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CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-11-2010, 02:03 PM
I've noticed that even in a few years, the weight of the Presidency can have a terrible impact on the appearance, and even the health of presidents.
I know he's not popular around here, but here's FDR around 1933
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/sbingham123/Politics/FDR.jpg

And in 1944:
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/395/96207144.jpg

Or, George W. Bush, around 2001 on the left, and around 2008 on the right:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qLEn9i-Hb7Q/SBT6-QyLKHI/AAAAAAAABFg/mexTmDdmGRM/s400/George+BushThen+And+Now+copy.jpg

Rockntractor
10-11-2010, 02:06 PM
The years make us older CITM.

Wei Wu Wei
10-11-2010, 02:08 PM
Part of it is years. When you're older, you age faster.

Still, there's no doubt that being President must be the most stressful job on the planet. Obama sure sprouted more than a few grey hairs and he's not even halfway through his first term.

Articulate_Ape
10-11-2010, 02:10 PM
Reagan in 1980

http://www.bet.com/Assets/BET/Published/image/jpeg/6d1d4177-8faa-458a-e897-b9216f3f6c5b-news_fb_RonaldReagan.jpg


Reagan in 1988

http://www.ufodc.com/ronald_reagan.jpg

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-11-2010, 02:11 PM
The years make us older CITM.

Yeah true, but I don't think I've seen anyone, at least in my normal non-celeb life age as rapidly or as dramatically as FDR did, or to a lesser extent that Bush did. Most of my family looks largely the same as they did 20 years ago except for gray hair and some weight gain and loss.
In fact, one of my family members is LITERALLY unchanged in appearance from 20 years ago to now. If you compared a pic of him in 1990 with a pic of him today, you'd see no difference. He's 40 now.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-11-2010, 02:18 PM
The years make us older CITM.


Reagan in 1980

http://www.bet.com/Assets/BET/Published/image/jpeg/6d1d4177-8faa-458a-e897-b9216f3f6c5b-news_fb_RonaldReagan.jpg


Reagan in 1988

http://www.ufodc.com/ronald_reagan.jpg

In the first one, he looks energetic, ready to fight and take on any job, almost youthful despite his age.
And in the second, there's a tiredness, a weariness to his eyes; He looked OLD, whereas in 1981, he looked youthful despite his years. I'd imagine he was happy to go home once 1989 rolled around.

Articulate_Ape
10-11-2010, 02:19 PM
Yeah true, but I don't think I've seen anyone, at least in my normal non-celeb life age as rapidly or as dramatically as FDR did, or to a lesser extent that Bush did. Most of my family looks largely the same as they did 20 years ago except for gray hair and some weight gain and loss.
In fact, one of my family members is LITERALLY unchanged in appearance from 20 years ago to now. If you compared a pic of him in 1990 with a pic of him today, you'd see no difference. He's 40 now.


Bill Clinton in 1990

http://www.topnews.in/usa/files/Democrat-Bill-Clinton.jpg


Bill Clinton in 1998

http://images.politico.com/global/090106_clinton_thisday_glas.jpg

Rockntractor
10-11-2010, 02:23 PM
They all look eight years older. I see what you mean!

Articulate_Ape
10-11-2010, 02:25 PM
They all look eight years older. I see what you mean!

Not Reagan. He looks like he got younger.

Rockntractor
10-11-2010, 02:34 PM
Wei Wei when he joined CU.
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/crying-baby.jpg
Wei Wei now.
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/fat-guy-in-a-diaper-1.jpg

Rockntractor
10-11-2010, 02:35 PM
Not Reagan. He looks like he got younger.
You are right on that one.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-11-2010, 02:44 PM
They all look eight years older. I see what you mean!

http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2010/01/19/img-mg---aging-presidents---reagan_141234513716.jpg
1981, 1985, 1989


Clinton: 1993, 1997, 2001:
http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2010/01/19/img-mg---aging-presidents---clinton_140801865395.jpg

Lyndon Johnson: 1963, 1969:
http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2010/01/19/img-mg---aging-presidents---johnson_140950975339.jpg

Lincoln, 1861, 1865:
http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2010/01/19/img-mg---aging-presidents---lincoln_141124805523.jpg

Articulate_Ape
10-11-2010, 02:51 PM
I would submit that the Presidency took a greater toll on Lincoln than those photos reveal.

hampshirebrit
10-11-2010, 03:02 PM
Interesting thread.

I remember staying with some friends in Colorado a few years ago and commenting on how much older Bill Clinton was looking. I was told, in no uncertain terms, that being the president is very stressful and will have an accelerated effect on ageing.

It seems reasonable. Stress has a significant effect on the ageing process.

Rebel Yell
10-11-2010, 03:23 PM
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/hollistera22/obama-and-michelle.jpg
The Obamas in 2008





























http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt67/Logic1914/fredandesther.jpg
The Obamas in 2012

Articulate_Ape
10-11-2010, 03:29 PM
Ha! :D

Constitutionally Speaking
10-11-2010, 06:24 PM
They all look eight years older. I see what you mean!


I've always thought that they aged faster than they should have based just on age.

JB
10-11-2010, 06:31 PM
The Obamas in 2008

The Obamas in 2012hahaha.

kick and +1.

NJCardFan
10-11-2010, 06:44 PM
This is in just 4 years as president:

Jimmy Carter 1976 and then in 1981
http://img.ezinemark.com/imagemanager2/files/30002494/2010/08/2010-08-09-16-08-07-2-by-the-end-of-his-term-jimmy-carters-hair-was.jpeg

Articulate_Ape
10-11-2010, 09:19 PM
This is in just 4 years as president:

Jimmy Carter 1976 and then in 1981
http://img.ezinemark.com/imagemanager2/files/30002494/2010/08/2010-08-09-16-08-07-2-by-the-end-of-his-term-jimmy-carters-hair-was.jpeg

Unmitigated failure can do that to a guy.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-11-2010, 09:29 PM
Unmitigated failure can do that to a guy.

Eh, he may have been a failure, but it wasn't INTENTIONAL failure. What I mean is, he may have done a shitty job, but he loved America unlike some if you get my drift. So, I don't think we should condemn him forever for it. He failed and the people gave their judgement on him in November 1980.

Articulate_Ape
10-11-2010, 09:31 PM
Eh, he may have been a failure, but it wasn't INTENTIONAL failure. What I mean is, he may have done a shitty job, but he loved America unlike some if you get my drift. So, I don't think we should condemn him forever for it. He failed and the people gave their judgement on him in November 1980.

How old are you?

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-11-2010, 09:44 PM
How old are you?

19, why?
I don't think my age has to do with the fact that I don't think we should condemn a guy forever. I'm just saying, his legacy has already been written, and judgement was passed on his presidency when he ran for re-election. He may have been a horrible president, but I don't think he hated his country. I don't see why it's bad to think that. A guy can do a bad job, but it doesn't make him a bad man.

Articulate_Ape
10-12-2010, 12:41 AM
19, why?
I don't think my age has to do with the fact that I don't think we should condemn a guy forever. I'm just saying, his legacy has already been written, and judgement was passed on his presidency when he ran for re-election. He may have been a horrible president, but I don't think he hated his country. I don't see why it's bad to think that. A guy can do a bad job, but it doesn't make him a bad man.


Look kiddo, you and I can debate the merits of past presidents that neither of us lived through, like Woodrow Wilson who should have died at birth; or FDR, or Truman, or any president neither of us lived under. However, I was your age when Carter was our President. He sucked CITM. It could be argued that the Islamic wacko movement was spawned under his watch. What can't be argued was double-digit inflation, double-digit interest rates, and double-digit unemployment rates.

Obama has a hard act to follow, but he is making good time.

You had to be there, kiddo. Now you almost are.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-12-2010, 12:55 AM
Look kiddo, you and I can debate the merits of past presidents that neither of us lived through, like Woodrow Wilson who should have died at birth; or FDR, or Truman, or any president neither of us lived under. However, I was your age when Carter was our President. He sucked CITM. It could be argued that the Islamic wacko movement was spawned under his watch. What can't be argued was double-digit inflation, double-digit interest rates, and double-digit unemployment rates.

Obama has a hard act to follow, but he is making good time.

You had to be there, kiddo. Now you almost are.

Fair enough. You lived through it, I didn't, and first hand stories can be the truest sources.
I thank you from refraining to pass judgement, at least here, on FDR and Truman. Bash Wilson all you like, though, I dislike him as well.

lacarnut
10-12-2010, 01:05 AM
Look kiddo, you and I can debate the merits of past presidents that neither of us lived through, like Woodrow Wilson who should have died at birth; or FDR, or Truman, or any president neither of us lived under. However, I was your age when Carter was our President. He sucked CITM. It could be argued that the Islamic wacko movement was spawned under his watch. What can't be argued was double-digit inflation, double-digit interest rates, and double-digit unemployment rates.

Obama has a hard act to follow, but he is making good time.

You had to be there, kiddo. Now you almost are.

Reading about it and living it are so far removed it is not even funny. Carter was a weak, inept, demoralization President. If you have not experienced 17% home mortgage rates, you have not lived. I bought my first house under the GI bill at 6% interest in the late 70's. Pushing your car down the street to conserve the few drops you had in your gas tank in a gas line a block long just hoping the station does not run out is also an eye opener. The overwhelming number of people felt shitty about their lives, the economy, the Iran hostage situation. Up to now Carter was the worst but Obama is closing in on those malaise years.

Articulate_Ape
10-12-2010, 01:14 AM
Reading about it and living it are so far removed it is not even funny. Carter was a weak, inept, demoralization President. If you have not experienced 17% home mortgage rates, you have not lived. I bought my first house under the GI bill at 6% interest in the late 70's. Pushing your car down the street to conserve the few drops you had in your gas tank in a gas line a block long just hoping the station does not run out is also an eye opener. The overwhelming number of people felt shitty about their lives, the economy, the Iran hostage situation. Up to now Carter was the worst but Obama is closing in on those malaise years.

Yup.

noonwitch
10-12-2010, 08:34 AM
This is in just 4 years as president:

Jimmy Carter 1976 and then in 1981
http://img.ezinemark.com/imagemanager2/files/30002494/2010/08/2010-08-09-16-08-07-2-by-the-end-of-his-term-jimmy-carters-hair-was.jpeg


I always thought that Carter really aged the most of any modern president. I think he was someone who totally underestimated the burden of the job before he took it on, in a lot of ways.

Ree
10-12-2010, 02:04 PM
Some of the aging has to do with how old they are to begin with...
The 8 years from 32 to 40 didn't show much but the 8 from 42 to 50 really shows on me...

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-12-2010, 02:09 PM
Some of the aging has to do with how old they are to begin with...
The 8 years from 32 to 40 didn't show much but the 8 from 42 to 50 really shows on me...

It seems most people don't change much from their 30s to 40s, but change from their 40s to their 50s, reaching what they'll finally look like by their mid 50s.

Ree
10-12-2010, 02:10 PM
It seems most people don't change much from their 30s to 40s, but change from their 40s to their 50s, reaching what they'll finally look like by their mid 50s.
You're how old?

Rockntractor
10-12-2010, 02:18 PM
I haven't gotten older for several years!:confused:

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-12-2010, 02:19 PM
Some of the aging has to do with how old they are to begin with...
The 8 years from 32 to 40 didn't show much but the 8 from 42 to 50 really shows on me...


You're how old?

I am 19, but I have family members who are in their 40s, 50s and 60s, and I've seen in photos how they've changed over time, and I noticed that with most of them, they seemed to change little from age 30 to around 45, but from 45 to their mid 50s their faces changed.

Rockntractor
10-12-2010, 02:21 PM
I am 19, but I have family members who are in their 40s, 50s and 60s, and I've seen in photos how they've changed over time, and I noticed that with most of them, they seemed to change little from age 30 to around 45, but from 45 to their mid 50s their faces changed.

Their faces become their necks.:eek:

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-12-2010, 02:22 PM
Their faces become their necks.:eek:

Yeah some of my male family members are quite jowl-y.
One of my family members, however, is 40, turning 41. If you had a picture of him today put side by side wth a picture of him taken in 2000, and another taken in 1990, you would not see ANY difference between the three photos.

Rockntractor
10-12-2010, 02:25 PM
Yeah some of my male family members are quite jowl-y.
One of my family members, however, is 40, turning 41. If you had a picture of him today put side by side wth a picture of him taken in 2000, and another taken in 1990, you would not see ANY difference between the three photos.

The part I'm dreading is when your chest and shoulders drop, I'm a big guy, it won't be pretty.

Jfor
10-12-2010, 09:19 PM
It's called not taking caring of yourself. Not staying in shape, not eating right, etc. Look at how many generals and admirals who are/were in CSM's, MCPO's, and whatever the hell their called Air Force look when those guys retire in their 60's.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-12-2010, 12:51 AM
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4708/lyndonbjohnson1972.jpg

LBJ, August '72.

Bill Clinton, 1970s:
http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/bill-hillary-clinton-hippie.jpg

Rockntractor
12-12-2010, 01:04 AM
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4708/lyndonbjohnson1972.jpg

LBJ, August '72.

Bill Clinton, 1970s:
http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/bill-hillary-clinton-hippie.jpg

Dang Hillary is homely, a double bagger with the lights out, this must be when he started using woman for cigar humidors!:eek:

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-12-2010, 01:08 AM
Dang Hillary is homely, a double bagger with the lights out, this must be when he started using woman for cigar humidors!:eek:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_apuuyw-wGsE/Rt81xIiWK1I/AAAAAAAAAAk/8yX0iaeV_kY/s320/clinton_hill.jpg

Rockntractor
12-12-2010, 01:18 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_apuuyw-wGsE/Rt81xIiWK1I/AAAAAAAAAAk/8yX0iaeV_kY/s320/clinton_hill.jpg

That's a little better but a photographer can do wonders with a properly posed shot and the right lighting, I used to do wedding photography so I know. The first picture more honestly portrayed what she really looked like and I wouldn't hit that if I was on a deserted island!

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-12-2010, 01:29 AM
Dang Hillary is homely, a double bagger with the lights out, this must be when he started using woman for cigar humidors!:eek:


That's a little better but a photographer can do wonders with a properly posed shot and the right lighting, I used to do wedding photography so I know. The first picture more honestly portrayed what she really looked like and I wouldn't hit that if I was on a deserted island!

Neither would I, but she is a brilliant woman, and if we're talking about an actual relationship--and not just a one night fuck--I'd take an average but bright woman over a hot but dumb as bricks girl.

Kay
12-12-2010, 08:13 AM
Eh, he may have been a failure, but it wasn't INTENTIONAL failure. What I mean is, he may have done a shitty job, but he loved America unlike some if you get my drift. So, I don't think we should condemn him forever for it. He failed and the people gave their judgement on him in November 1980.

What the rest said - you had to have lived through the Carter years to know.

But on top of that, Carter didn't just leave quietly and disappear. CITM, have
you not been paying attention to what Carters been up to in current events.
You don't think we should condemn him forever? Well I condemn him now
even more. He's a terrorist loving idiot that very openly sides against the US
and for the likes of Hezbola and other terror organizations. He is POS in chief.

NJCardFan
12-12-2010, 10:55 AM
Reading about it and living it are so far removed it is not even funny. Carter was a weak, inept, demoralization President. If you have not experienced 17% home mortgage rates, you have not lived. I bought my first house under the GI bill at 6% interest in the late 70's. Pushing your car down the street to conserve the few drops you had in your gas tank in a gas line a block long just hoping the station does not run out is also an eye opener. The overwhelming number of people felt shitty about their lives, the economy, the Iran hostage situation. Up to now Carter was the worst but Obama is closing in on those malaise years.

I'm sure most of us saw the movie Miracle about the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team. If anyone goes to IMDB and looks this movie up and reads the message boards, there is a lot of young idiot Euros who trash it and the event as being no big deal to them and all that crap but the impact of that event was brought on by the malaise of the Carter years. In Carter's 3 years as president(at that point) we, as a country, were as demoralized as a country could get. I was 14(turned 15 in June of 1980) and a sophomore in high school in 1980 so I still have a vivid recollection of the Carter years. When you have double digit inflation and interest rates, that's bad enough but when your country is made to look weak in front of the entire world, that was the cherry on the sundae. The Soviet Union invades Afghanistan and the whole Iranian mess took it's toll on Carter and the country. Then the botched rescue attempt really exacerbated an already bad situation. This is why a bunch of college kids beating a mighty team like the Soviet National team was such a big deal. It took a hockey game to make Americans feel better about themselves. How sad is that? That is why to this day, when they play the "do you believe in miracles" call from Al Michaels, it still puts a lump in my throat because this country really needed that at that time. When I met Mike Eruzione last year, all I told him was thanks for winning that game(cool guy by the way).

As for comparing Obama to Carter, we aren't there yet but we're pretty frigging close.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-12-2010, 11:33 AM
What the rest said - you had to have lived through the Carter years to know.

But on top of that, Carter didn't just leave quietly and disappear. CITM, have
you not been paying attention to what Carters been up to in current events.
You don't think we should condemn him forever? Well I condemn him now
even more. He's a terrorist loving idiot that very openly sides against the US
and for the likes of Hezbola and other terror organizations. He is POS in chief.

I know he's been very vocal since he left office; and I remember him being very critical of Bush, which is kind of a laugh considering his own presidency, and he's pretty anti-Israel. I was talking mainly about his Presidency years, when he seemed to be more moderate both in practice and in rhetoric--He seems to have gone very far left with age. I'm no Carter fan, but I don't hate the man either. Frankly, when he says his crazy things, it doesn't anger me, it just comes off pathetic since he's totally irrelevant now and was considered so even by his own party as early as 1980 to the point that they were willing to try and run that POS Ted Kennedy against him.

When former Presidents say things, it sometimes holds weight depending on the President. Nixon was able to rebrand himself as a respected statesmen as he got older, and acted as an unofficial foreign policy advisor to both the Reagan and Clinton White Houses especially on the issue of Russia; He even made many suggestions which helped form Reagan's early cabinet. Bush I I'm sure held a lot of influence and probably was a great source of advise to his son; Even Clinton has remained rather relevant since he left office. Ike and Truman were called upon by Presidents of both parties for their advice and support well after they left office. However, I think many on BOTH sides know Carter is a joke.

Phillygirl
12-12-2010, 12:10 PM
I'm sure most of us saw the movie Miracle about the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team. If anyone goes to IMDB and looks this movie up and reads the message boards, there is a lot of young idiot Euros who trash it and the event as being no big deal to them and all that crap but the impact of that event was brought on by the malaise of the Carter years. In Carter's 3 years as president(at that point) we, as a country, were as demoralized as a country could get. I was 14(turned 15 in June of 1980) and a sophomore in high school in 1980 so I still have a vivid recollection of the Carter years. When you have double digit inflation and interest rates, that's bad enough but when your country is made to look weak in front of the entire world, that was the cherry on the sundae. The Soviet Union invades Afghanistan and the whole Iranian mess took it's toll on Carter and the country. Then the botched rescue attempt really exacerbated an already bad situation. This is why a bunch of college kids beating a mighty team like the Soviet National team was such a big deal. It took a hockey game to make Americans feel better about themselves. How sad is that? That is why to this day, when they play the "do you believe in miracles" call from Al Michaels, it still puts a lump in my throat because this country really needed that at that time. When I met Mike Eruzione last year, all I told him was thanks for winning that game(cool guy by the way).

As for comparing Obama to Carter, we aren't there yet but we're pretty frigging close.

You and I are close to the same age. That was a horrible time. The parents were unbelievably depressed about the state of the country. The every other day allotment of gasoline made life's plans on a daily basis constricted.

I was never a hockey fan, but that game was the highlight of the year. I remember watching it in the family room. My parents were in the kitchen for something, and I started jumping up and down and screaming about the victory. I haven't ever been that excited about a game that I wasn't involved in playing myself before or since then.

NJCardFan
12-12-2010, 02:07 PM
You and I are close to the same age. That was a horrible time. The parents were unbelievably depressed about the state of the country. The every other day allotment of gasoline made life's plans on a daily basis constricted.

I was never a hockey fan, but that game was the highlight of the year. I remember watching it in the family room. My parents were in the kitchen for something, and I started jumping up and down and screaming about the victory. I haven't ever been that excited about a game that I wasn't involved in playing myself before or since then.

The funny thing about that game was that it was played in the afternoon. Thankfully, the advent of the internet was years away so they were able to sit on the result until it was played on TV later that night.

Phillygirl
12-12-2010, 06:58 PM
The funny thing about that game was that it was played in the afternoon. Thankfully, the advent of the internet was years away so they were able to sit on the result until it was played on TV later that night.

That is pretty amazing.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-13-2010, 03:26 PM
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk199/chatterton_2008/hippiehaired21.jpg
LBJ and McGovern, 1972.

Madisonian
12-13-2010, 07:08 PM
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/hollistera22/obama-and-michelle.jpg
The Obamas in 2008





























http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt67/Logic1914/fredandesther.jpg
The Obamas in 2012

I was waiting for someone to trot that one out!

Madisonian
12-13-2010, 07:18 PM
Reading about it and living it are so far removed it is not even funny. Carter was a weak, inept, demoralization President. If you have not experienced 17% home mortgage rates, you have not lived. I bought my first house under the GI bill at 6% interest in the late 70's. Pushing your car down the street to conserve the few drops you had in your gas tank in a gas line a block long just hoping the station does not run out is also an eye opener. The overwhelming number of people felt shitty about their lives, the economy, the Iran hostage situation. Up to now Carter was the worst but Obama is closing in on those malaise years.

All true, but if you had the money back in the day, those 30 year Treasuries in 79 and 80 were paying 10-12%. Good investment and the suckers down the road had to worry about paying the notes.

HEY!!!! 1980 + 30 = 2010... Looks like those suckers are US!!!