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Gingersnap
09-23-2010, 11:03 AM
Democrats guess wrong on health care

By CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN | 9/22/10 10:31 PM EDT

Rarely have so many political strategists been so wrong about something so big.

But when it comes to the health care bill, everyone from former President Bill Clinton on down whiffed on some of the more significant predictions.

Democrats would run aggressively on the legislation? Nope. Voters would forget about the sausage-making aspects of the legislative process? Doesn’t seem that way, as the process contributed to the sense that the bill was deeply flawed.

And Clinton’s own promise to jittery Democrats that their poll numbers would skyrocket after the bill finally passed also didn’t pan out, as the party is fighting for its life in the midterms.

At the six-month mark, the law remains a riddle for political analysts, lawmakers and the White House. Here’s a look at some of the predictions that have proved off the mark.

“I’m telling you, I don’t care how low they drive support for this with misinformation. The minute the president signs the health care reform bill, approval will go up, because Americans are inherently optimistic.” — Bill Clinton at the Netroots Nation convention in August 2009.

When Clinton spoke, Democratic lawmakers listened.

And why shouldn’t they? Clinton’s a party elder who battled back from his own defeat over health care reform, a Republican takeover of Congress and impeachment.

His sunny, longer-term outlook came at a time when Democrats were increasingly anxious about the protracted negotiations on Capitol Hill, the lack of focus on the economy and the mounting backlash from voters, as evidenced by the raucous town halls during the same month Clinton spoke.

A week before final passage, Democratic pollsters Douglas Schoen and Pat Caddell, who had worked for Clinton, pierced the optimism. They wrote a Washington Post op-ed warning the party had deluded itself into thinking that Americans wanted the bill. And as a result, they wrote, Democrats ran the risk of “unmitigated disaster” in November.

The Washington establishment responded in kind. Obama pollster Joel Benenson shot back that Schoen and Caddell were peddling “Republican myths.” The American Enterprise Institute’s Norm Ornstein and the Brookings Institution’s Thomas Mann penned a response column that started out by describing Schoen and Caddell as “disgruntled (if not former) Democrats.”

Nobody knows whether Democrats would be doing any better if they abandoned the health care push. They would have owned the issue regardless, given how long they had spent on it.

But six months later, Schoen and Caddell were more accurate in their predictions than their former boss: Public attitudes towards the legislation remain as negative and divided as when Obama signed it into law.

Interesting. More at the link.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42588.html#ixzz10MhTZC00

Wei Wu Wei
09-23-2010, 11:32 AM
When every main source of news media (television and radio) is corporate-owned they can literally spam a message 24 hours a day every day. When it's in their financial interests to do so, and their job is to abide by their financial interests, there's no surprise that message control is easy.

While news junkies like us will read a lot of independent news online, most Americans aren't as informed as we are, and get the majority of their news from television. When all the corporate media enterprises echo the same message they can create an entire bubble of illusion. In this case, they rallied against a health bill while the legislators watered it down to nothing.

There are plenty of reasons to be upset about this health care bill, many problems and issues that Americans should be demanding that politicians be held accountable for.

The astonishing thing is that people ARE mad, but for totally made up fantasy reasons. They are seeing it totally opposite of what it really is, but they feel just as opposed to it. The only difference comes down to which side of the coin they vote for this november.

Jfor
09-23-2010, 02:42 PM
When every main source of news media (television and radio) is corporate-owned they can literally spam a message 24 hours a day every day. When it's in their financial interests to do so, and their job is to abide by their financial interests, there's no surprise that message control is easy.

While news junkies like us will read a lot of independent news online, most Americans aren't as informed as we are, and get the majority of their news from television. When all the corporate media enterprises echo the same message they can create an entire bubble of illusion. In this case, they rallied against a health bill while the legislators watered it down to nothing.

There are plenty of reasons to be upset about this health care bill, many problems and issues that Americans should be demanding that politicians be held accountable for.

The astonishing thing is that people ARE mad, but for totally made up fantasy reasons. They are seeing it totally opposite of what it really is, but they feel just as opposed to it. The only difference comes down to which side of the coin they vote for this november.

Wrong again retard.

BadCat
09-23-2010, 04:26 PM
When every main source of news media (television and radio) is corporate-owned they can literally spam a message 24 hours a day every day. When it's in their financial interests to do so, and their job is to abide by their financial interests, there's no surprise that message control is easy.

While news junkies like us will read a lot of independent news online, most Americans aren't as informed as we are, and get the majority of their news from television. When all the corporate media enterprises echo the same message they can create an entire bubble of illusion. In this case, they rallied against a health bill while the legislators watered it down to nothing.

There are plenty of reasons to be upset about this health care bill, many problems and issues that Americans should be demanding that politicians be held accountable for.

The astonishing thing is that people ARE mad, but for totally made up fantasy reasons. They are seeing it totally opposite of what it really is, but they feel just as opposed to it. The only difference comes down to which side of the coin they vote for this november.


How many times have we heard this line before?

You fucking moonbats haven't had an original idea since LBJ.

FlaGator
09-23-2010, 04:56 PM
The bill was too large for any one to have read. They did not know what was in it and voted for it anyways on the promise that everyone would love them for it. They still don't know what's in it and everytime some new tidbit get disclosed voters hate it even more.

Now just to show how out of touch with voters Obama really is, he highlights the passage of the health care bill as a significant achievement for his administration. It's an achievement no one wanted and still doesn't want and he has yet to realize it. Just because he was the first President to get a major health care plan through Congress doesn't mean squat if the legislation is a pile of dung that is causing Americans to seriously reconsider just what they actually voted for in 2008.

I hope that we can stop the change, Mr. Obama, while we still somthing left to change.

Rockntractor
09-23-2010, 05:00 PM
Guess wrong hell, it was a calculated lie!

FlaGator
09-23-2010, 05:11 PM
Guess wrong hell, it was a calculated lie!

The wrong guess was the people were going to love them for it. Serious miscalculation on the part of the dems.

I'm sure Bill Clinton understood this and encouraged the libs to vote for it for because he wanted some Hillary payback for all the dems abandoning her for the O-man and to get Obama out of the way for a Hillary run in 2012.