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CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-18-2010, 06:10 PM
I've been doing a bit of reading on him. He really seems like he was an Anti-American, Socialist piece of garbage. One of the "Founding Fathers" of the modern Anti-American movement, and a disgraceful human being IMO. Should have had his tenure revoked, instead he got to indoctrinate class after class with his "Hate America" views.

xavierob82
10-18-2010, 06:48 PM
Disagree. Howard Zinn is one of America's greatest historians. RIP H Zinn

FlaGator
10-18-2010, 06:49 PM
I've been doing a bit of reading on him. He really seems like he was an Anti-American, Socialist piece of garbage. One of the "Founding Fathers" of the modern Anti-American movement, and a disgraceful human being IMO. Should have had his tenure revoked, instead he got to indoctrinate class after class with his "Hate America" views.

He is not much different than a large majority of tenured college educators... just more well know.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-18-2010, 06:54 PM
He is not much different than a large majority of tenured college educators... just more well know.

The FBI had a huge file on him from what I've read. He was a CPUSA member for years.
I'm really tired of extremists on both sides--The Howard Zinns trying to hijack the Left, the Skousens of the right. They were major forces years ago, but it seems their messages on both sides have had a comeback of sorts, and I think extremism on both sides is a threat to our unity as a nation, and if we keep having this infighting, it'll in the long run be bad for our country.

In a way, I wish the Cold War hadn't ended, because it seems that at least then, having the USSR around as the "Evil Empire" allowed people to see the evils of Communism, and very few in this country during the Cold War era were truly big communist sympathizers like Zinn. Notice they only really ''came out of the closet' so to speak with their core anti-American and Socialist views' as the Cold War waned.

What politician from the '40s to '80s would come out and say, "What's wrong with Socialism?" during the Cold War and gain high office, much less be taken seriously?

Constitutionally Speaking
10-18-2010, 07:25 PM
I've been doing a bit of reading on him. He really seems like he was an Anti-American, Socialist piece of garbage. One of the "Founding Fathers" of the modern Anti-American movement, and a disgraceful human being IMO. Should have had his tenure revoked, instead he got to indoctrinate class after class with his "Hate America" views.


You nailed it EXACTLY.

Constitutionally Speaking
10-18-2010, 07:27 PM
Disagree. Howard Zinn is one of America's greatest historians. RIP H Zinn

The world is a better place now that this piece of shit is gone.

CueSi
10-19-2010, 02:17 AM
The FBI had a huge file on him from what I've read. He was a CPUSA member for years.
I'm really tired of extremists on both sides--The Howard Zinns trying to hijack the Left, the Skousens of the right. They were major forces years ago, but it seems their messages on both sides have had a comeback of sorts, and I think extremism on both sides is a threat to our unity as a nation, and if we keep having this infighting, it'll in the long run be bad for our country.

In a way, I wish the Cold War hadn't ended, because it seems that at least then, having the USSR around as the "Evil Empire" allowed people to see the evils of Communism, and very few in this country during the Cold War era were truly big communist sympathizers like Zinn. Notice they only really ''came out of the closet' so to speak with their core anti-American and Socialist views' as the Cold War waned.

What politician from the '40s to '80s would come out and say, "What's wrong with Socialism?" during the Cold War and gain high office, much less be taken seriously?

Come to Miami, lawl. :p

~QC

asdf2231
10-19-2010, 09:01 AM
Disagree. Howard Zinn is one of America's greatest historians. RIP H Zinn


Zinn opposed the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and wrote several books about it. He asserted that the U.S. would end its war with, and occupation of, Iraq when resistance within the military increased, in the same way resistance within the military contributed to ending the U.S. war in Vietnam. He compared the demand by a growing number of contemporary U.S. military families to end the war in Iraq to the parallel "in the Confederacy in the Civil War, when the wives of soldiers rioted because their husbands were dying and the plantation owners were profiting from the sale of cotton, refusing to grow grains for civilians to eat."[47] Zinn argued that "There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people for a purpose which is unattainable."

Fuck him.

Wei Wu Wei
10-19-2010, 10:02 AM
The FBI had a huge file on him from what I've read. He was a CPUSA member for years.
I'm really tired of extremists on both sides--The Howard Zinns trying to hijack the Left, the Skousens of the right. They were major forces years ago, but it seems their messages on both sides have had a comeback of sorts, and I think extremism on both sides is a threat to our unity as a nation, and if we keep having this infighting, it'll in the long run be bad for our country.

In a way, I wish the Cold War hadn't ended, because it seems that at least then, having the USSR around as the "Evil Empire" allowed people to see the evils of Communism, and very few in this country during the Cold War era were truly big communist sympathizers like Zinn. Notice they only really ''came out of the closet' so to speak with their core anti-American and Socialist views' as the Cold War waned.

What politician from the '40s to '80s would come out and say, "What's wrong with Socialism?" during the Cold War and gain high office, much less be taken seriously?

lol yes just like Martin Luther King Jr wasn't really a good guy cuz the FBI had a file on him too, and he was outspokenly critical of capitalism.

You're looking at this backwards, it was only because a big Evil Empire existed that people learned to be automatically anti-Socialist and to hate anything that could be associated with it. If it weren't for the Big Evil Empire, the American Labor movement would have continued to grow and everyone in America would have secured the basics necessary to live in our society, including a living wage, access to health care, retirement, and more.

There's nothing wrong with socialism, the problem is that during the cold war entire generations of people were raised on movies like Red Dawn and Rocky IV and hearing things like Senator McCarthy. They accepted these images as reality and because it was the reality they accepted when they were young it's the reality most difficult to break.

Odysseus
10-19-2010, 10:36 AM
Disagree. Howard Zinn is one of America's greatest historians. RIP H Zinn

You can disagree all you like, but the facts are there. Here's a bio of Zinn that covers his radical past: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=939

And, here are just a few highlights, to see how one of "America's greatest historians" stacks up in terms of being on the right side of history:


In1949, the FBI opened a domestic security investigationon Zinn (FBI File #100-360217) because of his involvement with Communist front groups and his status as an active member of theCommunist Party USA (CPUSA). (Zinn's membershipin the party lasted from 1948 until at least 1953, and perhaps as late as 1956; he was known to attend party meetings as many as fivetimes per week.) In 1951 Zinn taught a “Basic Marxism” class atthe CPUSA's Brooklyn, New York headquarters, where he emphasized that “the basic teaching of Marx and Lenin were sound and should be adhered to by those present.”
True believer in totalitarian doctrine. Check.


The FBI investigated Zinn still further when he traveled to North Vietnam with Daniel Berrigan to publicize his anti-war positions and his desire to see America's Communist enemies win the Vietnam War. The Bureau ended all itsinvestigations of Zinn in 1974.
Treason. Check.


Zinn's book [a People's History of the United States] contends that Maoist China was “the closest thing, in the long history of that ancient country, to a people’s government, independent of outside control”; Castro’s Cuba “had no bloody record of suppression”; and the Marxist dictators of Nicaragua were “welcomed” by the people, while the opposition Contras, whose candidate triumphed when free elections were held as a result of U.S. pressure, were a “terrorist group”that “seemed to have no popular support inside Nicaragua.”

Supporter of totalitarian thugs. Check.


InOctober 2004, Zinn was a signatory to a statement circulated by the organization 911Truth.org, calling on the U.S.government to investigate the possibility that the September 11attacks were an "inside job" that had been allowed (by the Bush administration) to take place in order to serve as a pretext forAmerica waging war in the Middle East.
Truther moonbat. Check.


To the end of his life, Zinn would continue to sympathize with America’s enemies, just as he had supported the Soviet Union in theCold War. In a pamphlet-like tract published after 9/11 called Terrorism and War,he portrayed the U.S. as a terrorist state, and Islamic jihadists as people valiantly standing up to America’s empire. He stronglyopposed the post-9/11 U.S. invasions of both Iraq andAfghanistan,and he condemned the PatriotAct as an assault on civil liberties.
Sides with misogynist, anti-semitic, anti-American Islamic jihadists. Check.

Zinn was not a historian, but an ideologue who used his position to attack America at every opportunity. Because of his hatred of America, an entire generation of students has been taught to loathe their country.