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warpig
09-15-2010, 02:36 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/14/2010-09-14_koran_burner_derek_fenton_fired_from_his_job_at _nj_transit.html



The protester who burned pages from the Koran outside a planned mosque near Ground Zero has been fired from NJTransit, sources and authorities said Tuesday.

Derek Fenton's 11-year career at the agency came to an abrupt halt Monday after photographs of him ripping pages from the Muslim holy book and setting them ablaze appeared in newspapers.

Fenton, 39, of Bloomingdale, N.J., burned the book during a protest on the ninth anniversary of Sept. 11 outside Park51, the controversial mosque slated to be built near Ground Zero.

He was apparently inspired by Pastor Terry Jones, the Florida clergyman who threatened to burn the Koran that day but later changed his mind.

NJ Transit said Fenton was fired but wouldn't give specifics.

"Mr. Fenton's public actions violated New Jersey Transit's code of ethics," an agency statement said.


So what you do on your own time as a private citizen is now dictated by your union??

FlaGator
09-15-2010, 02:50 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/14/2010-09-14_koran_burner_derek_fenton_fired_from_his_job_at _nj_transit.html




So what you do on your own time as a private citizen is now dictated by your union??

Yes and it is not just unions. Most employers have policies that stress if you do something in your personal life that puts the company in what it considers a bad light then you can be terminated. Lots of companies have morality policies stating that if you do something company policy deems immoral then you can be terminated.

noonwitch
09-15-2010, 02:53 PM
Yes and it is not just unions. Most employers have policies that stress if you do something in your personal life that puts the company in what it considers a bad light then you can be terminated. Lots of companies have morality policies stating that if you do something company policy deems immoral then you can be terminated.



Only if you get caught!


But seriously, this guy should be able to sue his union for not supporting him. Even if he doesn't get his job back, as a dues-paying member of the union, the union should have been supporting his free speech rights, as expressed on his own time.

NJCardFan
09-15-2010, 09:08 PM
Only if you get caught!


But seriously, this guy should be able to sue his union for not supporting him. Even if he doesn't get his job back, as a dues-paying member of the union, the union should have been supporting his free speech rights, as expressed on his own time.

However, if the rules are in place when you take the job, you don't have a leg to stand on. For example, if I was seen at a Klan rally(like this will ever happen), the department would be right in bringing me up on conduct unbecoming charges not to mention the work environment would become toxic because I work with a lot of minorities. In this guy's case, the fear of retribution would be a valid reason to can him.

Rockntractor
09-15-2010, 09:24 PM
The union is contracted to a government agency. How can you make a government agency look bad?:confused:

noonwitch
09-16-2010, 12:21 PM
However, if the rules are in place when you take the job, you don't have a leg to stand on. For example, if I was seen at a Klan rally(like this will ever happen), the department would be right in bringing me up on conduct unbecoming charges not to mention the work environment would become toxic because I work with a lot of minorities. In this guy's case, the fear of retribution would be a valid reason to can him.


Same here, regarding the klan, but not regarding a Tea Party event. The Klan is a racist organization, and one could even make the case for them being a terrorist organization.

I'm pretty sure some of my more conservative coworkers have at least participated in Tea Party rallies, especially those from other parts of the state than metro Detroit.

Odysseus
09-18-2010, 05:40 PM
I find it odd that flag-burning is protected expression, but Qur'an burning isn't. Andrew McCarthy has an interesting take on this:


http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/246965/there-oughtn-t-be-law-andrew-c-mccarthy

Last weekend, at the crater formerly known as the World Trade Center, protester Derek Fenton was photographed burning pages from a Koran, following through on an obscure Florida pastor’s threat to torch Islam’s holy book. Fenton, it turned out, was an 11-year employee of the New Jersey Transit Authority, which promptly fired him when the photos went public.

But hold on a moment: Fenton, who was charged with no crime, was engaged in constitutionally protected expression. It is irrelevant that his conduct may be judged foolish or offensive. It makes no difference that there were less provocative ways to make the same point.

Or does it? The incident occurred in his off-hours and was unrelated to his job. Should it matter that riotous Muslims might seek their vengeance against his state employer, thus endangering train passengers?

Not according to the Supreme Court. The American flag and all it symbolizes cannot be shielded from desecration, we are told, because free speech is the defining value of a free society. We don’t give a veto to those it offends, for its very purpose, often its most salutary purpose, is to offend. The justices reaffirmed the principle in Texas v. Johnson (1989): Free expression “may indeed best serve its high purpose when it induces a condition of unrest, creates dissatisfaction with conditions as they are, or even stirs people to anger.”

Did the Court mean any people, or just non-Muslims? Is the principle really as transcendent as it sounds, or is it just high-minded rhetoric? Is it just the way our dissipated rulers couch the lesson that, when it comes to attacks on Western values, we must accept them because we probably deserve them? All the recent talk of Koran burning spurred Justice Stephen Breyer to suggest that free expression may need an Islam exemption. That prompted justifiable outrage, but it should have surprised no one. The Obama administration has already joined the Organization of the Islamic Conference in a UN resolution designed to make blasphemy against Islam illegal. And the president’s latest appointee, Justice Elena Kagan, is a sharia enthusiast who argues that government may curb free expression whenever it decides the “value” of speech is outweighed by other “societal costs” — which is to say, when doing so elevates progressive pieties.

This is of a piece with other recent episodes of what Roger Kimball calls “preemptive capitulation.” We also learned this week that Molly Norris, the Seattle cartoonist who proposed “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day,” has changed her name and gone into hiding. Couldn’t the FBI have protected her from Islamist rage? Evidently not: It was the Feebs who advised her to go dark.

Sonnabend
09-18-2010, 06:38 PM
Same here, regarding the klan, but not regarding a Tea Party event. The Klan is a racist organization, and one could even make the case for them being a terrorist organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_organization).

Islam is a RELIGION

Not a RACE.

Rockntractor
09-18-2010, 07:31 PM
Islam is a RELIGION

Not a RACE.
Liberals have no idea what a racist is so it would stand to reason they don't know what races are either.

Odysseus
09-18-2010, 07:44 PM
Liberals have no idea what a racist is so it would stand to reason they don't know what races are either.

A racist is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal. :D