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Gingersnap
08-19-2008, 12:43 PM
Believing the vicious worst of America
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Andrew Bolt
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 at 09:27am

A new website, AmericaInTheWorld, has commissioned a poll to check how ignorant the British are about America. Answer: Very. For instance:

A poll of nearly 2,000 Britons by YouGov/PHI found that 70 per cent of respondents incorrectly said it was true that the US had done a worse job than the European Union in reducing carbon emissions since 2000. More than 50 per cent presumed that polygamy was legal in the US, when it is illegal in all 50 states. . . .

The survey showed that a majority agreed with the false statement that since the Second World War the US had more often sided with non-Muslims when they had come into conflict with Muslims. In fact in 11 out of 12 major conflicts between Muslims and non-Muslims, Muslims and secular forces, or Arabs and non-Arabs, the US has sided with the former group. Those conflicts included Turkey and Greece, Bosnia and Yugoslavia, and and Kosovo and Yugoslavia.

Asked if it was true that “from 1973 to 1990 the United States sold Saddam Hussein more than a quarter of his weapons,” 80 per cent of British respondents said yes. However the US sold just 0.46 per cent of Saddam’s arsenal to him, compared to Russia’s 57 per cent, France’s 13 per cent and China’s 12 per cent.

Note that the British tend to believe the the imaginary worst of the US. So AmericaInTheWorld, to be launched by British Conservative leader David Cameron, declares war:

America isn’t a perfect nation but it’s not had a fair press in recent times. AmericaInTheWorld.com is an attempt by a few London-based friends of America to make the case that the USA is a fundamentally good nation. We believe that a world without America would be considerably poorer, less healthy and more dangerous and we consequently reject American isolationism as much as we reject anti-Americanism.

It even has published a declaration you can sign.

Now if only Americans could be set straight on some of this stuff. :)

John Bull (http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/believing_the_vicious_worst_of_america/)

Eyelids
08-19-2008, 01:24 PM
We need an image makeover.

YupItsMe
08-19-2008, 01:38 PM
We need an image makeover.

Maybe what we need is a young pretty-boy empty suit that says all the right things to make everybody happy. :rolleyes:

biccat
08-19-2008, 01:50 PM
Maybe what we need is a young pretty-boy empty suit that says all the right things to make everybody happy. :rolleyes:
I think we can all admit that Obama does have a great public image. I think we can also all agree that he has nothing more than an image.

Teetop
08-19-2008, 01:50 PM
Maybe what we need is a young pretty-boy empty suit that says all the right things to make everybody happy. :rolleyes:

That left a big mark!

:D

Eyelids
08-19-2008, 02:12 PM
Maybe what we need is a young pretty-boy empty suit that says all the right things to make everybody happy. :rolleyes:

John McCain isn't young, but pretty is subjective.

lacarnut
08-19-2008, 02:40 PM
We need an image makeover.

We need the media to quit distorting/lying to the world. Since the surge is working, notice how little the press covers it. The press goes into orgastic delight over bad news.

The EU need a makeover. They need to lower taxes (gas, income, VAT,etc.) scrap socialistic health care and give it citizens more freedoms like owning guns.

The US is just fine; it's the EU that's fucked up.

hampshirebrit
08-19-2008, 04:41 PM
We need the media to quit distorting/lying to the world. Since the surge is working, notice how little the press covers it. The press goes into orgastic delight over bad news.

The EU need a makeover. They need to lower taxes (gas, income, VAT,etc.) scrap socialistic health care and give it citizens more freedoms like owning guns.

The US is just fine; it's the EU that's fucked up.

Amen to all of that.

Sonnabend
08-19-2008, 04:42 PM
John McCain isn't young, but pretty is subjective.

Eyelids, you really are THICK.There is an old saying: don't piss off old warriors..they may be old, but how is it you think they got to BE old warriors?

By being meaner, more dangerous than their enemy and having the brains to learn the lessons that kept them alive on the battlefield.That's the second or third time you're sneered at his age....the man is a hero, a soldier and fifty times more the man than you will ever be.

He's faced terrors that a liberal idjit like you would never survive in a thousand years, endured torture at the hands of his enemies, and still got back onto his feet afterward.

In John McCain's case, his age is one of the reasons he is a strong candidate...he's been to Hell, and his back is straight, his eyes clear and his courage unabated.

To you voters are stupid, Americans are stupid, the old are useless, rural Americans are "animals" and need to be "looked after"....why do you hate your homeland and its people so much?

Why is it that I can see the good in people, and the potential for success...and all you can do is sit and sneer and denigrate? What IS it with you, anyway?

Wanna know something, Eyelids? I may be a "foreigner"..but I have more respect and admiration for the US and its people, a better sense of optimism and at least a better sense of perspective than you ever will.

Why do you hate your country..and its people?

OwlMBA
08-19-2008, 04:45 PM
I have spent a lot of time in the UK recently, including the most elite sections of London, and I was shocked at how pro-American everyone was. I felt more support for America and our policies in London than I ever have in my own country.

Europe may hate us, but the UK is a great ally. Don't be fooled - most of the British are conservative and supportive of the liberties that we take for granted.

Phillygirl
08-19-2008, 05:20 PM
I took a look at the website yesterday. It's really quite good. Here is a snippet of their take on Obama and whether or not he will help with regards to the general feeling of anti-Americanism.


In all of our briefings, our authors aim to make a reasonable case and supply the facts and referencing to support the argument made. But some briefings make a more controversial case than others. We consider this one of our more controversial briefings.

Most surveys of global opinion suggest that Barack Obama is the world’s preferred candidate to replace George W Bush. This has led many observers to believe that a victory for Barack Obama will largely end the anti-Americanism of recent years. The reality is more complicated.

Any new President has an opportunity to begin restoring America’s standing in the world
Whoever is elected on Tuesday 4th November 2008 most of the world – rightly or wrongly - will be glad to see George W Bush’s presidency come to its end. His international approval ratings are very poor. Any new President will have an opportunity to give America a fresh start. John McCain’s differences with the Bush administration on environmental policies, Guantanamo Bay and aggressive interrogation techniques such as waterboarding make him better placed than almost any other Republican to appeal to fairer-minded international citizens.
Barack Obama is in a particularly strong position to challenge anti-Americanism
But it is the election of Senator Barack Obama that is likely to have the most electric effect on world opinion (at least in the short-run). Opinion surveys suggest that the Democrat nominee is the favoured choice of the average citizen in nations across the world, especially Europe.[1] His opposition to the Iraq war, his support for multilateral institutions like the UN and his sophisticated speaking style will appeal to many of the people who have been the loudest critics of George W Bush. The election of America’s first black President will also have a dramatic effect. This has even been acknowledged by Senator Obama’s political opponents. Mike Gerson, for example - former chief speechwriter to President George W Bush, has talked of the “dramatic” power of President Obama’s election.[2]

But anti-Americanism did not begin with George W Bush and it wouldn’t end with Barack Obama in the White House
The attacks of 9/11 were the ugliest and bloodiest ever manifestation of anti-Americanism. They may have happened when George W Bush was in the White House but they were planned when President Clinton was Commander-in-Chief. They were executed when Bush was still promising a humbler, less interventionist foreign policy. Although most of the world grieved with America in the weeks after 9/11, many of its critics rejoiced. Le Monde did publish the headline ‘We Are All Americans’ after 11 September 2001 but noted in the text below: “[T]he reality is perhaps also that of an America whose own cynicism has caught up with [it]”.[3] The US Ambassador to London was reduced to tears after a hostile BBC Television audience attempted to blame American foreign policy for the attacks on Washington and New York. Anti-Americanism was alive and kicking before the invasions of either Afghanistan and Iraq.

Much more at link (http://americaintheworld.typepad.com/briefings/2008/08/will-anti-ameri.html)

OwlMBA
08-19-2008, 05:21 PM
We need an image makeover.

Does the black community need an image makeover?

lacarnut
08-19-2008, 05:31 PM
Does the black community need an image makeover?

WOW. That was a knockout punch if I ever saw one. I doubt Junior will answer it though.

Lager
08-19-2008, 06:12 PM
Image is what's on the surface. It's something of a transparency, without much substance. When you say we need an image makeover, it reminds me of kids in high school who will do whatever it takes, even if it's against their nature, just to be popular. Image is fleeting, and subject to fads and whims. The people that I know and have known in the UK, will look beyond the current president, or temporary setbacks and know what America meant in the past, is still what it represents. They will never forget what we shared and continue to share. We may have problems, but we are still a caring, giving and forgiving people. When we don't have challenges for awhile, we might get a bit soft and may even get a little lazy, but don't test us. We work hard, and we hang tough. What's at our core is not going to change simply because your current favorite wins the election. This is still the place that more people want to come to, than want to leave. When you get older, and don't invest so much of your identity and self worth into politics, you may understand.

Constitutionally Speaking
08-19-2008, 06:41 PM
We need an image makeover.


What we REALLY need is for the left to stop LYING about us.:mad:

OwlMBA
08-19-2008, 06:51 PM
WOW. That was a knockout punch if I ever saw one. I doubt Junior will answer it though.

Nothing yet.

Odysseus
08-19-2008, 07:31 PM
What we REALLY need is for the left to stop LYING about us.:mad:

If we keep telling the truth about them, no one will believe their lies.

Eyelids
08-19-2008, 07:49 PM
Does the black community need an image makeover?

Yes.


just typing for 10 letters.

OwlMBA
08-19-2008, 08:02 PM
Yes.


just typing for 10 letters.

Great.

Three follow up questions:

What image do they have today? Who's fault is it? And how should they change it?

Gingersnap
08-19-2008, 08:07 PM
Great.

Three follow up questions:

What image do they have today? Who's fault is it? And how should they change it?

Interesting questions. Maybe deserving of a separate thread.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:31 AM
What image do they have today? Who's fault is it? And how should they change it?

1) Idiots. Mostly criminal idiots.

2) Our own and those who propagate that image, which are mostly racist whites like Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. I like it when people blame rappers, I listen to some rap and it never makes me angry or criminal.

3) Socio-economic diversification of neighborhoods... but you guys hate that and in some backwards capacity find it racist.

biccat
08-20-2008, 10:09 AM
3) Socio-economic diversification of neighborhoods... but you guys hate that and in some backwards capacity find it racist.
How do you plan on keeping the idiots, and criminal idiots, out of these socio-economically diverse neighborhoods?

Not trying to start an argument, but as an honest question. Wealthier people, whether white, black, chinese, mexican, etc, can afford to move out of an area when crime starts to become a problem. If you can't afford to move, then you get stuck with the problem, property values drop, and soon you've got a brand new bad neighborhood.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 11:21 AM
How do you plan on keeping the idiots, and criminal idiots, out of these socio-economically diverse neighborhoods?

Not trying to start an argument, but as an honest question. Wealthier people, whether white, black, chinese, mexican, etc, can afford to move out of an area when crime starts to become a problem. If you can't afford to move, then you get stuck with the problem, property values drop, and soon you've got a brand new bad neighborhood.

You move some of them elsewhere? This is fairly simple. You bulldoze some of hte giant slum towers and build some condo's in their place.

Rebel Yell
08-20-2008, 11:24 AM
You move some of them elsewhere? This is fairly simple. You bulldoze some of hte giant slum towers and build some condo's in their place.

Then where do the criminals go?

I live acroos the street from a black family, two houses down from two dykes, and have transplanted yankees behind me. Do I meet your quota?

Phillygirl
08-20-2008, 11:24 AM
You move some of them elsewhere? This is fairly simple. You bulldoze some of hte giant slum towers and build some condo's in their place.

Huh? The slum towers were built because people said they couldn't afford their own place to live. So now we're supposed to build them nicer places to live?

Rebel Yell
08-20-2008, 11:28 AM
1) Idiots. Mostly criminal idiots.

2) Our own and those who propagate that image, which are mostly racist whites like Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. I like it when people blame rappers, I listen to some rap and it never makes me angry or criminal.

3) Socio-economic diversification of neighborhoods... but you guys hate that and in some backwards capacity find it racist.

Let me shorten that answer for you. It's nobody's fault but the black community. When the black community decides to take responsibilty for......um......something, it can start to pull itself up from the ghetto. As long as life is all about something for nothing, and blaming people who work for they have when the gubment check don't stretch far enough, you'll never amount to shit.

biccat
08-20-2008, 11:38 AM
You move some of them elsewhere?
Who is "them" in this sentence?

Does it refer to the idiots and criminals? If we knew who they were, they (the criminals at least) would be in prison. Also there are family units with criminals and idiots in them, are you suggesting these families get broken up, or do they all get thrown into "elsewhereville"?

If "them" means the poor/socially disadvantaged who drove out the wealthier people, then what makes you think the wealthy won't just flee again? Probably into gated communities where private associations maintain home prices and impose regular monthly fees.


This is fairly simple. You bulldoze some of hte giant slum towers and build some condo's in their place.
So what happens to the people living in the slums? Do they get to move into the nice new condos? How does this change anything? The social makeup will be the same, and unless you deal with the crime and poverty issues, the condos will not be valuable to the types of people you want to attract.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 12:23 PM
You guys are so unfamiliar with urban development it's kind of scary. There are books you can read on this but I'm sure you would never find the time to actually look at them between being amazing Capitalists and investing your money shrewdly and hating the gay and Muslim communities.

It's called gentrification. You mix upper, middle and lower class together. Towers (better known as the projects) are already being torn down in Chicago and there has been success with it. Crime across the city is pretty down as fewer neighborhoods are still "bad" neighborhoods. It's just the ones that are still bad have gotten hugely worse because of a lack of resources for anyone.


Oh and Rebel Yell, you're a fucking honkey piece of shit.

Rebel Yell
08-20-2008, 12:30 PM
You guys are so unfamiliar with urban development it's kind of scary. There are books you can read on this but I'm sure you would never find the time to actually look at them between being amazing Capitalists and investing your money shrewdly and hating the gay and Muslim communities.

It's called gentrification. You mix upper, middle and lower class together. Towers (better known as the projects) are already being torn down in Chicago and there has been success with it. Crime across the city is pretty down as fewer neighborhoods are still "bad" neighborhoods. It's just the ones that are still bad have gotten hugely worse because of a lack of resources for anyone.


Oh and Rebel Yell, you're a fucking honkey piece of shit.

And fuck you, too. Smokefoot.;)

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 12:33 PM
Say what you want to say Rebel Yell, I fucking dare you.

Rebel Yell
08-20-2008, 12:37 PM
Say what you want to say Rebel Yell, I fucking dare you.

******!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't dish it if you can't take it.


P.S. That don't make me racist. A racist is one who don't know the difference in a black man and a ******. Apparently, that would be you.

YupItsMe
08-20-2008, 12:38 PM
Oh and Rebel Yell, you're a fucking honkey piece of shit.

Good God you're stupid. That's honky not honkey!

Rebel Yell
08-20-2008, 12:41 PM
Good God you're stupid. That's honky not honkey!

Kinda like a black guy here a couple years ago set his house on fire. He was the only black family in that neighborhood. He set the house on fire and spray painted "NIGGA GO HOME" on the brick. The spelling of the word, along with the fact he got all his stuff out before the fire, proved he did it.

YupItsMe
08-20-2008, 12:44 PM
Huh? The slum towers were built because people said they couldn't afford their own place to live. So now we're supposed to build them nicer places to live?[/B]


Exactly, but charge them the same rent. It would be nice if you stopped by their apts once a week and stuffed their mailboxes with cash also. :rolleyes:

Rebel Yell
08-20-2008, 12:45 PM
Huh? The slum towers were built because people said they couldn't afford their own place to live. So now we're supposed to build them nicer places to live?


Exactly, but charge them the same rent. It would be nice if you stopped by their apts once a week and stuffed their mailboxes with cash also. :rolleyes:

And they would be slums again within 6 months.

Gingersnap
08-20-2008, 01:33 PM
It's called gentrification.


I do know a little something about this process having been involved in it since the late 80s.

Your textbooks are fine up to a point but they may fail to note that "successful" mixed income housing develops are usually government run operations (in other countries). The people, rich or poor, don't own the land or buildings and they all pay sliding scale rents. There are a large number of social regulations imposed on the renters and the government routinely evicts people who don't fit in.

In this country, gentrification is a process, not an end. People who are willing to risk some debt and use sweat equity buy up marginal property and rehab it. As enough of these people move in to a neighborhood, property prices rise and the area becomes attractive to small businesses that cater to the new people. Eventually, both the businesses and the properties become more upscale and prices dramatically increase. Low income people who own their homes find that it doesn't make economic sense to hold on to their property in that kind of market and they sell. Low income renters find that their landlords are selling.

As the character of neighborhoods change, the demographics also change in a big way. Middle and Upper Middle class people impose their own social norms on the neighborhood. There is a greater police presence due to more complaints. Parks and medians are no longer friendly places for unemployed able-bodied people. Loud parties and noisy cars are reported.

Really wealthy people generally don't live in these areas because of security concerns and a desire for more living space. Really poor people don't live in these areas because they can't afford the rent. A gentrified neighborhood might have 5 coffee bars within walking distance but it won't have even one methadone clinic, WIC operation, or low income day care.

You're fooling yourself with this idea, Blinky.

biccat
08-20-2008, 02:08 PM
You guys are so unfamiliar with urban development it's kind of scary. There are books you can read on this but I'm sure you would never find the time to actually look at them between being amazing Capitalists and investing your money shrewdly and hating the gay and Muslim communities.

You forgot us hating black communities too. And those darn slant-eyes. Not to mention the folk who follow that guy with the funny-looking hat. :rolleyes:

Did I miss anyone?

Like I said, I was honestly curious about what your theory was to "fix" the problem of social and economic inequality. I haven't heard of gentrification any more than you've heard, or care, about the Architectural Works Copyright Protection Act.

At first glance, it doesn't look like it will work absent massive government interference. Personally, I don't want the government to tell me where to live and who I can have as neighbors. I would like to decide that for myself.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:10 PM
Rebel Yell finally shows his true colors... didn't take much to get em out either.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:12 PM
Really wealthy people generally don't live in these areas because of security concerns and a desire for more living space. Really poor people don't live in these areas because they can't afford the rent. A gentrified neighborhood might have 5 coffee bars within walking distance but it won't have even one methadone clinic, WIC operation, or low income day care.

I have first-hand experience that says this is not true.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:13 PM
That don't make me racist. A racist is one who don't know the difference in a black man and a ******.
Learn English, seriously are any of you guys not the product of cousin-fucking?

Phillygirl
08-20-2008, 03:17 PM
Rebel Yell finally shows his true colors... didn't take much to get em out either.

Yeah...looks like it took you making a racist slur to get one thrown back.

OwlMBA
08-20-2008, 03:17 PM
1) Idiots. Mostly criminal idiots.

2) Our own and those who propagate that image, which are mostly racist whites like Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. I like it when people blame rappers, I listen to some rap and it never makes me angry or criminal.

3) Socio-economic diversification of neighborhoods... but you guys hate that and in some backwards capacity find it racist.

Here is the problem - wealthy blacks won't live anywhere near the ghetto. The second they get money, they get the heck out. Ditto wealthy liberal whites who won't practice what they preach.

Why doesn't Barack live in the ghetto? Why don't the wealthy liberal whites move into the ghetto? A few multi-million dollar homes in the bad part of town would do wonders.

Face it, the problem is personal responsibility and a culture of crime and "thug life" combined with liberal hypocrisy that keeps them from living and investing in the poor neighborhoods. Apple and Google are bleeding-left companies, but you don't see any Google offices or Apple stores in Compton.

OwlMBA
08-20-2008, 03:19 PM
[QUOTE=YupItsMe;33804]

And they would be slums again within 6 months.

I have one black family in my upscale neighborhood.

I have one house that has not had the lawn mowed since March (not kidding) and weeds that are over 6 feet tall.

Guess which family lives in that house.....

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:19 PM
Obama actually does live on the notorious (even though it really shouldn't be anymore) south side of Chicago.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:19 PM
Yeah...looks like it took you making a racist slur to get one thrown back.

He's been itching to unload for a while.

OwlMBA
08-20-2008, 03:21 PM
Obama actually does live on the notorious (even though it really shouldn't be anymore) south side of Chicago.

The "southside" of Chicago is probably 500 square miles. He lives in a mansion around other mansions and is surrounded by rich white people.

I am talking about the GHETTO.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:23 PM
The "southside" of Chicago is probably 500 square miles. He lives in a mansion around other mansions and is surrounded by rich white people.

I am talking about the GHETTO.

I'm sorry, but do you even know what neighborhoods of the south side would be the "ghetto"?

OwlMBA
08-20-2008, 03:26 PM
I'm sorry, but do you even know what neighborhoods of the south side would be the "ghetto"?

Dude I am in Chi-town all the time.

And yes, have him setup shop in Bronzeville. Or even Harvey or Riverdale or Engelwood.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:32 PM
Dude I am in Chi-town all the time.

And yes, have him setup shop in Bronzeville. Or even Harvey or Riverdale or Engelwood.

Do you know where he lives now?

OwlMBA
08-20-2008, 03:33 PM
Do you know where he lives now?

Yes. In a mansion on a street surrounded by other mansions owned by rich white people. You call that the ghetto?

Phillygirl
08-20-2008, 03:49 PM
He's been itching to unload for a while.

Not really. You've just been itching to bait someone into saying it.

Gingersnap
08-20-2008, 03:54 PM
I have first-hand experience that says this is not true.

Then your experience isn't about gentrification. Some cities have partnered with developers to create "multi-income housing" but this is not gentrification. It's a temporary, if long term, partnership to subsidize low-income housing. After a certain number of years the partnership is over and the developers can do what they want.

They won't want to rent studio apartments for $400 a month, I can tell you that.

hampshirebrit
08-20-2008, 03:57 PM
Rebel Yell finally shows his true colors... didn't take much to get em out either.

You were the first to hurl racial abuse in this thread.

Stop whining.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:58 PM
Yes. In a mansion on a street surrounded by other mansions owned by rich white people. You call that the ghetto?

No not really. Do you know the neighborhood?

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:59 PM
Not really. You've just been itching to bait someone into saying it.

Look at his signature...

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:59 PM
Then your experience isn't about gentrification. Some cities have partnered with developers to create "multi-income housing" but this is not gentrification. It's a temporary, if long term, partnership to subsidize low-income housing. After a certain number of years the partnership is over and the developers can do what they want.

They won't want to rent studio apartments for $400 a month, I can tell you that.

Developers cant lift a finger without the cities' blessing in Chicago.

Gingersnap
08-20-2008, 04:02 PM
Developers cant lift a finger without the cities' blessing in Chicago.

That must be the reason that Chicago is known throughout North America for its charming architecture, lush parks, safe streets, and successful schools. :rolleyes:

OwlMBA
08-20-2008, 04:06 PM
Developers cant lift a finger without the cities' blessing in Chicago.

You mean that minority, liberal-controlled city?

biccat
08-20-2008, 05:09 PM
Developers cant lift a finger without the cities' blessing in Chicago.
Are we talking about sweet deals made with slumlord developers in Chicago now? Because this might get interesting.

How many Republican presidential candidates abused their position in the Illinois Legislature to get a deal on their homes by refusing to pass meaningful reform to force slumlords to fix their property?

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 05:10 PM
That must be the reason that Chicago is known throughout North America for its charming architecture, lush parks, safe streets, and successful schools. :rolleyes:

We are extremely well known for our architecture and lush parks. Millenium Park is world-renowned and the 2 tallest buildings in North America are in Chicago. The new tallest North American building is being built now in the city.

Shut your mouth.

Gingersnap
08-20-2008, 05:31 PM
We are extremely well known for our architecture and lush parks. Millenium Park is world-renowned and the 2 tallest buildings in North America are in Chicago. The new tallest North American building is being built now in the city.

Shut your mouth.

LOL! Chicago is widely known as a gang-infested slum with crumbling infrastructure, exceptionally poor schools, rampant drug abuse, and violent crime.

About the only thing Chicago can boast about is the presence of the Harpo studios. Some people would also list that on High Crime side of the books.

Odysseus
08-20-2008, 05:33 PM
1) Idiots. Mostly criminal idiots.
2) Our own and those who propagate that image, which are mostly racist whites like Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. I like it when people blame rappers, I listen to some rap and it never makes me angry or criminal.

First, I dispute the claim that Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly are racists. That's just lazy thinking. Besides, they don't propogate the image of African-Americans as gansters, thugs, baby mamas and bling addicts, the mainstream media does that.

Second, while listening to rap doesn't make you a ganster, rap deliberately creates the impression that rappers are gangsters, and that this is the face of young black men. Worse, it reinforces a culture of thuggishness that others are pressured to emulate. Between that and the less than exemplary behavior of some prominent African-Americans (Michael Vick, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, pretty much any rapper or NBA athlete), and you have a public persona of irresponsible sexuality, mindless consumption (bling, anyone?) and violence. Now, you and I both know that white America has its share of embarassments, but they're not the only face presented in the mainstream media. The media's insistence on presenting ghetto conduct as representative of of the whole community, and the community's failure to take them to task for it, is what does the damage. If you want to have a makeover of the image of African-Americans, then African-Americans have to stop tolerating the conduct that creates the image.

3) Socio-economic diversification of neighborhoods... but you guys hate that and in some backwards capacity find it racist.[/QUOTE]
Forcing people to live one place or another based on race is racist, no matter what the intent is. There's nothing backwards about seeing that for what it is. When you make the assumption that race somehow makes a difference in terms of diversity, you've bought into the same logic as the segregationists, the only difference being that you're claiming that the difference is a positive, while they claimed that it was a negative. If you start seeing race as an individual's defining characteristic, then you lose sight of that individual and turn him/her into a stereotype. That does no one any favors.

Rebel Yell
08-21-2008, 09:45 AM
Learn English, seriously are any of you guys not the product of cousin-fucking?

If it wasn't for us cousin-fuckers, you wouldn't be in college right now. You'd be riding naked on a zebra with a fucking bone through your nose.

I dare say there's more inbreeding in your background than mine. It's a matter of numbers. Slaves reproduced within the plantation. Even if there's 100 slaves on that plantation, withnin two generations they're all kin. Think about it.

You can try to turn this into Rebel Yell hates black people all you want, but fact is I just don't tiptoe around insulting a black person no more than I do anyone else. That is true equal rights across the board. Oh yeah, you can still go fuck yourself.

Gingersnap
08-21-2008, 09:56 AM
If it wasn't for us cousin-fuckers, you wouldn't be in college right now. You'd be riding naked on a zebra with a fucking bone through your nose.

Dude, I've got to admit that this is one of the more colorful and hilarious insults I've seen on CU. :D

Rebel Yell
08-21-2008, 10:06 AM
Dude, I've got to admit that this is one of the more colorful and hilarious insults I've seen on CU. :D

Channeling my inner Michael Richards.:D


On a serious note, I'm just not gonna kiss that fuckers ass because he's black. I know lots of white people will tiptoe around blacks for fear of being called racist. I don't really give a fuck, as long as I know I'm not. As I've said before, my ex wife didn't think I was racist. Her being black and all.:rolleyes:

Rebel Yell
08-21-2008, 10:09 AM
Eyelids, I'm sure you'll like this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPnhuJsGe2k

OwlMBA
08-21-2008, 11:44 AM
If it wasn't for us cousin-fuckers, you wouldn't be in college right now. You'd be riding naked on a zebra with a fucking bone through your nose.

I dare say there's more inbreeding in your background than mine. It's a matter of numbers. Slaves reproduced within the plantation. Even if there's 100 slaves on that plantation, withnin two generations they're all kin. Think about it.

You can try to turn this into Rebel Yell hates black people all you want, but fact is I just don't tiptoe around insulting a black person no more than I do anyone else. That is true equal rights across the board. Oh yeah, you can still go fuck yourself.

Actually, I think that would be a step up for most of black America. Right until the Zebra got repo'd and the bone turned out to be a cheap Chinese knockoff.

OwlMBA
08-21-2008, 11:47 AM
Eyelids, I'm sure you'll like this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPnhuJsGe2k

DAC is an Ohio boy.

Rebel Yell
08-21-2008, 11:47 AM
Actually, I think that would be a step up for most of black America. Right until the Zebra got repo'd and the bone turned out to be a cheap Chinese knockoff.

Zebra wouldn't get repo'd as long as bill was due on the third.;)

Rebel Yell
08-21-2008, 11:48 AM
DAC is an Ohio boy.

I have a CD full of em. Funny shit to me.:D

OwlMBA
08-21-2008, 11:53 AM
Zebra wouldn't get repo'd as long as bill was due on the third.;)

Haha. Reminded me of this for some reason...

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=24406&title=reparations-2003

Rebel Yell
08-21-2008, 12:03 PM
These are some what comes to mind when I think of Eyelids.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii59/Cane_Nation/Crook.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii59/Cane_Nation/Naggers-1-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii59/Cane_Nation/inki-1.jpg