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warpig
10-16-2010, 10:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0MESB6VZM4


What a great video.

Wei Wu Wei
10-16-2010, 11:54 AM
Oh yes the Tea Party has a problem with the elite ruling class?

Exhibit A:

As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one's home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.7%.

Exhibit B:

the rate of increase is even higher for the very richest of the rich: the top 400 income earners in the United States. According to an analysis by David Cay Johnston -- recently retired from reporting on tax issues at the New York Times -- the average income of the top 400 tripled during the Clinton Administration and doubled during the first seven years of the Bush Administration. So by 2007, the top 400 averaged $344.8 million per person, up 31% from an average of $263.3 million just one year earlier (Johnston, 2010). (For another recent revealing study by Johnston, check out "Is Our Tax System Helping Us Create Wealth?").

How are these huge gains possible for the top 400? It's due to cuts in the tax rates on capital gains and dividends, which were down to a mere 15% in 2007 thanks to the tax cuts proposed by the Bush Administration and passed by Congress in 2003. Since almost 75% of the income for the top 400 comes from capital gains and dividends, it's not hard to see why tax cuts on income sources available to only a tiny percent of Americans mattered greatly for the high-earning few.

Check.



and.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il-WqebJrww&t=04m33s
STart at 4 Minutes 33 Seconds.

Checkmate.

Christine ODonnell's plan to put a 2-year freeze on Capital Gains taxes which almost exclusively affect the wealthy.

Yeah! Way to go Tea Party! Take that right to the elite ruling class and shove it up their ass! shove what? more monmey of course!

Articulate_Ape
10-16-2010, 12:29 PM
EXHIBIT C: Look who pays the bills. (http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html)

Wei Wu Wei
10-16-2010, 01:53 PM
It's easy to pay most of the bills when you own nearly all of the wealth. In fact, that's expected.

warpig
10-16-2010, 02:07 PM
It's easy to pay most of the bills when you own nearly all of the wealth. In fact, that's expected.

And there in is the crux of what is wrong with your belief. You and those like you feel perfectly entitled to other peoples money to pay for things for everyone else. Accepting no responsibly on your part for your share or the fact that you proposed and voted on having some social benefit just because you wanted it and figured a way for someone else to foot the bill.

We call those types parasites.

FlaGator
10-16-2010, 02:13 PM
It's easy to pay most of the bills when you own nearly all of the wealth. In fact, that's expected.

Why are you so obsessed with what other people make?

NJCardFan
10-16-2010, 07:03 PM
Why are you so obsessed with what other people make?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah5gAkna3jI

m00
10-17-2010, 01:17 AM
And there in is the crux of what is wrong with your belief. You and those like you feel perfectly entitled to other peoples money to pay for things for everyone else. Accepting no responsibly on your part for your share or the fact that you proposed and voted on having some social benefit just because you wanted it and figured a way for someone else to foot the bill.

We call those types parasites.

This is a pretty good analogy for his posting history, as well.

m00
10-17-2010, 01:22 AM
Why are you so obsessed with what other people make?

What's kinda ironic, is that socialist countries have exactly the same problem - if not worse, because government regulation bars competition to an even greater degree.

Socialism, and Communism, solidifies existing classes. It's true that we have a "wealth" problem in the USA, but this is BECAUSE of socialism. This used to be the course of things:


Man invents something, or is an entrepreneur, and strikes it rich (goes from dirt poor to extremely wealthy)
Children grow/shrink wealth moderately, but otherwise the wealth remains stable.
Grandchildren squander it, and go broke. Go to step 1) as someone else fills the vacuum with their great invention, or service.


Problem now is that government regulations prevent step 3 from happening. Too. Big. To. Fail. Not to mention government "incentives," and "picking winners" who are, oddly, already from the wealthy that W.W.W rails against.

Zathras
10-17-2010, 03:07 AM
Why are you so obsessed with what other people make?

Jealosy pure and simple. Typical liberal trait.

Zathras
10-17-2010, 03:08 AM
More class warfare bullshit

Hello Wee Wee. Look at your comment. Back to mine. Back to yours. NOW BACK TO MINE. Sadly, it isn't mine. But if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate crap it could LOOK like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, finding the ones that your comment could look like. Back at mine, what is it? It's a highly effective counter-troll. Look again, MY COMMENT IS NOW DIAMONDS.

Anything is possible when you think before you comment or post.

I'm on a computer.

MrsSmith
10-17-2010, 09:22 AM
Wealth does not equate with elitism. Many wealthy are that way because they are not elitist. Elitism is all about telling other people what they are allowed to do with their own property, and taking said property in order to hand it to those the elites believe should have it. Elitists truly, deeply believe that most people are simply too stupid to handle their money, their property, their children, their animals, or anything else. They are convinced of their own intelligence to the point that they feel they must control everyone else for the good of all. They may end up wealthy through inheritance or by frivolous things like acting or directing movies, but quite a few of the elitists are not at all wealthy...and are often driven more by envy than by true intelligence.

Conservatives are seldom elitists because the heart of conservatism is to allow others freedom. The main limitation to granting this freedom is the knowledge that the elitists in power that are convinced conservatives must pay for the mistakes of those granted this freedom. As in baling out those "too large to fail," covering health care costs for those that made poor choices, or supporting those that are too irresponsible to work or have destroyed the intelligence God gave them with drug use. Supporting those that made such mistakes is frequently a choice made by conservatives. The elite, however, feel such disdain that they very seldom use their own money for these choices, but rather work tirelessly to steal the money from others for such "good works." Recognizing this fact, conservatives often must balance the granting of freedoms with the debt elitists will force upon us.

Articulate_Ape
10-17-2010, 11:06 AM
Hello Wee Wee. Look at your comment. Back to mine. Back to yours. NOW BACK TO MINE. Sadly, it isn't mine. But if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate crap it could LOOK like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, finding the ones that your comment could look like. Back at mine, what is it? It's a highly effective counter-troll. Look again, MY COMMENT IS NOW DIAMONDS.

Anything is possible when you think before you comment or post.

I'm on a computer.

:D