we contain it, do we defeat it?"

Obama: "... a lot of evil has been perpetrated, uh, based on the claim that we were trying to confront evil."

Obama's point is the US has perpetrated alot of evil. Nice. Now see how McCain handles the question:


Question to McCain: "Does evil exist, and if so, should we ignore it, negotiate with it, contain it, or defeat it?"

McCain: "Defeat it."

Obama's answer shows that at his core, he is a Harvard elitist who is suspicious of the US. Liberals and Europeans will be happy with Obama's fretting, nuanced approach.

Do Americans want a Handwringer for President? I don't think so.

SarasotaRepub
08-17-2008, 09:29 AM
Question to Obama: "Does evil exist, and if it does, do we ignore it, do we negotiate with it, do we contain it, do we defeat it?"

Obama: "... a lot of evil has been perpetrated, uh, based on the claim that we were trying to confront evil."

WOW! Exactly what I would have expected from St. O, blame America. Sorry DUmmies but as
much as I dislike Hillary even she would have handled that question better. You're backing
a POS empty suit who doesn't deserve to lead this country. Some Lib college maybe, but not
the United States of America.

lacarnut
08-17-2008, 09:35 AM
Luckily this happened on the same Saturday night as Micheal Phelps and the 100 meter dash. Hopefully this will wake the campaign up a bit and get him to stop catering to these rural neanderthals.

Sorry Whitebread but the Nets on cable ran it over and over till late last night. It will be on today and McCain kicked the Magic Negro's ass. That what is going to happen in the debates and it's going to be a slaughter at the polls in Nov.

Eyelids
08-17-2008, 11:07 AM
Which neanderthals are you suggesting don't count? Just the rural ones that are opposed to your beloved socialist philosophy or all rural Americans?

I've been to Wal Mart, I know how those animals live. I've already said we should nationalize small town America because they are far too stupid to take care of themselves and the food they provide is critical. They are at least 50 years behind the urban centers in terms of social progress.

Sonnabend
08-17-2008, 11:13 AM
I've already said we should nationalize small town America because they are far too stupid to take care of themselves and the food they provide is critical

http://www.thewhitepapers.com/chavez_castro.jpg

lacarnut
08-17-2008, 12:18 PM
I've been to Wal Mart, I know how those animals live. I've already said we should nationalize small town America because they are far too stupid to take care of themselves and the food they provide is critical. They are at least 50 years behind the urban centers in terms of social progress.

You calling your Brothers & Sisters animals. Sounds like racism to me. However, I think you are a Wigger because several blacks on the Chicago city council have publicly stated that it is not right to deny blacks the right to keep guns in their home for protection. Plus, those rich white folks can afford alarm systems and guard dogs. One of your illustrious alderman had his house broken into and guess what, the crooks stole his unregistered gun. He was given a slap on the wrist where anyone else would have been required to pay a hefty fine or maybe jail time. FYI, several communities outside this inter-city shithole have decided to honor the S.C.decision. BAAWWAAHHAA

Zathras
08-17-2008, 12:54 PM
I've been to Wal Mart, I know how those animals live. I've already said we should nationalize small town America because they are far too stupid to take care of themselves and the food they provide is critical. They are at least 50 years behind the urban centers in terms of social progress.

You want to tell us again just who the racists here are Blinky? Truthfully please, not the liberal fantasy world you live in.

Eyelids
08-17-2008, 01:08 PM
People of varying racial backgroudns inhabit rural America... and for the most part they aren't fit to take care of themselves. They need to be babysat... I really dont want to hold their hands but its our responsibility.

lacarnut
08-17-2008, 01:18 PM
People of varying racial backgroudns inhabit URBAN America... and for the most part they aren't fit to take care of themselves. They need to get off their asses... I really dont want to pay for able bodied lazy blacks and whites who are looking for a handout. I don't want to pay for welfare mothers

FIXED.....

Eyelids
08-17-2008, 01:32 PM
I dont want to pay for them either, but somebody needs to work those farms all day and I sure as fuck dont want to.

LibraryLady
08-17-2008, 01:51 PM
Question to Obama: "Does evil exist, and if it does, do we ignore it, do we negotiate with it, do we contain it, do we defeat it?"

I just read this at another site:


Obama struggled with this answer because none of the multiple choices that were provided by Warren where what Obama has done in the face of evil. He has befriended evil working side by side with Ayers for seven years. He has sat in evil's pew for over 20 years getting spirituatl mentoring at the United Trinity Church in Chicago under Rev Wright. He has purchased a home from evil, the political fixer Tony Rezko. Cozying up to evil is what Obama does.

Zathras
08-17-2008, 02:03 PM
I dont want to pay for them either, but somebody needs to work those farms all day and I sure as fuck dont want to.

Yeah, I can see where a good, honest, hard day's work is way beyond your limited capabilities Blinky.

Zeus
08-17-2008, 04:32 PM
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/obama_flop.jpg

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lacarnut
08-17-2008, 06:40 PM
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/obama_flop.jpg

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6990/cidf296b55fc38c4aca9417ll4.jpg

A picture is worth a thousand words and those two are great.:) Kudos

LibraryLady
08-17-2008, 07:37 PM
CNN will rebroadcast it in 20 minutes.

Constitutionally Speaking
08-17-2008, 08:20 PM
I've been to Wal Mart, I know how those animals live. I've already said we should nationalize small town America because they are far too stupid to take care of themselves and the food they provide is critical. They are at least 50 years behind the urban centers in terms of social progress.


Yeah drug wars, bums on the street, congestion,corruption, crime - you city folk really know your social progress!!! :rolleyes:

Lager
08-17-2008, 09:35 PM
I've been to Wal Mart, I know how those animals live. I've already said we should nationalize small town America because they are far too stupid to take care of themselves and the food they provide is critical. They are at least 50 years behind the urban centers in terms of social progress.

Eyelids, I think you should send this message to every major dem candidate as soon as possible. Include Pelosi and Reed and especially Obama. Please encourage them to use it in as many campaign spots as possible, whether print, radio or television. I really think you might be on to something that will really sweep your side into power this year.

LogansPapa
08-17-2008, 10:27 PM
McCain came across just as he should to win this election. That being said - the question remains, now that we're past this matinee, how will he do in a one-on-one balls out debate? For me - that question centers around his infamous temper, his shoot-from-the-hip reactions caused by it and how that comes across on national television. Think Nixon.

Speedy
08-17-2008, 10:44 PM
I dont want to pay for them either, but somebody needs to work those farms all day and I sure as fuck dont want to.

Hey Skippy, we already had a civil war over forcing people who didn't want to work the farms being forced to do so. Maybe we should just get all of those people of the same ethnicity to do it again. Apparently you agree with it from your statements.

SarasotaRepub
08-17-2008, 10:54 PM
McCain came across just as he should to win this election. That being said - the question remains, now that we're past this matinee, how will he do in a one-on-one balls out debate? For me - that question centers around his infamous temper, his shoot-from-the-hip reactions caused by it and how that comes across on national television. Think Nixon.

If so much wasn't at stake a little McCain meltdown might be fun to watch. :D

LogansPapa
08-17-2008, 10:59 PM
If so much wasn't at stake a little McCain meltdown might be fun to watch. :D

True dat. You can just catch the glimpse of the beast that resides behind his eyes when a snot-nosed reporter gives the president-to-be a jerk-off question. I'm going to feel a lot more secure with McNasty in the Oval Office - putting Putin on notice that the new sheriff can readily make things go 'boom-boom' in damn short order.

AmPat
08-17-2008, 11:15 PM
I've been to Wal Mart, I know how those animals live. I've already said we should nationalize small town America because they are far too stupid to take care of themselves and the food they provide is critical. They are at least 50 years behind the urban centers in terms of social progress.

Small town America is doing just fine. How are things in Detroit? If it is any consolation for you and your faux-elitist attitude, small town and rural dwellers don't like or approve of city dwellers much. Something about their arrogance and faux-elitism turns them off.:cool:

My family still owns the +/- 500 acre farm that raised 7 children. All of them became sucessful in their lives. My mother never made less than an A grade in any class from elementary school through college. Can you say the same?

Is my family any different that the many around us? NO! We are a typical rural family with values unfamiliar to people like you. I suspect you could win the lottery and still be a miserable failure. I deduce this from your disrespectful attitude that permeates every response you make on this board. :mad:

linda22003
08-18-2008, 07:46 AM
Is anyone planning on watching the Rick Warren sideshow?


I should probably read the whole thread first, but I'm not sure why you call it a "sideshow". The questions were certainly superior to those asked during the primary "debates", and I felt like I got my first chance to see the two candidates up close and at some length.

Eyelids
08-18-2008, 09:18 AM
Small town America is doing just fine. How are things in Detroit? If it is any consolation for you and your faux-elitist attitude, small town and rural dwellers don't like or approve of city dwellers much. Something about their arrogance and faux-elitism turns them off.:cool:
Calling people elite isn't an insult and I'd like to know when it started being one...

And dont use faux twice like that, it's redundant.


My family still owns the +/- 500 acre farm that raised 7 children. All of them became sucessful in their lives. My mother never made less than an A grade in any class from elementary school through college. Can you say the same?

Is my family any different that the many around us? NO! We are a typical rural family with values unfamiliar to people like you. I suspect you could win the lottery and still be a miserable failure. I deduce this from your disrespectful attitude that permeates every response you make on this board. :mad:

All that is great and stuff, but where are the centers of commerce and government? Hint: it's not your 500 acre farm famous for raising 7 children.

BEG
08-18-2008, 10:01 AM
Yeah, I can see where a good, honest, hard day's work is way beyond your limited capabilities Blinky.

Blinky is our freak wonder fish with a broken back tail that has survived numerous murder attempts that killed all the other fish each time an attempt was made. Poison (twice), too much chlorine from an overfill of the pond (twice again), some fungus that killed all the other fish except him and a Heron attack that left his tail crooked and almost unusable.

I am offended that you keep calling eyelids Blinky as Blinky is a wondrous freak of nature. Wait........I'm sure Blinky has lost a few brain cells from all the poison and chlorine over load he has had in his past and he is a freak of nature so Blinky is a fitting name for eyelids. I am no longer offended.

YupItsMe
08-18-2008, 10:04 AM
Yeah drug wars, bums on the street, congestion,corruption, crime - you city folk really know your social progress!!! :rolleyes:


They're so enlightened. Gee I wish I could be like one of those gerbils living in their little cages.:rolleyes:

LibraryLady
08-18-2008, 11:07 AM
I should probably read the whole thread first, but I'm not sure why you call it a "sideshow". The questions were certainly superior to those asked during the primary "debates", and I felt like I got my first chance to see the two candidates up close and at some length.


I wrote "sideshow" before the program came on because I had believed several sites that said Warren was taking questions from ultra liberal groups. I agree, the questions were well worded and I felt I learned quite a bit.

Elspeth
08-18-2008, 11:16 AM
WOW! Exactly what I would have expected from St. O, blame America. Sorry DUmmies but as
much as I dislike Hillary even she would have handled that question better. You're backing
a POS empty suit who doesn't deserve to lead this country. Some Lib college maybe, but not
the United States of America.

Yes yes yes yes yes.

and yes.:)

linda22003
08-18-2008, 11:22 AM
I wrote "sideshow" before the program came on because I had believed several sites that said Warren was taking questions from ultra liberal groups. I agree, the questions were well worded and I felt I learned quite a bit.


Oh. That's why I like to see things for myself instead of taking the word of others. ;)

Linda
08-18-2008, 11:54 AM
Another good example of the differences in the two candidates was their answers to this question:

WHAT'S THE MOST GUT WRENCHING DECISION YOU'VE EVER HAD TO MAKE?

Obama's answer:

WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OPPOSITION TO THE WAR IN IRAQ WAS AS TOUGH A DECISION THAT I'VE HAD TO MAKE NOT ONLY BECAUSE THERE WERE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES BUT ALSO BECAUSE SADDAM HUSSIEM WAS A BAD PERSON AND THERE WAS NO DOUBT THAT HE MET AMERICA ILL

That was not a gut wrenching decision he HAD to make. He was a state senator when that issue had to be decided he had no say one way or the other in the outcome. In other words his most gut wrenching decison was one he didn't have to make.

McCain's answer:

IT WAS LONG AGO AND FAR AWAY IN A PRISON CAMP IN NORTH VIETNAM. MY FATHER WAS A HIGH RANKING ADMIRAL. THE VIETNAMESE CAME AND SAID THAT I COULD LEAVE PRISON EARLY. AND WE HAD A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT SAID YOU ONLY LEAVE BY ORDER OF CAPTURE. I ALSO HAD A DEAR AND BELOVED FRIEND WHO WAS FROM CALIFORNIA BY THE NAME ED ALVAREZ WHO HAD BEEN SHOT DOWN AND CAPTURED
A COUPLE YEARS BEFORE ME BUT I WASN'T IN GOOD PHYSICAL SHAPE. IN FACT I WAS IN RATHER BAD PHYSICAL SHAPE. SO I SAID NO.

What an outstanding difference in the answers of these two men. McCain was in a position he could have opted out of a prisoner of war camp with the knowledge they were going to torture him or go home and be safe....He chose the harder of the two options, the one that showed he had honor, integrety, and the strength to lead in a situation none of us ever want to be in.

Elspeth
08-18-2008, 01:35 PM
Another good example of the differences in the two candidates was their answers to this question:

WHAT'S THE MOST GUT WRENCHING DECISION YOU'VE EVER HAD TO MAKE?




What an outstanding difference in the answers of these two men. McCain was in a position he could have opted out of a prisoner of war camp with the knowledge they were going to torture him or go home and be safe....He chose the harder of the two options, the one that showed he had honor, integrety, and the strength to lead in a situation none of us ever want to be in.

Not to mention that Obama's "decision" was a lie. Has anyone called him on it?

IanMartins
08-18-2008, 08:19 PM
From the Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121901817146948231.html?mod=opinion_main_review_ and_outlooks)


Barack Obama likes to portray himself as a centrist politician who wants to unite the country, but occasionally his postpartisan mask slips. That was the case at Saturday night's Saddleback Church forum, when Mr. Obama chose to demean Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

Pastor Rick Warren asked each Presidential candidate which Justices he would not have nominated. Mr. McCain said, "with all due respect" the four most liberal sitting Justices because of his different judicial philosophy.

Mr. Obama took a lower road, replying first that "that's a good one," and then adding that "I would not have nominated Clarence Thomas. I don't think that he, I don't think that he was a strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time for that elevation. Setting aside the fact that I profoundly disagree with his interpretation of a lot of the Constitution." The Democrat added that he also wouldn't have appointed Antonin Scalia, and perhaps not John Roberts, though he assured the audience that at least they were smart enough for the job.

So let's see. By the time he was nominated, Clarence Thomas had worked in the Missouri Attorney General's office, served as an Assistant Secretary of Education, run the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and sat for a year on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, the nation's second most prominent court. Since his "elevation" to the High Court in 1991, he has also shown himself to be a principled and scholarly jurist.

Meanwhile, as he bids to be America's Commander in Chief, Mr. Obama isn't yet four years out of the Illinois state Senate, has never held a hearing of note of his U.S. Senate subcommittee, and had an unremarkable record as both a "community organizer" and law school lecturer. Justice Thomas's judicial credentials compare favorably to Mr. Obama's Presidential résumé by any measure. And when it comes to rising from difficult circumstances, Justice Thomas's rural Georgian upbringing makes Mr. Obama's story look like easy street.

Even more troubling is what the Illinois Democrat's answer betrays about his political habits of mind. Asked a question he didn't expect at a rare unscripted event, the rookie candidate didn't merely say he disagreed with Justice Thomas. Instead, he instinctively reverted to the leftwing cliché that the Court's black conservative isn't up to the job while his white conservative colleagues are.

So much for civility in politics and bringing people together. And no wonder Mr. Obama's advisers have refused invitations for more such open forums, preferring to keep him in front of a teleprompter, where he won't let slip what he really believes.

Constitutionally Speaking
08-18-2008, 08:26 PM
People of varying racial backgroudns inhabit rural America... and for the most part they aren't fit to take care of themselves. They need to be babysat... I really dont want to hold their hands but its our responsibility.


The rural folk of this country are THE most self sufficient. Just look at the trouble power outages cause you city folk and heaven forbid a cell tower goes down.

We who live in the country Don't NEED ANY of that stuff. We can survive just fine. We laugh at the city folk who wander into our counties. They wouldn't last two days out here without help.

Eyelids
08-18-2008, 08:29 PM
The rural folk of this country are THE most self sufficient. Just look at the trouble power outages cause you city folk and heaven forbid a cell tower goes down.

We who live in the country Don't NEED ANY of that stuff. We can survive just fine. We laugh at the city folk who wander into our counties. They wouldn't last two days out here without help.

Yea we run on that fancy electricity us elitist city folk. Those markets that trade all the stuff the country makes run on computers which need electricity too.

Without us the only market for your hot tubs or DDT infected crop would be yourselves.

Constitutionally Speaking
08-18-2008, 08:33 PM
Yea we run on that fancy electricity us elitist city folk. Those markets that trade all the stuff the country makes run on computers which need electricity too.

Without us the only market for your hot tubs or DDT infected crop would be yourselves.


Doesn't matter, it is food. You will come to us! Just be glad we don't know what you look like or we might take offense at your arrogant attitude and not share.

asdf2231
08-18-2008, 09:40 PM
Yea we run on that fancy electricity us elitist city folk. Those markets that trade all the stuff the country makes run on computers which need electricity too.

Without us the only market for your hot tubs or DDT infected crop would be yourselves.

This from somebody attending university at Hooterville U who told us Chicago is a magical land where potholes are instantly filled, traffic flows like a mountain stream and the streetlights are promptly changed when they expire. :rolleyes:

AmPat
08-18-2008, 11:13 PM
Calling people elite isn't an insult and I'd like to know when it started being one...
When it leads to one being a pompous ass much like you, it is an insult.

And dont use faux twice like that, it's redundant.
No, it is not. Using a word twice does not make its use redundant, it is only redundant if I use it redundantly. OOPS!! I use redundant more than once, must be redundancy.:eek::rolleyes:

Were you just trying to work in your new "big words?" Go back to school and get a refund immediately.:rolleyes:


All that is great and stuff, but where are the centers of commerce and government? Hint: it's not your 500 acre farm famous for raising 7 children.

What possible relevance does this have? Are you suggesting that only "centers of commerce and government" matter? Is there no room in your small world for both? Where do you think the city dwellers get their food, from replicators?

I don't disrespect big city dwellers for their choice, why do you distain rural dwellers for theirs? That is the subtle difference between the word "elitist" as an insult versus as a valid adjective, your distain and disrespect.

Bongo55
08-19-2008, 06:58 AM
Yea we run on that fancy electricity us elitist city folk. Those markets that trade all the stuff the country makes run on computers which need electricity too.

Without us the only market for your hot tubs or DDT infected crop would be yourselves.

Well how did those crops (ie all the stuff) get traded on the market before computers? and DDT has been baned for a long long time.

I don't want to insult, but the stupid is strong on you. but you are a lib after all.

biccat
08-19-2008, 09:11 AM
From the Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121901817146948231.html?mod=opinion_main_review_ and_outlooks)


Mr. Obama took a lower road, replying first that "that's a good one," and then adding that "I would not have nominated Clarence Thomas. I don't think that he, I don't think that he was a strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time for that elevation. Setting aside the fact that I profoundly disagree with his interpretation of a lot of the Constitution." The Democrat added that he also wouldn't have appointed Antonin Scalia, and perhaps not John Roberts, though he assured the audience that at least they were smart enough for the job.

He's keeping right in step with modern Democrat thought: Only liberal black people are smart. Conservative blacks are stupid uncle toms who are brainwashed into serving the Evil Republican Overlords of the United States of White America.

Teetop
08-19-2008, 01:45 PM
People of varying racial backgroudns inhabit rural America... and for the most part they aren't fit to take care of themselves. They need to be babysat... I really dont want to hold their hands but its our responsibility.

You ignorant f*ck. Think of your stupidity the next time you eat any beef, or any food for that matter! I live in an area that produces the most beef in the world, RURAL America, dumbass!

lacarnut
08-19-2008, 02:18 PM
Calling people elite isn't an insult and I'd like to know when it started being one...

And dont use faux twice like that, it's redundant.



All that is great and stuff, but where are the centers of commerce and government? Hint: it's not your 500 acre farm famous for raising 7 children.

Calling Obama and snobbish elites like you is an insult but it's also the truth.

By government you mean the union crooked Daley, Ritzo machine in Chicago where padded contracts are the norm. Where those 7 children you speak of on the farms have a mother & dad opposed to a bunch of bastards that don't know who their daddy is and is supported by welfare.

What commerce do you speak of in the inner-city. They produce crime, drugs, welfare babies, etc., corruption, etc.

I am glad I don't live in a shit-hole like Chicago.

lacarnut
08-19-2008, 02:20 PM
duplicate.....

Eyelids
08-19-2008, 02:52 PM
Calling Obama and snobbish elites like you is an insult but it's also the truth.

By government you mean the union crooked Daley, Ritzo machine in Chicago where padded contracts are the norm. Where those 7 children you speak of on the farms have a mother & dad opposed to a bunch of bastards that don't know who their daddy is and is supported by welfare.

What commerce do you speak of in the inner-city. They produce crime, drugs, welfare babies, etc., corruption, etc.

I am glad I don't live in a shit-hole like Chicago.

Without Chicago the United States would fall into poverty and starvation would be a problem.

Eyelids
08-19-2008, 02:53 PM
You ignorant f*ck. Think of your stupidity the next time you eat any beef, or any food for that matter! I live in an area that produces the most beef in the world, RURAL America, dumbass!

And where is that commodity traded?

linda22003
08-19-2008, 02:53 PM
Without Chicago the United States would fall into poverty and starvation would be a problem.

That's quite a claim. How did the rest of us keep going when the city burned down all those years ago? Are you under the impression that the stockyards downtown are still in operation?

Eyelids
08-19-2008, 02:54 PM
Doesn't matter, it is food. You will come to us! Just be glad we don't know what you look like or we might take offense at your arrogant attitude and not share.

Bullshit, we can do whatever we want to rural America and our wealth will allow infinite access to your grub.

biccat
08-19-2008, 03:07 PM
That's quite a claim. How did the rest of us keep going when the city burned down all those years ago? Are you under the impression that the stockyards downtown are still in operation?
If I recall correctly, last time it burned down we pushed the whole thing into Lake Michigan.

Somehow they came back. Like roaches, or a fungus that you thought you had gotten rid of.

Rebel Yell
08-19-2008, 03:59 PM
Without Chicago the United States would fall into poverty and starvation would be a problem.

We wouldn't starve down here. We can feed ourselves. Welfare babies like you might starve, but us country folks have the ability to grow our own food. Try again.

Eyelids
08-19-2008, 04:49 PM
That's quite a claim. How did the rest of us keep going when the city burned down all those years ago? Are you under the impression that the stockyards downtown are still in operation?

Im under the impression that Chicago Board of Trade, king of all futures exchanges, still is in operation.

The CBOT opened back up 2 weeks after the fire in what amounted to a shack because it was so critical. The food might be grown on the farms but before it gets to everyone else it runs through Chicago.

CLibertarian
08-19-2008, 04:51 PM
We wouldn't starve down here. We can feed ourselves. Welfare babies like you might starve, but us country folks have the ability to grow our own food. Try again.

If we can keep the deer out of our gardens but, that how we bait our meat.:D

Rebel Yell
08-19-2008, 05:02 PM
If we can keep the deer out of our gardens but, that how we bait our meat.:D

Exactly, in a worst case scenario, we would be totally self sufficient down here. We can grow out own food, raise our own meat, actually build things with our own hands. So what if we couldn't sell it through Chicago, we could just keep it down here and sell it at the Farmer's Markets. Apparently Eyelids has never heard of the concept of the farmers market or the weekly livestock sales down here. Trust me, if everyone is left to their own devices, we would easily outlast the ghetto dwellers in his part of the country.

CLibertarian
08-19-2008, 05:36 PM
Exactly, in a worst case scenario, we would be totally self sufficient down here. We can grow out own food, raise our own meat, actually build things with our own hands. So what if we couldn't sell it through Chicago, we could just keep it down here and sell it at the Farmer's Markets. Apparently Eyelids has never heard of the concept of the farmers market or the weekly livestock sales down here. Trust me, if everyone is left to their own devices, we would easily outlast the ghetto dwellers in his part of the country.

There's a local livestock Feeder Auction where I live. Farmer's markets are all around. City dwellers are so clueless.:D

Constitutionally Speaking
08-19-2008, 06:22 PM
Im under the impression that Chicago Board of Trade, king of all futures exchanges, still is in operation.

The CBOT opened back up 2 weeks after the fire in what amounted to a shack because it was so critical. The food might be grown on the farms but before it gets to everyone else it runs through Chicago.


Without electricity your CBOT is NOTHING. Meanwhile we have the food right here locally. If you want it, you have to come and get it and PAY for it.

In the event of NO major disaster, you STILL depend on rural America. Without the actual commodity to be traded, there really isn't any sense for the CBOT to even exist.

IanMartins
08-19-2008, 06:38 PM
I'm sure there's an analogy to be drawn from the following words of our 2nd President, John Adams.


I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain. --John Adams

The "children" would be the inhabitants of the blue states. Without the agriculture, production and industry primarily found in the red states, the urban blue states would not be able to support themselves as they are. Their precious government programs would certainly fall apart, and their commerce would amount to little.