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Gingersnap
10-13-2010, 12:46 PM
Mexican investigator in Falcon Lake case beheaded, officials say

By the CNN Wire Staff
October 13, 2010 11:04 a.m. EDT

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/10/12/pkg.falcon.lake.hln

(CNN) -- The lead Mexican investigator in the Falcon Lake case, Rolando Armando Flores Villegas, has been killed, his severed head delivered Tuesday in a suitcase to the Mexican military, officials told CNN.

"His head was delivered to the army garrison this morning in a suitcase after he failed to report back home last night," Zapata County, Texas, Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez Jr. said.

A spokesman for the attorney general of Tamaulipas state in Mexico, Ruben Dario-Rios, confirmed the killing Tuesday afternoon in a telephone interview.

The report came a day after authorities in the Tamaulipas state attorney general's office gave conflicting information on whether authorities were pursuing a pair of suspects in the case of David Michael Hartley's disappearance.

Hartley's wife, Tiffany, told authorities that her husband was fatally shot September 30 during a sightseeing trip the two were taking on Falcon Lake, which straddles the border.

While Luis Homero Uvalle, a spokesman for the office, told CNN the suspects are brothers who are "well known to this area" -- identifying them only as "El 27" and "El 31" -- Dario-Rios, the chief spokesman for the attorney general said, "We have nothing official about suspects in the disappearance of David Hartley. I do not know where that is coming from."

Dario-Rios said Monday that Flores had not indicated to him that any suspects had been identified.

Eva Rodriguez, Flores' secretary, said the news of his death came as a surprise. "We saw [Rolando] last night," she said. "After he came back [from the search for Hartley] we were all together here in the office. That was the last time any of us saw him."

She said she was not aware that Flores -- whom she described as "very dedicated to his job" -- had received any threats from narcotraffickers.

"What can you do?" she asked. "We're still going to be here. We still have to work."

And, despite the fact that "we're all scared right now," their work will go on, she vowed. "The investigation and search will still continue," she said.

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/12/texas.falcon.lake.head/index.html)

Calypso Jones
10-13-2010, 12:51 PM
maybe someone is doing one of those copycat murders.

Rockntractor
10-13-2010, 01:24 PM
So in the investigation we were left behind and they got ahead?:confused:

FlaGator
10-13-2010, 04:17 PM
I think we need to nuke Northeastern Mexico from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

Odysseus
10-13-2010, 04:53 PM
I think we need to nuke Northeastern Mexico from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

No, just a few fast attack craft on the lake with very loose Rules of Engagement.

Oh, and we need to go back to hanging pirates upon capture.

SaintLouieWoman
10-14-2010, 07:51 AM
No, just a few fast attack craft on the lake with very loose Rules of Engagement.

Oh, and we need to go back to hanging pirates upon capture.
I guess this sort of puts an end to their attempt to try to make it look like the wife made up the story. :rolleyes:

Wei Wu Wei
10-14-2010, 08:15 AM
I think we need to nuke Northeastern Mexico from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

A sensible drug reform would not only bring in billions in tax revenue, it would save billions in costs of prosecuting non-violent offenders, and cut off the (by far) number one funding source of the Cartels.

We can take some of that money and use it to secure the border


Unfortunately our nation is too busy talking about death panels and witches to look at sensible ideas

FlaGator
10-14-2010, 08:49 AM
A sensible drug reform would not only bring in billions in tax revenue, it would save billions in costs of prosecuting non-violent offenders, and cut off the (by far) number one funding source of the Cartels.

We can take some of that money and use it to secure the border


Unfortunately our nation is too busy talking about death panels and witches to look at sensible ideas

Sensible drug reform is a kin to a cheerful surrender to the enemy. Its the 'if you can't beat them join them' mentality run amok.

Odysseus
10-14-2010, 09:25 AM
We can take some of that money and use it to secure the border
Yeah, like you want to secure the border. Pull the other one. :rolleyes:


Unfortunately our nation is too busy talking about death panels and witches to look at sensible ideas
Obamacare is about rationing, and there are panels which will oversee that. Don't like the term "death panel"? What would you call a board that has the power to pull your health care, life support or drugs? And it's the left that raised the witchcraft issue. If you don't want to talk about it, that's fine. I'm sure that the voters of Delaware would much rather discuss Obama's agenda and how the Democratic candidate for senate will vote on cap and trade, Don't Ask Don't Tell, tax cuts and the repeal of Obamacare. Let the conversation begin...

Sensible drug reform is a kin to a cheerful surrender to the enemy. Its the 'if you can't beat them join them' mentality run amok.

There are some reforms that would actually make sense (although I doubt that they are the ones that Wei wants). One example would be decriminalization of prescription marijuana, which does have some legitimate medical uses. It doesn't make sense to me that a doctor can prescribe morphine for pain, but not THC for chemotherapy-related nausea relief and glaucoma relief. It would still be illegal to light up a joint if you didn't have a prescription, and we could focus on things like DUI, which would carry more severe penalties.

Of course, Wei will continue to get stoned and post here, but what can you do?

Zathras
10-14-2010, 09:42 AM
Of course, Wei will continue to get stoned and post here, but what can you do?

Point and laugh at his stupidity like I always do.

ironhorsedriver
10-14-2010, 10:14 AM
Full scale military action against the cartels and gangs is the only way to fix this. Create a buffer zone, fully protected. Tell the UN to go F**k itself.

Odysseus
10-14-2010, 10:53 AM
Point and laugh at his stupidity like I always do.
Never underestimate the value of pointing and laughing, especially as birth control. :D

Full scale military action against the cartels and gangs is the only way to fix this. Create a buffer zone, fully protected. Tell the UN to go F**k itself.
In this case, certainly. The lake is a border area. Our side of it can be patrolled by the US Navy without any issue. There is no excuse for this lack of security.

Wei Wu Wei
10-14-2010, 04:48 PM
Sensible drug reform is a kin to a cheerful surrender to the enemy. Its the 'if you can't beat them join them' mentality run amok.

No it's not. The drug smugglers don't win if we legalize drugs, why do you think all of the illegal pot growers are currently fighting prop 19 in california?

Legalizing black market commodities hurts criminals.

Drugs themselves are not the enemy, especially such a benign drug as Marijuana, this isn't the 30's anymore, reefer madness is funny ironic nostalgia and nothing else.

We can keep funding our enemies protecting their underground assets, or we can de-fund our enemies by legalizing it and bringing the market out of their control.

Wei Wu Wei
10-14-2010, 04:52 PM
Obamacare is about rationing, and there are panels which will oversee that. Don't like the term "death panel"? What would you call a board that has the power to pull your health care, life support or drugs?

I call that a ridiculously expensive insurance company who is legally obligated to put profits before my health.



And it's the left that raised the witchcraft issue. If you don't want to talk about it, that's fine. I'm sure that the voters of Delaware would much rather discuss Obama's agenda and how the Democratic candidate for senate will vote on cap and trade, Don't Ask Don't Tell, tax cuts and the repeal of Obamacare. Let the conversation begin...

Yes I'd much rather talk about DADT, Bush tax cuts, health care reform.

The Witch thing was a funny joke for a while but seriously we need to focus on issues.



There are some reforms that would actually make sense (although I doubt that they are the ones that Wei wants). One example would be decriminalization of prescription marijuana, which does have some legitimate medical uses. It doesn't make sense to me that a doctor can prescribe morphine for pain, but not THC for chemotherapy-related nausea relief and glaucoma relief.

I totally agree. In fact doctors are able to use Cocaine in proper medical settings but it's illegal to use Marijuana. It is absurd and outdated.


It would still be illegal to light up a joint if you didn't have a prescription, and we could focus on things like DUI, which would carry more severe penalties.

I'm in favor of total decriminalization and legalization. Let people smoke a joint if they want. Let's focus on things like DUI's, I agree. Let's enforce strict regulations on businesses that attempt to sell to minors and get tax benefits.

Marijuana is FAR less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco, let's not cling so hard onto the propaganda of past decades.

Odysseus
10-14-2010, 05:18 PM
I call that a ridiculously expensive insurance company who is legally obligated to put profits before my health.

No, because an insurance company cannot deny you care. They can deny you coverage (but if you are already covered, they are legally required to meet their contractual obgligations), but in a competitive market, someone else may not, or you can pay out of pocket. With a government board, however, they can not only deny you care, but punish any provider who defies them and keeps you alive. And, government boards aren't bound by contracts. They can unilaterally change the rules whenever they want. Wave bye bye to Grandma, kids. Obama doesn't think that her heart surgery is a valid allocation of resources.


Yes I'd much rather talk about DADT, Bush tax cuts, health care reform.

The Witch thing was a funny joke for a while but seriously we need to focus on issues.
Works for me. But when those subjects come up, Democrats run like scalded cats. Wonder why that is...?


I totally agree. In fact doctors are able to use Cocaine in proper medical settings but it's illegal to use Marijuana. It is absurd and outdated.
I'm in favor of total decriminalization and legalization. Let people smoke a joint if they want. Let's focus on things like DUI's, I agree. Let's enforce strict regulations on businesses that attempt to sell to minors and get tax benefits.

Marijuana is FAR less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco, let's not cling so hard onto the propaganda of past decades.
Since you agree with my premise, I must re-examine it and determine where I was wrong. :D

Kay
10-14-2010, 10:35 PM
The lake is a border area. Our side of it can be patrolled by the US Navy without any issue. There is no excuse for this lack of security.

Apparently the Mexican Navy can patrol our side without any issue too. Let us not forget about the 2 incidents (that we know of) where Mexican Navy helicopters were flying low over neighborhoods in Texas! Without permission. :mad:

Odysseus
10-15-2010, 10:38 AM
Apparently the Mexican Navy can patrol our side without any issue too. Let us not forget about the 2 incidents (that we know of) where Mexican Navy helicopters were flying low over neighborhoods in Texas! Without permission. :mad:

And to think that FT Bliss is where they train Air Defense Artillery. Talk about a missed training opportunity. >sigh<