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Molon Labe
10-19-2010, 02:13 PM
This compliments this thread (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=32698).

You can argue about the little details that seperate communists from fascists all day long, but when it comes to big picture themes......the core is a central locus of power and social collectivist belief systems.


http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/550700/201010181816/Leftists-Progressives-And-Socialists.htm

by Walter Williams


One of the greatest sources of confusion and deception is the difference between leftists, progressives, socialists, communists and fascists.

I thought about this as I caught a glimpse of the Oct. 2 "One Nation" march on Washington. The participants proudly marched with banners, signs and placards reading "Socialists," "Ohio U Democratic Socialists," "International Socialists Organization," "Socialist Party USA," "Build A Socialist Alternative" and other signs expressing support for socialism and communism.

They had stands where they sold booklets under the titles of "Marxism and the State," "Communist Manifesto," "Four Marxist Classics," "The Road to Socialism" and similar titles.

The gathering had the support of the AFL-CIO, Service Employees International Union, stalwarts of the Democratic Party such as Al Sharpton and organizations such as the NAACP, the National Council of La Raza, Green for All, the Sierra Club and the Children's Defense Fund.

What goes unappreciated is that socialists and communists have produced the greatest evil in mankind's history. You say, "Williams, what in the world are you talking about? Socialists, communists and their fellow travelers care about the little guy in his struggle for a fair shake! They're trying to promote social justice."

Let's look at some of the history of socialism and communism.

Nazism is a form of socialism. In fact, Nazi stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party. Nazis murdered 20 million of their own people and in nations they captured.

The unspeakable acts of Adolf Hitler's Socialist Workers' Party pale in comparison to the horrors committed in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). Between 1917 and 1987, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin and their successors murdered, or were otherwise responsible for the deaths of, 62 million of their own people.

Between 1949 and 1987, Mao Tse-tung and his successors were responsible for the deaths of 76 million Chinese. The most authoritative tally of history's most murderous regimes is in a book by University of Hawaii's Professor Rudolph J. Rummel, "Death by Government." A wealth of information is provided at his website.

You say, "Williams, isn't it a bit unfair to lump the "One Nation" communists, socialists and their supporters with mass murderers such as Hitler, Stalin and Mao Tse-tung? After all, they expressed no such murderous goal."

When Hitler, Stalin and Mao were campaigning for political power, you can bet they didn't campaign on the promise to murder millions of their own people, and probably the thought of doing so never crossed their minds. Those horrors were simply the end result of long evolution of ideas leading to consolidation of power in central government in the quest for "social justice."

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CaughtintheMiddle1990
10-19-2010, 02:21 PM
This compliments this thread (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=32698).

You can argue about the little details that seperate communists from fascists all day long, but when it comes to big picture themes......the core is a central locus of power and social collectivist belief systems.


http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/550700/201010181816/Leftists-Progressives-And-Socialists.htm

by Walter Williams



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One flaw with this article otherwise I agree with it generally.
Hitler, Stalin and Mao (but especially Hitler) knew they were going to kill people even before they campaigned for power. Hitler always decried Jews as an enemy of the German people. His anti-semitic views go back to the '20s at least when he wrote Mein Kampf.

And Stalin was a sociopath, and Mao felt China could lose a couple of million people.

Molon Labe
10-19-2010, 04:29 PM
One flaw with this article otherwise I agree with it generally.
Hitler, Stalin and Mao (but especially Hitler) knew they were going to kill people even before they campaigned for power. Hitler always decried Jews as an enemy of the German people. His anti-semitic views go back to the '20s at least when he wrote Mein Kampf.

And Stalin was a sociopath, and Mao felt China could lose a couple of million people.

Sure...but what I'm jazzed about is that guys like Williams are finally coming around to think less and less about the left - right dynamics of a Hitler or a Mao....and starting to understand the bigger picture that ALL big government and collectivist beliefs lead to these type regimes.