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Cseeman
10-08-2010, 03:55 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4569312

How in the world do liberals get away with saying FDR's government work program worked..... unemployment did not move in inch from 1932- 1941...... And i wonder what happened in 1941.... let me see what..... harbor and we went into war production mode. The economy came back because INDUSTRY started to make things and people wanted the products INDUSTRY was producing.....

I would love for a smart intelligent lib( LOL ) to explain to me the meaning of this amazing coincendence. or to rephrase the question ...why did unemployment suddenly start to fall in 1941 when FDR started his make work programs in 1933-34... mmmmmmm boy that is amazing that FDr's programs started working exactly when we entered world war 2... what a bummer for FDR mmmm now he gets no credit for his wonderful programs

sort of the New York times writer lamenting that September 11 did not happen on Clinton's watch and therefore Clinton was not able to show us what a great leader he really was ....

UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-08-2010, 05:26 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4569312

How in the world do liberals get away with saying FDR's government work program worked..... unemployment did not move in inch from 1932- 1941...... And i wonder what happened in 1941.... let me see what..... harbor and we went into war production mode. The economy came back because INDUSTRY started to make things and people wanted the products INDUSTRY was producing.....

I would love for a smart intelligent lib( LOL ) to explain to me the meaning of this amazing coincendence. or to rephrase the question ...why did unemployment suddenly start to fall in 1941 when FDR started his make work programs in 1933-34... mmmmmmm boy that is amazing that FDr's programs started working exactly when we entered world war 2... what a bummer for FDR mmmm now he gets no credit for his wonderful programs

sort of the New York times writer lamenting that September 11 did not happen on Clinton's watch and therefore Clinton was not able to show us what a great leader he really was ....

UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE

Unemployment actually went from something like 25% when he took office in 1933 to being 14% in 1937, just four years later.

Constitutionally Speaking
10-08-2010, 06:25 PM
Unemployment actually went from something like 25% when he took office in 1933 to being 14% in 1937, just four years later.


ANd then back up again

swirling_vortex
10-08-2010, 06:52 PM
Unemployment actually went from something like 25% when he took office in 1933 to being 14% in 1937, just four years later.
For a short time. However, there were several events that didn't kick in all at once until 1937 which had an impact on unemployment.

-First, we had a Federal Reserve with a rather loose monetary policy in the 1920s that created the typical credit bubble that soon burst on the stock maket.
-We had the Smoot-Hawley tariff, which basically destroyed what trade we had with the world.
-We had much tighter regulation of the stock market, which thinned out investors.
-Business were subjected to much stiffer regulations and labor laws, such as the Wagner Act.
-There were two revenue acts that raised taxes, one by Hoover and one by Roosevelt.

There are some more reasons here: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article16941.html

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-08-2010, 07:01 PM
For a short time. However, there were several events that didn't kick in all at once until 1937 which had an impact on unemployment.

-First, we had a Federal Reserve with a rather loose monetary policy in the 1920s that created the typical credit bubble that soon burst on the stock maket.
-We had the Smoot-Hawley tariff, which basically destroyed what trade we had with the world.
-We had much tighter regulation of the stock market, which thinned out investors.
-Business were subjected to much stiffer regulations and labor laws, such as the Wagner Act.
-There were two revenue acts that raised taxes, one by Hoover and one by Roosevelt.

There are some more reasons here: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article16941.html

Yeah.
I don't believe, as many on the right do, that Roosevelt himself prolonged the Depression, nor do I believe as many on the left do that Hoover himself caused it. It was long in coming and it was painful, and I do believe both tried what they thought was right in both situations; Hate Hoover or Roosevelt all you like but I don't think they wanted the Great Depression to be "Great."

And I still stand by my opinion that Roosevelt had to be doing something right. The people could've kicked him out on his ass in 1936 and 1940 before we got involved in WWII, but they re-elected him with large margins both times. None of his victories were like Clinton's ''just won'' victories, 1936 was a massive landslide and 1940 was a pretty large victory as well.

I do think elections are to an extent referedums on the people running or their ideas. Case in point, Reagan in '84--With such a large victory in 1984, as with Roosevelt's in 1936, I think it was that the people were geuninely behind them, whereas look at Clinton in 92 and 96. The public wasn't behind him.

Cseeman
10-08-2010, 09:06 PM
Milton Friedman did a complete analysis of what happened in the 30's and in his report he states FDR's program had little affect on unemployment

Please stop rewritting history

Rockntractor
10-08-2010, 09:10 PM
Milton Friedman did a complete analysis of what happened in the 30's and in his report he states FDR's program had little affect on unemployment

Please stop rewritting history

I got two very nice hand dug water wells on my place because of the program though.

Cseeman
10-08-2010, 09:17 PM
roosevelt got reelceted the first time because we were in a depression and people did not want to change. The second time because we were in a war....

I believe FDR knew exactly what he was doing and wanted to move the country toward socialism... just like OBAMA currently wants too

The only thing his new deal stimulis did was make the people think he was doing something...

the economic facts are the economic facts ....government spending does not stimulate the economy because the money government receives is money that is just re distributed. I am sorry but i am soo pissed at these people that try to rewrite economic therory. I am speaking of Pelosi saying the food stamp program has a multiplier effect.

The experiments that helped explain the multipler were tried on government spending and were shown to have zero effect....The multipler ( the entire basis for spending your way out of depression ) works when new monies are spent to purchase newly produced goods... period

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-09-2010, 03:41 AM
roosevelt got reelceted the first time because we were in a depression and people did not want to change. The second time because we were in a war....

I believe FDR knew exactly what he was doing and wanted to move the country toward socialism... just like OBAMA currently wants too

The only thing his new deal stimulis did was make the people think he was doing something...

the economic facts are the economic facts ....government spending does not stimulate the economy because the money government receives is money that is just re distributed. I am sorry but i am soo pissed at these people that try to rewrite economic therory. I am speaking of Pelosi saying the food stamp program has a multiplier effect.

The experiments that helped explain the multipler were tried on government spending and were shown to have zero effect....The multipler ( the entire basis for spending your way out of depression ) works when new monies are spent to purchase newly produced goods... period

If people were in a depression and didn't want change, why did they kick Hoover out in 1932 as the Depression seemed to be only getting worse and worse?

Also, in November 1940 we weren't at war and he got re-elected for the second time. We didn't enter WWII until December 1941.

Cseeman
10-09-2010, 09:59 AM
1940 the world was at war if you know history you know that in 1939 Germandy invaded polland and by late 1940 almost all of europe was under nazi control. the american people knew we were going to end up in war.

If you were to review the political speeches by roosevelt during the 1940 election cycle he argued that it was not a good idea to replace the leader because the world was intangled in war. This was Roosevelts own strategy..... did you ever ask yourself why he did not run on his government programs...... well i will tell you because during the election cycle of 1940 unemployment was in the low to middle teens and he would have been slammed.

In 1930 the election cycle the brougt FDR into the white house was actually the worst part of the depression from an economic point of view. Meaning the stock market had fallen to new lows, unemployment was at its highest and WE WERE IN DEEP TROUBLE. The previous year 1929 the stock market had fallen to new lows and around 1930 the people were just starting to feel the consequences of the stock market crash. This meant that Hoover basically had nothing to run on and again if you look at Roosevelt's strategy for winning in 1930 it was throw the bums out. Basically FDR was lucky he was able to run initially on a platform of we need to change course and he was able to maintain the presidentcy on a platform of now is not the time to change course.

As far as Hoover is concerned on the basis of all conservative values he was probably the third worst president of the 1900. second only to Carter and Nixon