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CaughtintheMiddle1990
09-25-2010, 01:17 PM
I watched Wei Wu Wei's animation and whatnot, and read a little about the guy who made it. Am I the only one who really has no interest in all of this philosophical theorizing? I have to be honest, when I read about all sorts of academic theories, I just want to say "Get to the fucking point." I mean, they use these--as another said here--overwrought explanations and try to essentially baffle you with wordy bullshit, which really, unless you spend most of your time examining life as a theory more than an activity, at least to me, doesn't make sense. Maybe I'm simply an ass, but I don't see why these philosophical types can't just get to the point, say their piece in a few lines or so? Instead they have to baffle you with bullshit and write 1,000 page dissertations. It makes being a scholar and Academia in general look bad.
Am I making any sense here?

Bailey
09-25-2010, 01:22 PM
I watched Wei Wu Wei's animation and whatnot, and read a little about the guy who made it. Am I the only one who really has no interest in all of this philosophical theorizing? I have to be honest, when I read about all sorts of academic theories, I just want to say "Get to the fucking point." I mean, they use these--as another said here--overwrought explanations and try to essentially baffle you with wordy bullshit, which really, unless you spend most of your time examining life as a theory more than an activity, at least to me, doesn't make sense. Maybe I'm simply an ass, but I don't see why these philosophical types can't just get to the point, say their piece in a few lines or so? Instead they have to baffle you with bullshit and write 1,000 page dissertations. It makes being a scholar and Academia in general look bad.
Am I making any sense here?


I agree with you, you're an ass.

Rockntractor
09-25-2010, 01:24 PM
I am in full agreement with you on this one. It is one of the ways they try to repackage old failed ideas.

Constitutionally Speaking
09-25-2010, 01:31 PM
"Brevity is the soul of wit"

hampshirebrit
09-25-2010, 02:49 PM
Am I making any sense here?

Pretty much. Economy of words can be a good thing.

Zeus
09-25-2010, 05:57 PM
Pretty much. Economy of words can be a good thing.


That's one of my pet peeves. When someone takes 15 mins to explain something that should/could take five or less. Additional irratant is attempting to color the explaination with big words that are for the most part out of place in most treatise.
The KISS principle is an important principle in everyday life.

Ree
09-25-2010, 06:04 PM
That's one of my pet peeves. When someone takes 15 mins to explain something that should/could take five or less. Additional irratant is attempting to color the explaination with big words that are for the most part out of place in most treatise.
The KISS principle is an important principle in everyday life.
Today most people don't know what KISS is, or say what they mean and mean what they say

Sonnabend
09-25-2010, 07:47 PM
In much the same way as you tell Wei to "Get to the fucking point.", I tell you to "tell the fucking truth"

You're both idiots.

Thatisall.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
09-25-2010, 08:24 PM
In much the same way as you tell Wei to "Get to the fucking point.", I tell you to "tell the fucking truth"

You're both idiots.

Thatisall.

The sky is blue :eek:

Sonnabend
09-25-2010, 08:28 PM
Where you are, it's after 8pm at night, so no it isnt.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
09-25-2010, 09:01 PM
In much the same way as you tell Wei to "Get to the fucking point.", I tell you to "tell the fucking truth"

You're both idiots.

Thatisall.


Where you are, it's after 8pm at night, so no it isnt.

Stop stalking me buddy.

Sonnabend
09-25-2010, 09:31 PM
Stop stalking me buddy.

I have posted in a number of threads, and myself have posted two new ones. Not everything is about you.

Deal with it.

Gingersnap
09-27-2010, 11:20 AM
Stop stalking me buddy.

LOL! Just put him on "ignore".

I don't mind reading political theory but too often the theory is misused when people are simply attempting to have a conversation with each other. ;)

Wei Wu Wei
09-27-2010, 11:56 AM
I watched Wei Wu Wei's animation and whatnot, and read a little about the guy who made it. Am I the only one who really has no interest in all of this philosophical theorizing?

Then you are an idiot. If you have no interest in real thought with any level of depth, then you shouldn't be arguing, you shouldn't be voicing your shallow uninformed opinions so loudly, and I pray to God that you don't vote.

This is willfull ignorance. If something is presented to you to learn, and you actively choose to avoid it, you are purposely pulling the veil over your eyes.

This is worse than just being stupid, this is actively willfully choosing to not learn about something that you have an opinion on.


I have to be honest, when I read about all sorts of academic theories, I just want to say "Get to the fucking point." I mean, they use these--as another said here--overwrought explanations and try to essentially baffle you with wordy bullshit, which really, unless you spend most of your time examining life as a theory more than an activity, at least to me, doesn't make sense.

Yes share some more of your dorm-room philosophy while I read a real book.

Your future is set, look at all the posters on this website, people like Policon and Rocktrackter and others. This is you in the future.


Maybe I'm simply an ass, but I don't see why these philosophical types can't just get to the point, say their piece in a few lines or so?

Because when you are talking about something in a real manner (rather than just pulling hollow empty bullshit out of your ass) it takes a certain level of precision of speech and proper reference.

If you don't believe me, because I believe you are a college student, ask to sit in on a Graduate-level class. Something heavy in theory-formation. This is what happens, thbis is how ideas are formed, trhis is how culture changes.


Instead they have to baffle you with bullshit and write 1,000 page dissertations. It makes being a scholar and Academia in general look bad.
Am I making any sense here?

"boohoo smart people use big words i think they're just trying to confuse me!!"

Odysseus
09-27-2010, 12:27 PM
I watched Wei Wu Wei's animation and whatnot, and read a little about the guy who made it. Am I the only one who really has no interest in all of this philosophical theorizing? I have to be honest, when I read about all sorts of academic theories, I just want to say "Get to the fucking point." I mean, they use these--as another said here--overwrought explanations and try to essentially baffle you with wordy bullshit, which really, unless you spend most of your time examining life as a theory more than an activity, at least to me, doesn't make sense. Maybe I'm simply an ass, but I don't see why these philosophical types can't just get to the point, say their piece in a few lines or so? Instead they have to baffle you with bullshit and write 1,000 page dissertations. It makes being a scholar and Academia in general look bad.
Am I making any sense here?
Wei has swallowed a line that he may or may not understand, but ultimately, it doesn't matter. Socialism has failed in every place that it has been attempted. To be a socialist is, therefore, to put faith in a theory which has never succeeded. In order to capture a whole new generation, the old, failed ideas have to be repackaged and that repackaging requires that old ideas be given new names and overly complicated explanations that obscure the basics. It's hard to argue with a theory that has been wrapped in layers of complexity and BS, which is why they present it that way.

Think of it this way: If I tried to sell you Kool Aid mixed with cyanide, and told you what it was, you'd bolt. But if I told you that it came with a new, improved sweetener that added a slightly nutty flavor, and which had a mild sedative effect, you'd be much more likely to take a sip and not panic when your eyelids started to droop.

Socialists are selling poison in a pretty package. That's all it is.

I agree with you, you're an ass.
He's asking legitimate questions, and seems to really want answers. This is where we can dispense with the tough love and give him insights. Liberals do become conservative over time, if they are paying attention.

Wei Wu Wei
09-27-2010, 12:33 PM
Wei has swallowed a line that he may or may not understand, but ultimately, it doesn't matter. Socialism has failed in every place that it has been attempted. To be a socialist is, therefore, to put faith in a theory which has never succeeded. In order to capture a whole new generation, the old, failed ideas have to be repackaged and that repackaging requires that old ideas be given new names and overly complicated explanations that obscure the basics. It's hard to argue with a theory that has been wrapped in layers of complexity and BS, which is why they present it that way.

Let me say unequivocally, as many liberals have said, that the 20th century experiment of actual socialism was an absolute political ,economic, ethical, and social FAILURE!

Absolutely.

No one is talking about going back to the USSR or starting a new Leninist party.

Not anyone.

You're arguing against dead ideas and I agree that those policies failed and we should learn from those failures.


Think of it this way: If I tried to sell you Kool Aid mixed with cyanide, and told you what it was, you'd bolt. But if I told you that it came with a new, improved sweetener that added a slightly nutty flavor, and which had a mild sedative effect, you'd be much more likely to take a sip and not panic when your eyelids started to droop.

Socialists are selling poison in a pretty package. That's all it is.

He's asking legitimate questions, and seems to really want answers. This is where we can dispense with the tough love and give him insights. Liberals do become conservative over time, if they are paying attention.

I don't think you understand what socialism is. I may be wrong though.

AmPat
09-27-2010, 12:56 PM
[QUOTE=Wei Wu Wei;317635]Let me say unequivocally, as many liberals have said, that the 20th century experiment of actual socialism was an absolute political ,economic, ethical, and social FAILURE!
Absolutely. I see. Socialism as tried and proven as a miserable failure merely needs repackaging by the much smarter socialists like say from-------------The USA liberal pool.:rolleyes:

No one is talking about going back to the USSR or starting a new Leninist party.
Not anyone.Yes they are. It is packaged in pretty new boxes wrapped in NewSpeak. Just ask Van Jones.

You're arguing against dead ideas and I agree that those policies failed and we should learn from those failures.Conservatives don't need this lesson, we got it long ago. It's you DIMWIToRAT/liberal/socialist/nanny staters (like you) who need the lesson.


I don't think you understand what socialism is. I may be wrong though.
*slaps forehead*

OK, Why don't you spin us your take on Socialism.

Molon Labe
09-27-2010, 01:08 PM
I don't think you understand what socialism is. I may be wrong though.

It's a form of collective organization, where coercive measures are used to make sure all means of production are controlled by the state and or "people" and all material needs are met.

Sounds great on paper.

Of course...all of this instead of people doing so voluntarily.

m00
09-27-2010, 09:47 PM
I watched Wei Wu Wei's animation and whatnot, and read a little about the guy who made it. Am I the only one who really has no interest in all of this philosophical theorizing? I have to be honest, when I read about all sorts of academic theories, I just want to say "Get to the fucking point." I mean, they use these--as another said here--overwrought explanations and try to essentially baffle you with wordy bullshit, which really, unless you spend most of your time examining life as a theory more than an activity, at least to me, doesn't make sense. Maybe I'm simply an ass, but I don't see why these philosophical types can't just get to the point, say their piece in a few lines or so? Instead they have to baffle you with bullshit and write 1,000 page dissertations. It makes being a scholar and Academia in general look bad.
Am I making any sense here?

get to the point. :p

m00
09-27-2010, 09:48 PM
Can a mod verify that caughtinthemiddle and wei are posting from different IP addresses? It would be hilarious if they were the same person. :D

malloc
09-27-2010, 09:55 PM
It's a form of collective organization, where coercive measures are used to make sure all means of production are controlled by the state and or "people" and all material needs are met.

Sounds great on paper.

Of course...all of this instead of people doing so voluntarily.

Actually, it doesn't even sound all that great on paper when you drill down into the nuts and bolts of what goes into production and ensuring material needs are met. The modern socialist looks to remedy this problem by leaving the nuts and bolts under private control. This way an entrepreneur has the facade of ownership, and is able to act freely within certain, unregulated, areas of his business. Hypothetically, this is how the modern socialist plans to overcome the economic calculation problem. Then the modern socialist, now officially an economic fascist, uses vigorous regulation and taxation to achieve the equal distribution they so crave. Fortunately this has and always will fail catastrophically as well.

Gingersnap
09-27-2010, 10:18 PM
Actually, it doesn't even sound all that great on paper when you drill down into the nuts and bolts of what goes into production and ensuring material needs are met. The modern socialist looks to remedy this problem by leaving the nuts and bolts under private control. This way an entrepreneur has the facade of ownership, and is able to act freely within certain, unregulated, areas of his business. Hypothetically, this is how the modern socialist plans to overcome the economic calculation problem. Then the modern socialist, now officially an economic fascist, uses vigorous regulation and taxation to achieve the equal distribution they so crave. Fortunately this has and always will fail catastrophically as well.

You're describing some of the Social Democracies in Northern Europe. They are bailing just about as fast as their creaky political institutions will permit right now. :p