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10-23-2010, 12:35 PM

marmar (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-23-10 08:56 AM
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Fascist America: Is This Election the Next Turn?

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Blog for Our Future / By Sara Robinson

Fascist America: Is This Election the Next Turn?
It's not fascism yet; but if the Tea Party manages to get its hands on the levers of power, it will be.

October 22, 2010 |

In August 2009, I wrote a piece titled Fascist America: Are We There Yet? that sparked much discussion on both the left and right ends of the blogosphere. In it, I argued that -- according to the best scholarship on how fascist regimes emerge -- America was on a path that was running much too close to the fail-safe point beyond which no previous democracy has ever been able to turn back from a full-on fascist state. I also noted that the then-emerging Tea Party had a lot of proto-fascist hallmarks, and that it had the potential to become a clear and present danger to the future of our democracy if it ever got enough traction to start winning elections in a big way.

On the first anniversary of that article, Jonah Goldberg -- the right's revisionist-in-chief on the subject of fascism -- actually used an entire National Review column to taunt me about what he characterized as a failure of prediction. Where's that fascist state you promised? he hooted.

It's funny he should ask. Because this coming election may, in fact, be a critical turning point on that road.

The Fascist America series of three articles (the other two are here and here) was built out of Robert Paxton's Anatomy of Fascism -- a landmark work of scholarship that lays out that specific conditions and prognosis of fascism as a political form. Paxton defined fascism as:

...a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.

Paxton laid out the five basic lifecycle stages of successful fascist movements. In the first stage, a mature industrial state facing some kind of crisis breeds a new, rural movement that's based on nationalist renewal. This movement invariably rejects reason and glorifies raw emotion, promises to restore lost national pride, co-opts the nation's traditional myths for its own purposes, and insists that the country must be purged of the toxic influence of outsiders and intellectuals who are blamed for their current misery. ..........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/148588/fascist_america... /

greytdemocrat (170 posts) Sat Oct-23-10 09:03 AM
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1. Hmmm...

I thought the "other side" was the master of "FEAR".

Apparently it's alive and well on the Progressive side too.
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marmar (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-23-10 09:06 AM
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3. Ours is legitimate.....Have you seen a Tea Party rally?

Edited on Sat Oct-23-10 09:07 AM by marmar
You can tell it's close to election time. DU is getting its usual coterie of visitors.

piralHawk (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-23-10 09:05 AM
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2. "Smirk." - TotaliTeaBagliCons (R)

It would appear that we are the Borg now, does this mean we are winning?

Dan D. Doty
10-23-2010, 02:15 PM
Juan Williams is fired for exercising free speech, a stag hand is fired for weasring the wrong t-shirt, two of women on the View threw a fit because disagreed with them; And the Moonbats aren't smart enough to check the mirror :rolleyes:

Yes, the dark storm is almost here.

10-23-2010, 06:25 PM
Proto-fascist? I don't think the tea party is promoting the nationalization of all industries in the name of the greater good of the state. Of course, these idiots think fascism means having respect for the American flag or believing that your country is a unique creation in the world. Some of the points about an emerging fascist state are so broad that it could refer to any country.

Another problem is that the author lumps in all movements as being fascist.

-- Economic libertarians who worry about big government collectivist tyranny

-- Christian Right Conservatives who oppose liberal government social policies

-- Right-wing apocalyptic Christians who fear a Satanic New World Order

-- Nebulous conspiracy theorists who fear a secular New World Order

-- Nationalistic ultra-patriots concerned that US sovereignty is eroding

-- Xenophobic anti-immigrant white nationalists who worry about preserving the “real” America.
Depending on your definition of each, if each group fits on the right side of the American political spectrum, then I don't think that any of these could be labeled as fascist. What's a "nationalistic ultra-patriot"? If I feel pride for my country, then I'm somehow wanting to erode the freedoms of my country. The author would best look at his own progressive ideology if he wants to see where the soft fascism is coming from.