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Elspeth
08-20-2008, 09:10 PM
There is noise about McCain choosing Lieberman as his VP, especially as Lieberman is speaking at the GOP convention. What do you think?

Zeus
08-20-2008, 09:22 PM
There is noise about McCain choosing Lieberman as his VP, especially as Lieberman is speaking at the GOP convention. What do you think?

No to VP. I'd be OK with a cabinet position perhaps.

LogansPapa
08-20-2008, 09:26 PM
Lieberman as his VP: Can't find someone within your own party? WTF?:confused:

Phillygirl
08-20-2008, 09:51 PM
No to VP. I'd be OK with a cabinet position perhaps.

Same here.

M21
08-20-2008, 10:22 PM
No to VP. I'd be OK with a cabinet position perhaps. x 2. I wonder when he'll just flip parties?

Zeus
08-20-2008, 10:36 PM
Same here.

Make him head of the Faith Based Initiative (whatever they call it) Department.:p

SaintLouieWoman
08-20-2008, 10:45 PM
No to VP. I'd be OK with a cabinet position perhaps.

Same here. At McCain's age, would hate for the Dems to win the election by default. A cabinet position is fine.

Zeus
08-20-2008, 10:55 PM
Same here. At McCain's age, would hate for the Dems to win the election by default. A cabinet position is fine.

That "Old Man's" momma is out on the campaign trail for him. His genes coupled with his oneryness,hell he could outlive us all :p

Sonnabend
08-21-2008, 08:20 AM
Damn Elspeth.....he has a lot of appeal. But can he carry Ohio and Florida? More to the point....SHIT, he could carry California. the primaries and the last election show he has a strong following.

Elspeth, you are full of surprises.:)

linda22003
08-21-2008, 08:21 AM
Two Old White Guys, each of them making the other look even older. Nope.

Cold Warrior
08-21-2008, 08:26 AM
Two Old White Guys, each of them making the other look even older. Nope.

Unfortunately, I think you're correct. I'd really like to see Lieberman as the VP candidate for his policies and views across the board from national defense through abortion and civil liberties, but I think the age thing is a deal breaker.

linda22003
08-21-2008, 08:30 AM
I know it's a surface assessment, but most people don't go very deep when they vote.

LibraryLady
08-21-2008, 08:37 AM
Somehow voting for a 72 year old man with a Dem in line to succeed him is more than I could take.

linda22003
08-21-2008, 08:39 AM
He won't cross party lines for a VP choice, but I can see Lieberman in the cabinet in some capacity.

LibraryLady
08-21-2008, 08:45 AM
I agree, I really don't think McCain is going to pick Lieberman.

With this big mess about Zer-0 and the Illinois Infant Born Alive Act, I think McCain will definitely pick a pro-life running mate. Abortion is not my litmus test but it is for many.

Sonnabend
08-21-2008, 08:56 AM
Abortion is not my litmus test but it is for many.

Why? Why is it such a hot button issue?

linda22003
08-21-2008, 09:00 AM
Why? Why is it such a hot button issue?

Other countries don't understand this about America, at all. I assume it's because of our "religious" background, and the "social conservatives" are the ones for whom it's a hot button issue. Any time the American people are polled about their most compelling voting issues, abortion is never higher than fifth or sixth. Most of us don't give it a lot of attention. It's legal, it's likely to stay that way, and it's not something the President can do much about (except possibly through Supreme Court appointments, and I think that's a long shot in any case).

LibraryLady
08-21-2008, 09:00 AM
Why is it not my litmus test or why is it for others?

We can come to different conclusions in our beliefs.

linda22003
08-21-2008, 09:01 AM
Why is it not my litmus test or why is it for others?

We can come to different conclusions in our beliefs.

It's okay, LL, I already gave the Definitive Answer. :p

YupItsMe
08-21-2008, 10:25 AM
Why? Why is it such a hot button issue?



Because a lot of us feel it's murder. Has nothing to do with my religious beliefs. I think we've cheapened life. The inner city kid who's seen his sister have three abortions, decides he want's somebody else's sneakers. Why not just pop a cap in his ass and take them. :(

linda22003
08-21-2008, 10:30 AM
Because a lot of us feel it's murder. Has nothing to do with my religious beliefs. I think we've cheapened life. The inner city kid who's seen his sister have three abortions, decides he want's somebody else's sneakers. Why not just pop a cap in his ass and take them. :(

Why is this not common in other countries where abortion is legal, then?

YupItsMe
08-21-2008, 10:38 AM
No to VP. I'd be OK with a cabinet position perhaps.


Probably about the 4th person to agree with this. I think McCain needs to go right on his VP choice, not left, but I do like Joe Lieberman. I don't agree with all of his positions (abortion, gay marriage, etc), but respect his honesty and ethics. At least he understands GWOT.

YupItsMe
08-21-2008, 10:44 AM
Why is this not common in other countries where abortion is legal, then?


Because most of those countries are socialist. Not much class envy when everybody is equally miserable. I bet our violent crime rate is higher all around, but that doesn't negate what I say. I would be interested to compare our abortion rate to Europe's. I bet they have less accidental pregnancies. I'm not going to google it, but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

LogansPapa
08-21-2008, 10:52 AM
Because most of those countries are socialist. Not much class envy when everybody is equally miserable.

Full Marks: Obama’s #1 Plank of the DNC Platform!

linda22003
08-21-2008, 10:58 AM
Because most of those countries are socialist. Not much class envy when everybody is equally miserable.

Oh, PUHLEEZE. Unlike you, I have been to most of these countries, and the most "socialist" - Denmark, Sweden, for example - are incredibly clean and safe. No one looked miserable.
I think in general there is a lower abortion rate in European countries, but they don't agonize over the question in general. They think it's the woman's business.

Cold Warrior
08-21-2008, 10:59 AM
Because most of those countries are socialist. Not much class envy when everybody is equally miserable....

Have you ever been to Europe? Most of the people I know there aren't particularly miserable!

Molon Labe
08-21-2008, 12:21 PM
There is noise about McCain choosing Lieberman as his VP, especially as Lieberman is speaking at the GOP convention. What do you think?

You're joking, I hope, Elspeth? :p

Elspeth
08-21-2008, 12:34 PM
Damn Elspeth.....he has a lot of appeal. But can he carry Ohio and Florida? More to the point....SHIT, he could carry California. the primaries and the last election show he has a strong following.

Elspeth, you are full of surprises.:)

LOL!!!

Actually, I have been hearing some noise about Lieberman and my conservative friends always liked him. There is also the fact that Senator Lieberman was challenged in 2006 (in the Democratic primary) by Ned Lamont who was backed by none other than Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. These two far lefters were flanking Lamont when he gave his victory speech. (You just KNOW Donna Brazile was in the background somewhere!) The more centrist Lieberman went independent and eventually won the election as an independent but he could only do that because he had strong Republican support.

Now Lieberman is speaking at GOP convention. As a strong backer of Israel and the current war against terrorism, Lieberman also brings more socially tolerant credentials, though he is in no way a leftie wingnut. He is also a religious Jew and that carries weight in some quarters.

I don't know what his role in a McCain administration will be--if any--but when I heard it floated that he might be being considered for VP, I wondered how it would fly with conservatives. I would feel very comfortable with a McCain/Lieberman ticket, but then I am a centrist Dem.

Elspeth
08-21-2008, 12:40 PM
You're joking, I hope, Elspeth? :p

Not joking, but it isn't my idea. I have been hearing noise about this. I think it may be far fetched unless Lieberman should change his party allegiance at the convention, but I doubt that too. I just thought that in this election year when so MANY people are opposed to Obama, and even traditional Democrats find him completely unprepared and are not sure where he even stands on anything, it might be nice to have a more centrist ticket. I really am a centrist at heart, and a McCain/Lieberman ticket appeals to me.

But I think you all are right that a cabinet position might be a better idea. Maybe Homeland Security?

Molon Labe
08-21-2008, 12:43 PM
Not joking, but it isn't my idea. I have been hearing noise about this. I think it may be far fetched unless Lieberman should change his party allegiance at the convention, but I doubt that too. I just thought that in this election year when so MANY people are opposed to Obama, and even traditional Democrats find him completely unprepared and are not sure where he even stands on anything, it might be nice to have a more centrist ticket. I really am a centrist at heart, and a McCain/Lieberman ticket appeals to me.
But I think you all are right that a cabinet position might be a better idea. Maybe Homeland Security?

Interesting......it would really throw this thing into a crapshoot

Elspeth
08-21-2008, 12:59 PM
Interesting......it would really throw this thing into a crapshoot

Yeah it would. But on the other hand, more average Americans might find something for themselves in a McCain/Lieberman ticket than an Obama/Biden (?) ticket. The average American cannot handle any more in taxes than s/he already has to pay out.

lacarnut
08-21-2008, 01:07 PM
Two Old White Guys, each of them making the other look even older. Nope.

More like two old white guys that have the same basic philosophy. He needs someone a tad younger with conservative principals.

Goldwater
08-21-2008, 01:43 PM
More like two old white guys that have the same basic philosophy. He needs someone a tad younger with conservative principals.

Look, to win he needs a woman that is at least a bit conservative. He would win and win hard if Obama picks a man, Biden would basically be Kerry in an election.

Elspeth
08-21-2008, 01:46 PM
Look, to win he needs a woman that is at least a bit conservative. He would win and win hard if Obama picks a man, Biden would basically be Kerry in an election.

I could go for a McCain/Fiorinia ticket.

linda22003
08-21-2008, 01:49 PM
What do you like about Carly Fiorina? What do you know about Carly Fiorina?

Eyelids
08-21-2008, 02:10 PM
Biden would basically be Kerry in an election.

Ummm I'm not sure you'lre at all familiar with Joe Biden.

Cold Warrior
08-21-2008, 02:14 PM
Ummm I'm not sure you'lre at all familiar with Joe Biden.

I actually think Biden would be a good pick for Obama. Good foreign policy experience, strong views on national defense that, while they differ from the R's, can't be characterized as "cut and run" or "weak on defense." That is not to say that Biden is without his own weaknesses, however. He's vulnerable on his allegiance to the credit card industry, something that could alienate much of the middle class. And, don't forget, his Gary Hart moment -- "I'm smarter than any of you."

gator
08-21-2008, 02:21 PM
Probably about the 4th person to agree with this. I think McCain needs to go right on his VP choice, not left, but I do like Joe Lieberman. I don't agree with all of his positions (abortion, gay marriage, etc), but respect his honesty and ethics. At least he understands GWOT.

How honest is the sonofabitch? How much "ethics" does he really have?

He has been a friggin Liberal his entire life. He is in the back pocket of just about every sleazy Democrat special interest group including the unions and environmental wackos.

He voted to not impeach Clinton. He voted against the right to keep and bear arms. He voted to raise taxes.

He is a scumbag Left Winger. The only things he cares about the the GWOT is how it affects his beloved Israel.

He was Al Gore's running mate for god's sakes.

UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!! The very fact that McCain is considering him shows what the Republican Party has become.

Cold Warrior
08-21-2008, 06:52 PM
How honest is the sonofabitch? How much "ethics" does he really have?

He has been a friggin Liberal his entire life. He is in the back pocket of just about every sleazy Democrat special interest group including the unions and environmental wackos.

He voted to not impeach Clinton. He voted against the right to keep and bear arms. He voted to raise taxes.

He is a scumbag Left Winger. The only things he cares about the the GWOT is how it affects his beloved Israel.

He is a scumbag. The asshole was Al Gore's running mate for god's sakes.

UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!! The very fact that McCain is considering him shows what the Republican Party has become.

Uhmm. Small point, Gator. "The asshole" was AlBore's running mate. :D

gator
08-21-2008, 07:13 PM
Uhmm. Small point, Gator. "The asshole" was AlBore's running mate. :D


Correct. I will go back and edit.

asdf2231
08-21-2008, 07:22 PM
Considering that Lieberman as a potential veep is coming from everywhere BUT the McCain campaign as a serious possibility and his campaign stated yesterday that they would NOT entertain a pro choice veep all this crap is hyperbole.

Zeus
08-21-2008, 07:59 PM
I got somewhat of a feeling McCain's VP pick will be someone totally off the radar. Someone that's known in small circles but with the bonifides that once people are aware of them they'll be pleasantly surprised.

IE: Recall his answer to the question about three people he would rely on for counsel & advise .

YupItsMe
08-22-2008, 10:24 AM
Have you ever been to Europe? Most of the people I know there aren't particularly miserable!


Cows crazing in the field look pretty content also. So!

Cold Warrior
08-22-2008, 10:26 AM
Cows crazing in the field look pretty content also. So!

Thanks. You answered my question. Another American talking about people, places, and things he knows nothing about.

YupItsMe
08-22-2008, 05:12 PM
Thanks. You answered my question. Another American talking about people, places, and things he knows nothing about.


Sorry, know it all. Been to Europe. Watched people stand in lines. They're just more complacent. Most of Great Britain tolerates shitty food and lousy utilities just because they don't know any better. Was born in Canada. visiited regularly until just recently. Watched all them tolerate high taxes and shitty healthcare. Didn't even become a U.S citizen until 1985. Play again?

Cold Warrior
08-22-2008, 05:21 PM
Sorry, know it all. Been to Europe. Watched people stand in lines. They're just more complacent. Most of Great Britain tolerates shitty food and lousy utilities just because they don't know any better. Was born in Canada. visiited regularly until just recently. Watched all them tolerate high taxes and shitty healthcare. Didn't even become a U.S citizen until 1985. Play again?

Sure, how long did you live in Europe? Did that experience include both Western and Eastern Europe?

What do you know about the heallthcare in France? Have you ever had to make use, yourself, of European health care or is your "knowledge" second-hand?

Since your measure of socialization seems to be a capability to wait in line, ever stood in a DMV line in the US? Or, alternatively, ever been to Saudi where, according to your criteria, they aren't socialized because they sure don't have any concept of lines. Ever tried to get a ticket at a Saudia counter? With your standard of measure, you sure wouldn't consider them socialized!

I can play this all day.

LogansPapa
08-22-2008, 05:28 PM
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Cold Warrior
08-22-2008, 05:31 PM
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Eyelids
08-22-2008, 05:40 PM
Those miserable socialist countries like Sweden and Norway have higher GDP's per capita than the USA.

megimoo
08-22-2008, 05:52 PM
Those miserable socialist countries like Sweden and Norway have higher GDP's per capita than the USA.Yet the government takes it all back in taxes !

Eyelids
08-22-2008, 05:56 PM
Yet the government takes it all back in taxes !

/facepalm

Megimoo, it's called wealth redistribution.

Zathras
08-22-2008, 06:53 PM
/facepalm

Megimoo, it's called wealth redistribution.

No, it's called Socialism.

Eyelids
08-22-2008, 06:57 PM
No, it's called Socialism.

It's funny that offering the things that were once ubiquitous (you know, water, food, room to move around in, and the ability to NOT have all of your freedoms taken away because you can't afford them) is now considered a socialist act just because the all devouring maw of Capitalism absorbed them, made them a product, and controlled their distribution.

Zathras
08-22-2008, 07:10 PM
It's funny that offering the things that were once ubiquitous (you know, water, food, room to move around in, and the ability to NOT have all of your freedoms taken away because you can't afford them) is now considered a socialist act just because the all devouring maw of Capitalism absorbed them, made them a product, and controlled their distribution.

Well, if it's so damn good, why don't you renounce your US citizenship and move there.

Zeus
08-23-2008, 10:56 AM
Would someone who has held 2 different cabinet positions under 2 different presidents,Was in charge of one of the worlds leading Charitable organizations and is currently a US Senator be a good pick for VP for McCain. Oh yea she also has a vigina.

linda22003
08-23-2008, 10:58 AM
Would someone who has held 2 different cabinet positions under 2 different presidents,Was in charge of one of the worlds leading Charitable organizations and is currently a US Senator be a good pick for VP for McCain. Oh yea she also has a vigina.

What's "vigina"? If you're trying to say the name of my state, there's an R in it. Virginia.

Zeus
08-23-2008, 11:03 AM
What's "vigina"? If you're trying to say the name of my state, there's an R in it. Virginia.

OOPs :o. It's a typo,Use your imagination. :rolleyes: