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CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-10-2010, 10:21 AM
This is just a short list, not complete

Dwight D. Eisenhower
Calvin Coolidge
Lyndon Johnson
Richard M. Nixon
FDR
Warren G. Harding
JFK
Abe Lincoln
Harry S. Truman
Theodore Roosevelt
George H.W. Bush

Odysseus
10-10-2010, 11:11 AM
This is just a short list, not complete

Dwight D. Eisenhower
Calvin Coolidge
Lyndon Johnson
Richard M. Nixon
FDR
Warren G. Harding
JFK
Abe Lincoln
Harry S. Truman
Theodore Roosevelt
George H.W. Bush

Ronald Reagan.
George Washington
Warren G. Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison

warpig
10-10-2010, 11:13 AM
Washington
Lincoln
Truman

m00
10-10-2010, 11:15 AM
Jefferson

Molon Labe
10-10-2010, 12:55 PM
Jefferson

^

Washington....

Yep, that's about it.

KhrushchevsShoe
10-10-2010, 05:52 PM
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Eisenhower
Clinton

m00
10-10-2010, 05:53 PM
Clinton

Which one? :p

KhrushchevsShoe
10-10-2010, 06:03 PM
The one that was president.

m00
10-10-2010, 06:05 PM
The one that was president.

Yeah, my biggest complaint about Clinton was that he signed the DMCA into law. We're still paying for that one with our rights.

Rockntractor
10-10-2010, 09:27 PM
Day jaw voodoo!:rolleyes:
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=21632

Odysseus
10-10-2010, 09:35 PM
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Eisenhower
Clinton

Clinton? You cannot be serious. Do you just enjoy sordid scandals and love him for the entertainment value?

m00
10-10-2010, 10:25 PM
Clinton? You cannot be serious. Do you just enjoy sordid scandals and love him for the entertainment value?

We were actually running a surplus under Clinton. Now whether you want to attribute that to Newt Gingrich or Clinton is another story.

But it does seems like CU in general is very good at attributing a success/failure to Current/Past Congress/President when convenient. :p

Rockntractor
10-10-2010, 10:39 PM
We were actually running a surplus under Clinton. Now whether you want to attribute that to Newt Gingrich or Clinton is another story.

But it does seems like CU in general is very good at attributing a success/failure to Current/Past Congress/President when convenient. :p

So you really want to go on record giving Clinton credit for this instead of the Republican control of both houses, you do realize if it wasn't for the Republicans we would have had national health care back then.
I person could spend weeks refuting your last post and never exhaust all the material.

Odysseus
10-10-2010, 11:21 PM
We were actually running a surplus under Clinton. Now whether you want to attribute that to Newt Gingrich or Clinton is another story.

But it does seems like CU in general is very good at attributing a success/failure to Current/Past Congress/President when convenient. :p

Clinton had the good fortune to take office at the end of the S&L bailout, which had been driving up GHW Bush's deficits. The end of the Resolution Trust Corporation reduced his budgets by about $200 billion annually. Clinton also made massive defense cuts. Those were the only areas where spending declined under Clinton, and he expanded spending in other areas, but was restrained by congress. Also, his last two years in office were spent almost entirely in bunker mode, as he fought impeachment.

In terms of competence, he was barely able to keep the peace that he inherited, and his use of the military demonstrated a profound inability to think strategically. He was distracted, lacked focus (except on his own pleasure) and more concerned with image than substance.

Clinton wasn't the worst president, but he was the worst man who ever was president.

m00
10-10-2010, 11:36 PM
So you really want to go on record giving Clinton credit for this instead of the Republican control of both houses, you do realize if it wasn't for the Republicans we would have had national health care back then.
I person could spend weeks refuting your last post and never exhaust all the material.

I seem to recall for most of Clinton's first term, Democrats had the Congress. In his second term, Republicans had Congress. It switched from D->R in 95, and then from R->D in 2001. Yet I hear Republicans praised for "good times" in the 90s, and yet it's Clinton's fault the bubble burst. All I'm saying is that one can't have it both ways. Note HW Bush suffered under a D Congress, as did some of Reagan. Blame Congress/Blame the President vs Praise Congress/Praise the President seems to be entirely based on the little letter by the names. That's simply my observation.

noonwitch
10-11-2010, 08:54 AM
Both Roosevelts, although I'm biased because I share an ancestor with FDR.

Ford, but I'm from Grand Rapids and I have to say that!

Clinton

Nixon, believe it or not. If only he hadn't been so paranoid.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-11-2010, 08:57 AM
Both Roosevelts, although I'm biased because I share an ancestor with FDR.

Ford, but I'm from Grand Rapids and I have to say that!

Clinton

Nixon, believe it or not. If only he hadn't been so paranoid.

Very cool =]
I wish I shared some lineage with a President.
And good choices, including Nixon. He was a good president, he just let his demons undo him. To be fair, though, the liberal media wanted to GET him. As he put it, he gave them a sword, and they twisted it in with relish.

Arroyo_Doble
10-11-2010, 09:17 AM
James K. Polk

Rockntractor
10-11-2010, 09:20 AM
James K. Polk

He also invented the fabric with the dots all over for womans dresses.

Arroyo_Doble
10-11-2010, 09:23 AM
He also invented the fabric with the dots all over for womans dresses.

You suck!

hoplophobe
10-11-2010, 10:09 AM
John Hanson

obx
10-11-2010, 11:05 AM
Jeff Davis
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Odysseus
10-11-2010, 12:00 PM
He also invented the fabric with the dots all over for womans dresses.

Hell of an accordion player, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbJIlEd6jA

noonwitch
10-11-2010, 12:43 PM
John Hanson


LOL. I actually know who he was. We learned about him in 8th grade history. The president from the post-revolutionary, pre-Constitution time. Under the Articles of Confederacy.

Constitutionally Speaking
10-11-2010, 06:27 PM
Best?? Reagan and Washington.



Worst?? Carter and Obama.

FeebMaster
10-11-2010, 11:08 PM
William Henry Harrison

CaughtintheMiddle1990
11-19-2010, 06:54 AM
Harry S. Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Richard M. Nixon
Warren G. Harding
Lyndon Johnson
FDR
Gerald Ford
Calvin Coolidge
JFK
George H.W. Bush

A revised list.

Starbuck
11-19-2010, 08:29 AM
This is just a short list, not complete

Dwight D. Eisenhower
Calvin Coolidge
Lyndon Johnson
Richard M. Nixon
FDR
Warren G. Harding
JFK
Abe Lincoln
Harry S. Truman
Theodore Roosevelt
George H.W. Bush
This list leaves me more than a little puzzled.

How did Warren G Harding get on the list? Harding is usually on a short list of the worst Presidents ever, being credited with only looking Presidential. Nothing else.

And Johnson? Seriously?

Starbuck
11-19-2010, 08:31 AM
Both Roosevelts, although I'm biased because I share an ancestor with FDR.

Ford, but I'm from Grand Rapids and I have to say that!

Clinton

Nixon, believe it or not. If only he hadn't been so paranoid.

If you share an ancestor with FDR, shouldn't you share one with Teddy. And since FDR was cousin to both Winston Churchill and Douglas MacArthur don't you have a claim to those as well?

Odysseus
11-19-2010, 01:10 PM
This list leaves me more than a little puzzled.

How did Warren G Harding get on the list? Harding is usually on a short list of the worst Presidents ever, being credited with only looking Presidential. Nothing else.

And Johnson? Seriously?

Harding gets a bad rap from historians. He took office during the depression of 1920, which was caused by Wilson's "Wartime Socialism" policies. He immediately cut government spending and tax rates, resulting in the economic boom of the "Roaring 20s". Historians on the left (i.e., the vast majority of historians) have never forgiven him for this, and have magnified every error of his administration as a result.

Starbuck
11-19-2010, 03:10 PM
Harding gets a bad rap from historians. He took office during the depression of 1920, which was caused by Wilson's "Wartime Socialism" policies. He immediately cut government spending and tax rates, resulting in the economic boom of the "Roaring 20s". Historians on the left (i.e., the vast majority of historians) have never forgiven him for this, and have magnified every error of his administration as a result.
Not gonna beat it to death, but he was only President for, what, 2 years? And I don't think you could make the Teapot Dome scandal worse than it was. People in his administration stealing money and leaving the country with it. His mistress....maybe the left has spun this all outa proportion, but on the face of it it all seems pretty bad.
At least he was smart enough to make Coolidge his VEEP.

Odysseus
11-19-2010, 06:49 PM
Not gonna beat it to death, but he was only President for, what, 2 years? And I don't think you could make the Teapot Dome scandal worse than it was. People in his administration stealing money and leaving the country with it. His mistress....maybe the left has spun this all outa proportion, but on the face of it it all seems pretty bad.
At least he was smart enough to make Coolidge his VEEP.

I didn't say that he was among the best, just that he gets a bad rap for his accomplishments as well as his scandals. Had he been a progressive, the left would have been far kinder about the scandals (note how Clinton, whose second term was spent entirely in opposing impeachment, gets a pass from them).

AmPat
11-19-2010, 11:27 PM
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Eisenhower
Clinton
Pol Pot
Mao
Lenin
Khrushchev
Trotsky
Mussolini
Hitler
Castro
Che
Chavez


Oh, you meant American?

Adam Wood
11-20-2010, 01:47 AM
Regan - In my lifetime, I don't remember anyone else who personally inspired me so much from the Oval Office. TR - Seemingly the last true conservationist to actually hold high office, and I think that he struck the best balance between capitalism with reckless abandon and regulating industries into the ground. JFK - Before my time, but despite all of his flaws (and there were plenty), he was the Reagan of his time in terms of inspiring a country to share common goals and work together. Taft - Just because he threw some great parties and because holds the unique distinction of having been so fucking fat that they actually had to construct a special bathtub for him since he kept getting stuck in the "regular" White House residence bathtub. Jefferson - I just find Jefferson to have been a fascinating person all the way around. Washington - He went in flying blind, a trailblazer, and that took some balls; all things considered, I think he did it pretty well.