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Odysseus
10-07-2010, 12:02 PM
In the liberal Icon thread, Moo and I had the following exchange:


Yeah, well if artists weren't crazy they probably wouldn't be good artists.

I don't buy that. There have been lots of sane artists over the years whose greatness is not is dispute. The whole idea of the artist as "rebel" and iconoclast is a recent invention (remember that artists also produced the icons in the first place), which started with the impressionists, who were rebelling against a very stuffy arts establishment in France, and came to fruition with the post-impressionist abstract movements in which there were no objective standards by which to evaluate the "art" produced by the likes of Jackson Pollack, with the result that "acting like and artist" became as much a part of the tools used to market art as the work itself.

But when you think about great art, do you think about Abstract Expressionism, Dadaism or Fauvism, or do you think of the Renaissance, the Baroque, the Pre-Raphaelites, the Neo-Classissists and the realists? Do you picture this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/29/Newman-Onement_1.jpg/70px-Newman-Onement_1.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/38/Kline_no2.jpg/220px-Kline_no2.jpg
Or this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Mona_Lisa.jpeg/220px-Mona_Lisa.jpeg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/David-Oath_of_the_Horatii-1784.jpg/220px-David-Oath_of_the_Horatii-1784.jpg

So, in the interests of killing time, filling a thread and driving Wilbur crazy trying to define greatness objectively, I want to see what everyone here considers great art.

Odysseus
10-07-2010, 12:10 PM
Here are a couple of pieces that I consider great:

http://www.rockwellsite.com/files/cl/2_full.jpg
You can't really appreciate it in a digital reproduction, but in the original, which was in a gallery show at the Guggenheim a few years ago, the individual heads turn into the canvas with an amazing sense of depth. Doing that entails the building of subtle layers of glazes so that the light on the deepest layers seems to be coming from farther away. It's a tough trick to pull off without losing the crispness of the edges and the definition of forms, and only the very best painters can do it. Rockwell was also an impeccable draftsman. His faces are superbly drawn, but a comparison with his photo references shows just how much he would push and pull features to create greater animation in his people. Had he lived a few centuries earlier, we'd hold him up with the greatest of Renaissance painters. As it is, his reputation suffers among intellectuals for having done kitschy images of Americana.
http://www.rockwellsite.com/files/cl/4_full.jpg

NJCardFan
10-07-2010, 12:12 PM
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/PF%5C82005/PF_1114641.jpg

I love Norman Rockwell's stuff.

Odysseus
10-07-2010, 12:23 PM
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/PF%5C82005/PF_1114641.jpg

I love Norman Rockwell's stuff.

Nice. Now, what else to you like? I don't want this to be a Rockwell thread, even though I'm second to none in my admiration for him.

Wei Wu Wei
10-07-2010, 12:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY1Lr-yGtd8

Not only fantastic in it's own right, but watching him do it is performance art.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-07-2010, 12:42 PM
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5103/originallp9.jpg

Phillygirl
10-07-2010, 12:44 PM
http://julieluongo.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/christinas_world.jpg

Phillygirl
10-07-2010, 12:50 PM
Here are a couple of pieces that I consider great:


You can't really appreciate it in a digital reproduction, but in the original, which was in a gallery show at the Guggenheim a few years ago, the individual heads turn into the canvas with an amazing sense of depth. Doing that entails the building of subtle layers of glazes so that the light on the deepest layers seems to be coming from farther away. It's a tough trick to pull off without losing the crispness of the edges and the definition of forms, and only the very best painters can do it. Rockwell was also an impeccable draftsman. His faces are superbly drawn, but a comparison with his photo references shows just how much he would push and pull features to create greater animation in his people. Had he lived a few centuries earlier, we'd hold him up with the greatest of Renaissance painters. As it is, his reputation suffers among intellectuals for having done kitschy images of Americana.


I am certainly not an art aficionado, but it really is amazing how differently a piece of art looks in person than it does from just a print. A few years ago I was at one of the Smithsonians and saw some Monets, Manets, and a Picasso in person. I was blown away by them.

FlaGator
10-07-2010, 01:11 PM
I love the art work of Salvador Dali

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/flagator/toreador.jpg

Gingersnap
10-07-2010, 02:51 PM
http://i56.tinypic.com/2woi06h.jpg

linda22003
10-07-2010, 03:42 PM
You beat me to "Flaming June"! :)

linda22003
10-07-2010, 03:49 PM
http://jssgallery.org/paintings/Carnation_Lily_Lily_Rose_B.jpg

Gingersnap
10-07-2010, 04:29 PM
This is a work after Bouguereau, and was done a month after picking up a brush for the very first time with no previous art training, I did 2 original paintings before I did this. this is a 3648 oil painting, I started getting a lot of commissions after I did this! That was 20 years ago! - Van Cordle

http://i52.tinypic.com/j7qdfs.jpg

hampshirebrit
10-07-2010, 04:46 PM
http://www.artandnature.com/doolittle/twomoreindianhorses2.jpg

Bev Doolittle. I'm a sucker for her stuff. This is the middle panel from a triptych I have in my living room.

Arroyo_Doble
10-07-2010, 04:51 PM
http://www.edruscha.com/assets/images/artwork/medium/120.jpg

Arroyo_Doble
10-07-2010, 04:52 PM
http://www.tamsquare.net/pictures/H/Edward-Hopper-Eleven-A.M.-.jpg

Odysseus
10-07-2010, 06:00 PM
http://i52.tinypic.com/j7qdfs.jpg

I love Bouguereau, and he is tough to copy. His flesh tones are among the most subtle that I've ever seen, and even a rough copy is impressive. Here's the original, for comparison:
http://sanguinfineart.com/school/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/William-Adolphe_Bouguereau_1825-1905_-_Nymphs_and_Satyr_1873-717x1024.jpg

warpig
10-07-2010, 06:39 PM
http://images.bimedia.net/images/remington+art.jpg

http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/citi/images/standard/WebLarge/WebImg_000116/5004_1173923.jpg

patriot45
10-07-2010, 06:50 PM
Always a favorite!
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i230/patriot45270/september/040822munch-painting.jpg

And who can resist this classic!

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i230/patriot45270/september/dogspoker.jpg

And scary pics that have a pancake will never get old! :D

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i230/patriot45270/september/hillary_clinton_pancake.jpg

Zathras
10-07-2010, 07:09 PM
Don't know if you'd consider this great art but I do because I painted it....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/HeroesAtWork/RandyGrundstrom_b.jpg

Apache
10-07-2010, 07:17 PM
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/Anseladams260608_450x300.jpg


Ansel Adams had quite the eye...

Gingersnap
10-07-2010, 09:50 PM
I love Bouguereau, and he is tough to copy. His flesh tones are among the most subtle that I've ever seen, and even a rough copy is impressive.

To tell you the truth, I believe I prefer the copy; it's crisper and color is somehow more evocative. I was just impressed as hell that it was only the guy's third time out of the chute. :eek:

warpig
10-08-2010, 12:11 AM
http://www.sessionmagazine.com/img/artwork/Picasso_paintings/picasso1.jpg

Early Picasso, before he started chasing the "Green Fairy"

NJCardFan
10-08-2010, 12:19 AM
http://bp0.blogger.com/_PgzWtj7VIiM/Rh50RKrsCkI/AAAAAAAACDQ/jUFi4Tn0xu0/s400/Batman+by+Alex+Ross.jpg

http://www.gunaxin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/robin-2.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B49rvfQPG60/SKlu_oaj_FI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/r37feLiwQ7E/s400/hush.jpg

Some comic book art can be really good.

Odysseus
10-08-2010, 01:48 PM
Don't know if you'd consider this great art but I do because I painted it....
I hadn't planned on including my own artwork, but...
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs207.snc1/7423_1116559514165_1232285306_30290185_7029815_n.j pg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs119.snc1/4867_1080384409810_1232285306_30196512_7631352_n.j pg

Arroyo_Doble
10-08-2010, 02:00 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs119.snc1/4867_1080384409810_1232285306_30196512_7631352_n.j pg

Cool!

hampshirebrit
10-08-2010, 04:03 PM
Not bad at all.

I didn't know CU had such artistic talent on board.

Zafod
10-08-2010, 04:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY1Lr-yGtd8

Not only fantastic in it's own right, but watching him do it is performance art.

and not original. shit I bought somthing done just like that in san diego 15 years ago.

no different than any other street urchin.....

Zafod
10-08-2010, 04:50 PM
I have always liked monet

http://bekaht88.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/monet-giverny.jpg

http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/artistic/wallpapers/monet-les-coquelicots-a-agenteuil.jpg

http://www.freewebs.com/gilcarosio/photos_Claude%20monet%20%20-%20Impressist%20Painter%20-%201840%20-%201926/monet_magpie.jpg

Odysseus
10-08-2010, 10:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY1Lr-yGtd8

Not only fantastic in it's own right, but watching him do it is performance art.
It's okay. Basically, the guy is a very proficient van painter, but that's not exactly the pinnacle of art, or even of that style of art.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/igallo/Johns.jpg

To tell you the truth, I believe I prefer the copy; it's crisper and color is somehow more evocative. I was just impressed as hell that it was only the guy's third time out of the chute. :eek:
I prefer the original but for a third attempt, it's impressive as all hell, and as I said before, Bouguereau is tough to copy. The crispness comes from having a brighter palette, which produces greater contrasts, but that's a less sophisticated technique. Bouguereau's fleshtones almost pulse with life, while these simply convey form through the pattern of light and dark, and remember that Bouguereau did most of that thinking for him.

Not bad at all.

I didn't know CU had such artistic talent on board.
Thanks.

Zathras
10-08-2010, 10:28 PM
Not bad at all.

I didn't know CU had such artistic talent on board.

Thanks. Currently working on some Space Marines for Warhammer 40,000. I'll post pics of them when I get some done.

Nubs
10-08-2010, 10:35 PM
Here is the link to a little art thing that just finished up in town. Art Prize (http://www.artprize.org/)

Most of it was in the eye of the beholder, but some of it was pretty cool

Wei Wu Wei
10-09-2010, 12:06 PM
http://www.artandnature.com/doolittle/twomoreindianhorses2.jpg

Bev Doolittle. I'm a sucker for her stuff. This is the middle panel from a triptych I have in my living room.

this is amazing

Zafod
10-12-2010, 08:58 AM
this is amazing
Yeah its real art not like that video of the "tagger" you posted.

Odysseus
10-12-2010, 11:59 AM
Yeah its real art not like that video of the "tagger" you posted.

Wei is a multiculturalist. A mediocre spraypainter may or may not be his idea of great art, but he knows, at some level, that by elevating mediocrity he can eliminate the idea of excellence.

Zafod
10-12-2010, 01:02 PM
Wei is a multiculturalist. A mediocre spraypainter may or may not be his idea of great art, but he knows, at some level, that by elevating mediocrity he can eliminate the idea of excellence.

oh snaps n shit yo.

Odysseus
10-12-2010, 01:49 PM
oh snaps n shit yo.

Uh, okay...? :confused:

Hey! Does anybody here speak Ebonics?

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-12-2010, 02:01 PM
Wei is a multiculturalist. A mediocre spraypainter may or may not be his idea of great art, but he knows, at some level, that by elevating mediocrity he can eliminate the idea of excellence.


Excellence is a racist, evil capitalistic thing which must be eliminated in Marxist-Leninist state, comradista.

Zafod
10-12-2010, 02:19 PM
Uh, okay...? :confused:

Hey! Does anybody here speak Ebonics?

I was responding like a tagger street urchin wannabe artist.

I dont blame you for being confused. I work with a bunch of ignorant people who talk like this to clients over the phone.

makes you wonder how they even got the job. wink wink....

Arroyo_Doble
10-12-2010, 02:30 PM
http://www.puppetgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/chuck-close.jpg

Rockntractor
10-12-2010, 02:31 PM
http://www.puppetgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/chuck-close.jpg
How old were you?:confused:

Zafod
10-12-2010, 04:33 PM
http://www.puppetgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/chuck-close.jpg

must be a self portrait.

your traps are not proportionate.....

Arroyo_Doble
10-12-2010, 05:28 PM
How old were you?:confused:

That was a level of talent few mortals have; least of all me.

Here's another one (different artist, though):


http://pilgrims3.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/cah.jpg

Rockntractor
10-12-2010, 05:32 PM
That was a level of talent few mortals have; least of all me.

Here's another one (different artist, though):


http://pilgrims3.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/cah.jpg

Nice um, I bet that was a real chick magnet when you were younger!

Arroyo_Doble
10-12-2010, 05:35 PM
Nice um, I bet that was a real chick magnet when you were younger!

Chicks dig the artists, man ....


http://www.aeolia.net/lifeofmind/wyeth%20-%20helga.jpg

Articulate_Ape
10-12-2010, 06:11 PM
I hadn't planned on including my own artwork, but...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs119.snc1/4867_1080384409810_1232285306_30196512_7631352_n.j pg


That is excellent, Odysseus!

Here is one of mine...

http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/JamesSavant/Woman-in-charcoal10th.jpg

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-12-2010, 06:15 PM
Wei is a multiculturalist. A mediocre spraypainter may or may not be his idea of great art, but he knows, at some level, that by elevating mediocrity he can eliminate the idea of excellence.


Nice um, I bet that was a real chick magnet when you were younger!


That was a level of talent few mortals have; least of all me.

Here's another one (different artist, though):


http://pilgrims3.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/cah.jpg

Ah, the Wagon Queen Family Truckster!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XIRWX53FbH8/R8EOGr_kWeI/AAAAAAAAAiE/-4k-01YHaEQ/s400/Vacation_familytruckster.jpg

Articulate_Ape
10-12-2010, 06:29 PM
Heh. :D

Odysseus
10-13-2010, 05:08 PM
That is excellent, Odysseus!

Here is one of mine...

http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/JamesSavant/Woman-in-charcoal10th.jpg

Neat. Here are a couple more of mine:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs119.snc1/4867_1080384169804_1232285306_30196506_3178169_n.j pg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs119.snc1/4867_1080384289807_1232285306_30196509_6949440_n.j pg

Arroyo_Doble
10-13-2010, 05:26 PM
Ears are a bitch.

Good job.

Odysseus
10-13-2010, 05:36 PM
And one more.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs119.snc1/4867_1080384369809_1232285306_30196511_1457057_n.j pg

Odysseus
10-13-2010, 05:39 PM
Ears are a bitch.

Good job.

Thanks. I was taught by one of the best. He told me that the ear consists of a curved "Y" shape within the outer cup. Ever since then, they've made sense to me.

Look at Bridgeman's Heads, Features and Faces and John Vanderpoel's figure drawing book. They give great instruction on the various features.

Articulate_Ape
10-13-2010, 05:58 PM
Neat. Here are a couple more of mine:



Good stuff, man.

Last one I'll post 'cause this is supposed to be about great art.

http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/JamesSavant/OxsanSmall.jpg