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SarasotaRepub
10-15-2010, 07:35 PM
Christ these people are delusional... (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9324188) :rolleyes:




Stuart G (1000+ posts) Fri Oct-15-10 01:05 PM
Original message Simple Reason Why the Main Stream Media Hates Progressives and Democrats


and always will..

On our list for solutions for political corruption is the idea of public financing of elections.
That one idea, which would solve lots of problems ,but not all, puts us at odds with the large corporations that not only
fund these elections, but profit from them.
Broadcasting giants control much of the main stream media, and gain from these elections in hundreds of millions of ad money.
It is pretty simple, we fund these elections publicly, and limit the time, scope and reach of the elections, then
companies like ABC-Disney..and CBS and others, not only lose influence and power, but income as well.
No wonder the Main Stream Media does not look forward to a progressive agenda.

Not then
Not today
Not in the future.



Yeah you shitheads, the same MSM that has been carrying Lord O's water for years hates the Dems. You people are just dumb as a box of rocks.

Wei Wu Wei
10-15-2010, 08:07 PM
Simple reason is because these corporations are owned and operated by the super-wealthy, who's interests lie in direct conflict with those of working Americans. The media has so much influence on the publically accepted reality, and because the super wealthy owners have an obvious interest in marginalizing true progressive thought while propping up a pro wrestling style spectacle that is entirely image and soundbytes and no substance. This has the dual effect of raking in huge ratings by appealing to the lowest common denominator in entertainment news, while also creating an imaginary struggle between Democrats and Republicans over trivial issues and distorsions. Everyone takes a side and working people never unite because they're too busy bickering with each other and accepting that the corporate television and radio are truth.

Wei Wu Wei
10-15-2010, 08:09 PM
I don't know how much they hate Democrats, because democrats are just in bed with these special interests as Republicans, but they sure as hell hate real Leftist thought or intelligent debate.

SarasotaRepub
10-15-2010, 08:12 PM
Simple reason is because these corporations are owned and operated by the super-wealthy, who's interests lie in direct conflict with those of working Americans. The media has so much influence on the publically accepted reality, and because the super wealthy owners have an obvious interest in marginalizing true progressive thought while propping up a pro wrestling style spectacle that is entirely image and soundbytes and no substance. This has the dual effect of raking in huge ratings by appealing to the lowest common denominator in entertainment news, while also creating an imaginary struggle between Democrats and Republicans over trivial issues and distorsions. Everyone takes a side and working people never unite because they're too busy bickering with each other and accepting that the corporate television and radio are truth.


AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! !

Wei, do you or do you not believe the MSM is controlled by the Right. Yes or No?

Wei Wu Wei
10-15-2010, 08:39 PM
Trick question, the "left-right" political spectrum is bullshit. It's not about left vs right.


The main stream media is controlled by the wealthy owners, operators, and top executives. These are the people in the top 1-5% who have been benefitting enormously over the past few decades as middle class and working class progress has been grinding to a halt.

The MSM is controlled by the elite ruling class that posesses most of the nation's wealth, including these institutions we call "the media".

SarasotaRepub
10-15-2010, 08:52 PM
Trick question, the "left-right" political spectrum is bullshit. It's not about left vs right.


The main stream media is controlled by the wealthy owners, operators, and top executives. These are the people in the top 1-5% who have been benefitting enormously over the past few decades as middle class and working class progress has been grinding to a halt.

The MSM is controlled by the elite ruling class that posesses most of the nation's wealth, including these institutions we call "the media".

And that my friend is a typical Lib answer or lack of one. How many polls and independent studies have been done over the years that clearly show the vast majority of the media is Democrat??? Are you going to deny that too?

So, if the MSM is owned by the VRWC, why do tha majority of their drones admit to being Lefties??? Why did the VRWC allow the MSM to hound W over every little thing he said that could be turned into something making him look stupid?? Why has the VRWC allowed the MSM to carry Obamas' water and ignore anything stupid he or Biden has said over the years? Hmmmm??

There is no "Trick" question here Wei, the MSM is Left and has been for fucking ever. That you (and the vast collection of the wacko Left) can't see this just makes your nutcase crowds claims that they are "superior" so much to laugh at.

And I to a small extent understand why the wacko Left is really getting riled up lately. You all can see the writing on the wall, it's not going to pretty for you and yours in November and you are already lashing out and trying to find someone, anyone to blame. But yourselves.

SaintLouieWoman
10-15-2010, 09:02 PM
Trick question, the "left-right" political spectrum is bullshit. It's not about left vs right.


The main stream media is controlled by the wealthy owners, operators, and top executives. These are the people in the top 1-5% who have been benefitting enormously over the past few decades as middle class and working class progress has been grinding to a halt.

The MSM is controlled by the elite ruling class that posesses most of the nation's wealth, including these institutions we call "the media".

Spoken like a true Marxist. Comrades, we must unite and have the revolution! :rolleyes:

But will admit you're right about the wealthy "owning" the pols (on both sides), treating them like lap dogs. An ex relative was a politician. I was at a political event with one of the political operatives. One of the very rich asked me to take their pic and almost asked me to get a drink for them. I guess the look on my face stopped her.

Many of the pols are bought and paid for, but I truly think that one must make a choice on the basis of one's philosophy of government. I would never vote for someone whom I thought was a Marxist---no matter how charming they might pretend to be.

Wei Wu Wei
10-15-2010, 09:06 PM
Spoken like a true Marxist. Comrades, we must unite and have the revolution! :rolleyes:

But will admit you're right about the wealthy "owning" the pols (on both sides), treating them like lap dogs. An ex relative was a politician. I was at a political event with one of the political operatives. One of the very rich asked me to take their pic and almost asked me to get a drink for them. I guess the look on my face stopped her.

Many of the pols are bought and paid for, but I truly think that one must make a choice on the basis of one's philosophy of government. I would never vote for someone whom I thought was a Marxist---no matter how charming they might pretend to be.

Why? You seem to agree about the problems, why do you automatically reject anything Marxist in nature?

I understand there was a time when it was every American's duty to hate commies, but that was out of existential anxiety thanks to the USSR's nuclear capability and the ongoing cold war.

It's over though, you don't have to fight against the USSR anymore, instead, what do you see as wrong with Marx's analysis of capitalism?

Wei Wu Wei
10-15-2010, 09:16 PM
And that my friend is a typical Lib answer or lack of one. How many polls and independent studies have been done over the years that clearly show the vast majority of the media is Democrat??? Are you going to deny that too?

Because Democrats, like Republicans, are wholly owned and operated by the very wealthy elite class.

Democrats are hardly "leftist". The Horizon of the Democrat party is being pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-welfare. These is not Socialism. This is not Far Leftism. The horizon of Leftists is critique of the Capitalist power structure. This is something that Democrats do not support because they are all sold out lapdogs of the wealthy.

So, Big City news reporters are more likely to be liberal on social issues (what you are calling Progressivism), but there is no real criticism of capitalism anywhere in the mainstream media today.

Please, point to some articles that overtly critique capitalism itself or openly propose Socialism or Marxism as a way out? You won't find any from corporate media sources, and for a reason.



So, if the MSM is owned by the VRWC, why do tha majority of their drones admit to being Lefties??? Why did the VRWC allow the MSM to hound W over every little thing he said that could be turned into something making him look stupid?? Why has the VRWC allowed the MSM to carry Obamas' water and ignore anything stupid he or Biden has said over the years? Hmmmm??

I'm not exactly sure what your acronyms mean but I've already said in a previous post in this thread that it is in the interests of the MSM to play up left-right conflicts. This means reporting on all sorts of stupid meaningless shit while our politicians rob us blind.

Whether they are cheering for D's or R's makes no difference to the power structure in the nation, but it brings in ratings and keeps the country divided along imaginary partisan lines.

You want the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right? Okay plebs fight over this while the puppeteer robs the nation.


There is no "Trick" question here Wei, the MSM is Left and has been for fucking ever. That you (and the vast collection of the wacko Left) can't see this just makes your nutcase crowds claims that they are "superior" so much to laugh at.

And I to a small extent understand why the wacko Left is really getting riled up lately. You all can see the writing on the wall, it's not going to pretty for you and yours in November and you are already lashing out and trying to find someone, anyone to blame. But yourselves.

November? Again you're incorrectly equating Democrats with Left. I, and many people who think like I do, are NOT voting for Democrats this november.

SaintLouieWoman
10-15-2010, 09:21 PM
Why? You seem to agree about the problems, why do you automatically reject anything Marxist in nature?

I understand there was a time when it was every American's duty to hate commies, but that was out of existential anxiety thanks to the USSR's nuclear capability and the ongoing cold war.

It's over though, you don't have to fight against the USSR anymore, instead, what do you see as wrong with Marx's analysis of capitalism?

Communism was an evil system. It destroys initiative and makes slaves of the citizens.
It is against the basic premise of our US constitution.

I used to live near a place called the Ethical Society. There were always old commies there, selling their used books on Marxism at a holiday bazaar. That was a long time ago. I have no desire to go back to that failed society.

It's sad that you're a teacher spreading your indoctrination to the kids. What do you teach? Are you in a public school? I suspect you are one of those union thug teachers.

I used to teach and got out of it when I saw the caliber of many of my fellow teachers. I walked out of it and never looked back----til I saw that some of them in Missouri are collecting 100% of their salaries when they retire. Missouri has one of the "best" retirement programs, best for the teachers, not for the kids. It would be nice if the state that wastes so much money on a retirement program for the teachers would rank highest in the nation academically. That's not the case.

Wei Wu Wei
10-15-2010, 09:29 PM
Communism was an evil system. It destroys initiative and makes slaves of the citizens.
It is against the basic premise of our US constitution.


Evil system? What is evil about it? Marxist theory is about bringing liberation and self-empowerment to people. We can agree about the various problems with the various attempts at a marxist society throughout history, but do you disagree with Marx's critical analysis of Capitalism?

nightflight
10-15-2010, 10:04 PM
It's over though, you don't have to fight against the USSR anymore, instead, what do you see as wrong with Marx's analysis of capitalism?

If there was any doubt before.........

SaintLouieWoman
10-15-2010, 10:20 PM
If there was any doubt before.........
Amen.

warpig
10-15-2010, 10:21 PM
Evil system? What is evil about it? Marxist theory is about bringing liberation and self-empowerment to people. We can agree about the various problems with the various attempts at a marxist society throughout history, but do you disagree with Marx's critical analysis of Capitalism?

His "answer" to capitalism kills growth, incentive and reduces the average to the lowest common denominator. Beside he was an elitist who kept his wife and family in poverty, drove his kids to suicide, was never at home, and allowed someone else to "work" (Engels) and give him money to support his elitist posture. If he couldn't get his way in the communist organization he always took his toys and went home.
He was a joke.

Odysseus
10-15-2010, 10:22 PM
I don't know how much they hate Democrats, because democrats are just in bed with these special interests as Republicans, but they sure as hell hate real Leftist thought or intelligent debate.
You say that as if there is any connection between real leftist thought and intelligent debate. :confused:

Wei Wu Wei
10-15-2010, 10:30 PM
His "answer" to capitalism kills growth, incentive and reduces the average to the lowest common denominator.

He provided a prediction about the future course of history, it was individual revolutionaries around the world that articulated various answers.

Still though, my question was about Marx's analysis of Capitalism presented in Das Kapital

NJCardFan
10-15-2010, 11:07 PM
Wee Wee does have a point. Obama and his cast of idiots are more fascist than communist.

Rockntractor
10-15-2010, 11:14 PM
Wee Wee does have a point. Obama and his cast of idiots are more fascist than communist.

Tyranny is tyranny, bottom line is loss of freedom.

warpig
10-15-2010, 11:51 PM
He provided a prediction about the future course of history, it was individual revolutionaries around the world that articulated various answers.

Still though, my question was about Marx's analysis of Capitalism presented in Das Kapital

Marx's view of capitalism is colored by his own personal desire to maintain his elite status in the communist movement without having to do earn a living himself.

m00
10-16-2010, 01:22 AM
Evil system? What is evil about it? Marxist theory is about bringing liberation and self-empowerment to people.

I answered this when you asked on another thread, you know.

Odysseus
10-16-2010, 02:53 PM
Evil system? What is evil about it? Marxist theory is about bringing liberation and self-empowerment to people.

Quite a lot of liberation and self-empowerment in those mass graves.:rolleyes:

FlaGator
10-16-2010, 02:59 PM
Why? You seem to agree about the problems, why do you automatically reject anything Marxist in nature?

I understand there was a time when it was every American's duty to hate commies, but that was out of existential anxiety thanks to the USSR's nuclear capability and the ongoing cold war.

It's over though, you don't have to fight against the USSR anymore, instead, what do you see as wrong with Marx's analysis of capitalism?

Because Marxism runs contrary to human nature.

swirling_vortex
10-16-2010, 06:04 PM
It's over though, you don't have to fight against the USSR anymore, instead, what do you see as wrong with Marx's analysis of capitalism?
Because his analysis of capitalism was incorrect. First, Marx believed that the accumulation of capital forces big businesses to destroy smaller business. Then, those big businesses collude with each other until the system crashes. Marx thought that as this continues, those boom-bust cycles will get bigger until it implodes on itself. In effect, he had it backwards, it is the crappy banking system that the government often manipulates that creates the booms and busts.

The problem is that history did not vindicate that idea. An economy is not a zero-sum game. The success or failure of one relies on the accumulation of wealth more so than the accumulation of simply paper dollars. If a company does manage to gain a significant market share, it must still remain competitive as other smaller ventures will continue to compete with it. Capitalism isn't unstable, the economy becomes unstable when the government mismanages its regulatory, taxation, or monetary policy.

In addition, the Labor Theory of Value is disproven because it is not the accurate in the assessment of a product. The value of something is easily explained in its supply and demand. Plus, if companies were not allowed to take a profit (since Marx saw that as exploitation), then those companies would not be around anymore.

Democrats are hardly "leftist". The Horizon of the Democrat party is being pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-welfare. These is not Socialism. This is not Far Leftism. The horizon of Leftists is critique of the Capitalist power structure. This is something that Democrats do not support because they are all sold out lapdogs of the wealthy.
Funny. Apparently if they're not waving around a hammer and sickle, they're not anti-capitalist. But the problem isn't capitalism, as I've explained and you've ignored, it's the continual power grab and the destruction of capitalism that is causing our problems.

Evil system? What is evil about it? Marxist theory is about bringing liberation and self-empowerment to people.
No, Marxist theory is about bringing the oppression of one group of people onto another. It destroys the right to one's own life and property in the name of somehow being more liberated. But as teacher, I'm sure you know that those people in West Berlin were dying to get into East Berlin, so much so that they had to put up a wall to keep them out. They were being oppressed by capitalism and so had to flee into the communist paradise, right?

I'm sure you also thought Che was a savior to the people of Cuba. Do you also agree with Che that nuclear missiles should have been launched at the US in the name of "liberation"?

He provided a prediction about the future course of history, it was individual revolutionaries around the world that articulated various answers.
And yet his predictions didn't come true. The workers that didn't revolt against capitalism ended up prospering. The workers that did ended up losing their life or remaining in poverty.

Wee Wee does have a point. Obama and his cast of idiots are more fascist than communist.
True, but both socialism and fascism lead to the same end result. It's like asking which way you want to die, by firing squad or electric chair.

movie buff
10-18-2010, 09:01 AM
"(Marxism is an) Evil system? What is evil about it?"
This could take a while, but I'll give an abridged version:
1. It gives way too much completely unchecked, easily corruptible power to the federal government.
2. It destroys the free market.
3. It does not get rid of the class system, as it claims, merely changes the terms of it. Under Marxist systems, upper classes exist based on people's ethnicities, and especially on how well- connected to the government they are.
4. It "Remedies" the problem of so- called unequal distribution of wealth with equal distribution of poverty.
5. The fact that it has not only failed everywhere it's been implemented, but led to the creation of the most infamous human rights violators in history (i.e. Stalin, Castro, Mao, Kim Jong Il) kind of tells you something.
6. As a Christian, forgive me for not wanting to live under a system under which tens of millions of my brothers and sisters in Christ have been persecuted, tortured and killed for refusing to become Atheists. It'd be like a Jew supporting Nazism.

Reasonable
10-19-2010, 02:30 AM
Quote:

"The main stream media is controlled by the wealthy owners, operators, and top executives. These are the people in the top 1-5% who have been benefitting enormously over the past few decades as middle class and working class progress has been grinding to a halt."

I am relatively new to Conservative Underground.

You wouldn't per chance be able to offer up any actual facts to back up the statements you made above? For example could you give us ... let' say... the names of the top 100 wealthy owners, operators and top executives that contol the main stream media, and what percent of which media they control? And since you state they are in top 1-5%, why don't you just throw in what their incomes are? Of course you would include the source for this information. And could you detail specifically how they have benefitted from or caused the decline of the middle class over the last 30 years along with the data that supports your allegations.

I am of course assuming that you know what your talking about. But i have found, occassionally, that people present opinions which they have disguised as facts. In short they are very long on opinion and very short on actual facts or data.

Constitutionally Speaking
10-19-2010, 06:10 AM
Trick question, the "left-right" political spectrum is bullshit. It's not about left vs right.


The main stream media is controlled by the wealthy owners, operators, and top executives. These are the people in the top 1-5% who have been benefitting enormously over the past few decades as middle class and working class progress has been grinding to a halt.

The MSM is controlled by the elite ruling class that posesses most of the nation's wealth, including these institutions we call "the media".


One point I neglected to bring up the last time this was discussed - you are looking SOLELY at wages. The total compensation of hourly workers has more than DOUBLED since Reagan took office.

The progress of the middle class has NOT been grinding to a halt.