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LogansPapa
08-20-2008, 12:36 PM
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Undocumented immigrant in coma set to be returned to Mexico

By Judith Graham and Deanese Williams-Harris |Chicago Tribune reporter

August 20, 2008

A 30-year-old Mexican man in a coma at the University of Illinois Medical Center at Chicago has ignited a dispute over a little-known practice at hospitals—sending medically needy undocumented immigrants back to their countries of origin.

The disagreement revolves around Francisco Pantaleon, who arrived in the U.S. 11 years ago and suffered a severe brain hemorrhage in mid-July, according to his sister Socorro. A father of two, Pantaleon worked at a carwash and has no health insurance, she said.

The medical center believes there is "little hope for recovery," according to a statement released Tuesday, and officials arranged for Pantaleon to be transferred to a hospital in Acapulco at UIC's expense. An official said his immediate family consented to the move.

But Pantaleon's sister and cousin are protesting that arrangement and have retained lawyers in hopes of preventing it. "This is an injustice," said his sister, who worries that Pantaleon won't survive the trip or find adequate care in Mexico.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/health/chi-patient-deportaug20,0,1937823.story

Rebel Yell
08-20-2008, 12:39 PM
And what is the problem, exactly?:confused:

linda22003
08-20-2008, 12:49 PM
If he doesn't know where he is, it doesn't matter where he is.

lacarnut
08-20-2008, 12:58 PM
If the sister and the cousin want to pay for medical coverage fine. If not, why should Americans have to absorb his hospital costs. If other members of the family are illegals, send them back to Mexico too.

LogansPapa
08-20-2008, 01:06 PM
If the sister and the cousin want to pay for medical coverage fine. If not, why should Americans have to absorb his hospital costs. If other members of the family are illegals, send them back to Mexico too.

Yep. (+1) :cool:

noonwitch
08-20-2008, 01:07 PM
Isn't this the kind of situation in which hospitals have charitable funds to cover? If not, then send him to a catholic hospital, because they do have charitable funds to cover something like this.


Every hospital has a charitable fund to help treat patients who aren't eligible for medicaid and have no private insurance. They hate to use those funds, and try to get medicaid/medicare to pay for as much as possible.

The INS shouldn't deport him, though, because he is in a coma.

biccat
08-20-2008, 02:15 PM
The INS shouldn't deport him, though, because he is in a coma.

Why not? His immediate family are OK with the move, why should more distant relatives have any more say than the rest of his family?

The United States should not be in the business of providing ongoing medical coverage to foreign nationals on our dime.

OwlMBA
08-20-2008, 03:27 PM
I have a much better, and less expensive solution

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3885599/2/istockphoto_3885599_pull_the_plug.jpg

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:30 PM
Wait, you want to kill him because he isn't an American?

OwlMBA
08-20-2008, 03:32 PM
Wait, you want to kill him because he isn't an American?

Technically that is not killing him, it is letting him die naturally.

And secondly, why should I pay to keep a criminal alive unnaturally? He has no insurance. That means I am footing the bill. Tell ya what, the government of Mexico cuts us a check to keep him alive and they can have that bed in perpetuity.

Eyelids
08-20-2008, 03:34 PM
Owl, he's a fucking person...

I know you dont care about compassion, but damnit that's really pathetic.

OwlMBA
08-20-2008, 03:35 PM
Owl, he's a fucking person...

I know you dont care about compassion, but damnit that's really pathetic.

If a driver accidentally strikes and kills a pedestrian, and that pedestrian is an illegal alien in the country illegally, should the driver be prosecuted?

And before you answer, keep this in mind.... technically had the immigrant not broken the law first (by coming and staying in the country illegally) there would not have been anyone on the street.

LibraryLady
08-20-2008, 03:36 PM
Ok, let's just get a VERY long extension cord and send him home. The man's dead.

noonwitch
08-20-2008, 04:37 PM
Why not? His immediate family are OK with the move, why should more distant relatives have any more say than the rest of his family?

The United States should not be in the business of providing ongoing medical coverage to foreign nationals on our dime.


I didn't catch the part that said his family was okay with the move. If they are, so be it.

Goldwater
08-20-2008, 04:45 PM
If a driver accidentally strikes and kills a pedestrian, and that pedestrian is an illegal alien in the country illegally, should the driver be prosecuted?

And before you answer, keep this in mind.... technically had the immigrant not broken the law first (by coming and staying in the country illegally) there would not have been anyone on the street.

The driver should be driving responsibly.