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warpig
10-27-2010, 07:09 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/sc-dc-1028-court-execution-20101027,0,6859358.story


The newest member of the Supreme Court is in the minority in backing a stay of execution over questions about the safety of a drug to be used in a lethal injection. Shortly after the stay was overturned Tuesday, Arizona executed Jeffrey Landrigan.

The 5-4 ruling overturned orders by a federal judge in Phoenix and the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco that had stopped the execution by lethal injection of Jeffrey Landrigan.

His lawyers, in a last-ditch appeal, had raised questions about one of the drugs used in the execution. Since the only U.S. manufacturer of sodium thiopental had suspended production, Arizona officials said they had obtained a supply of the drug from a British company.

A judge had put the execution on hold because she said she was "left to speculate" whether this drug was safe for its intended use.

:eek: What??...........safety over the drug to be used??

NJCardFan
10-27-2010, 07:15 PM
Wait, what? The safety of the drug used to perform lethal injection? What does this even mean? That it might kill the guy? Isn't that the whole point?

Big Guy
10-27-2010, 07:20 PM
Did you know...........

If a condemned inmate has a Heart Attack the day of His/Her execution the inmate must be treated or even hospitalized. If surgery is needed he/she will receive the surgery and can not be executed until he/she is given a clean bill of health by a Doctor.

This is a Fact.

NJCardFan
10-27-2010, 09:42 PM
Did you know...........

If a condemned inmate has a Heart Attack the day of His/Her execution the inmate must be treated or even hospitalized. If surgery is needed he/she will receive the surgery and can not be executed until he/she is given a clean bill of health by a Doctor.

This is a Fact.

God, isn't government great?

KhrushchevsShoe
10-27-2010, 09:49 PM
Did you know...........

If a condemned inmate has a Heart Attack the day of His/Her execution the inmate must be treated or even hospitalized. If surgery is needed he/she will receive the surgery and can not be executed until he/she is given a clean bill of health by a Doctor.

This is a Fact.

Cruel and unusual punishment.

Zathras
10-27-2010, 10:51 PM
Cruel and unusual punishment.

Yeah, for the victim's family(s) and the tax paying public whos money goes to healing that waste of skin just to kill it later.

PoliCon
10-27-2010, 11:06 PM
Cruel and unusual punishment.

fuck you. Cruel and unusual how? Cruel is being hanged, drawn and quartered or having your innards roasted over hot coals. Lethal injection is about as pussified as an execution can get. I say go back to hanging and or the firing squad.

KhrushchevsShoe
10-28-2010, 01:59 AM
PoliCon, I meant being left on a table to die when you're experiencing medical problems.

Zathras, if you hate the constitution so much why do you live in the USA?

Sonnabend
10-28-2010, 03:16 AM
Cruel and unusual punishment.

Listening to you? Yes.

noonwitch
10-28-2010, 08:49 AM
Did you know...........

If a condemned inmate has a Heart Attack the day of His/Her execution the inmate must be treated or even hospitalized. If surgery is needed he/she will receive the surgery and can not be executed until he/she is given a clean bill of health by a Doctor.

This is a Fact.



Same thing happens if he makes an unsuccessful suicide attempt. They have to treat him before they can kill him.

Personally, I'm relieved to live in a state that doesn't have the death penalty. I don't shed tears for murderers who are executed, but I don't really want to be a part of the process.

Bailey
10-28-2010, 08:56 AM
Same thing happens if he makes an unsuccessful suicide attempt. They have to treat him before they can kill him.

Personally, I'm relieved to live in a state that doesn't have the death penalty. I don't shed tears for murderers who are executed, but I don't really want to be a part of the process.

For the love of pete grow a pair...:p:rolleyes:



Ever since we allowed women to vote its been all down hill.

PoliCon
10-28-2010, 09:02 AM
PoliCon, I meant being left on a table to die when you're experiencing medical problems.

Zathras, if you hate the constitution so much why do you live in the USA?

Meh. Take it up with the individual doing the punishing then. The state did not give them the heart attack.

obx
10-28-2010, 09:07 AM
Did you know...........

If a condemned inmate has a Heart Attack the day of His/Her execution the inmate must be treated or even hospitalized. If surgery is needed he/she will receive the surgery and can not be executed until he/she is given a clean bill of health by a Doctor.

This is a Fact.

This is another reason why executions should be done within one month of conviction. No one should sit on death row for longer than 30 days.

wilbur
10-28-2010, 09:17 AM
This is another reason why executions should be done within one month of conviction. No one should sit on death row for longer than 30 days.

Gee, what could possibly go wrong there?

Bailey
10-28-2010, 09:22 AM
Gee, what could possibly go wrong there?



No let them languish on death row for 10+ years :rolleyes:

wilbur
10-28-2010, 09:50 AM
No let them languish on death row for 10+ years :rolleyes:

We have the long death row due process because of the finality of death, and staggeringly high rates of exoneration post conviction.

Bump it up to 30 days, and watch as record numbers of innocent people get executed.

Bailey
10-28-2010, 10:01 AM
We have the long death row due process because of the finality of death, and staggeringly high rates of exoneration post conviction.

Bump it up to 30 days, and watch as record numbers of innocent people get executed.

Or do they get off on a technicality? 30 days maybe a bit to fast, but no longer then a year should be enough.

PoliCon
10-28-2010, 10:27 AM
No let them languish on death row for 10+ years :rolleyes:

There has to be a happy medium.

PoliCon
10-28-2010, 10:29 AM
Or do they get off on a technicality? 30 days maybe a bit to fast, but no longer then a year should be enough.

I say 3-5 MAX. Recognizing that most of the lawyers doing appeals are Public defenders and over worked - I'm willing to go as high as 5.

noonwitch
10-28-2010, 11:49 AM
For the love of pete grow a pair...:p:rolleyes:



Ever since we allowed women to vote its been all down hill.



There are legitimate reasons for being opposed to the death pentalty. It's not something worth arguing about, though, because whether you are for it or against it, you still don't want the murderers walking around amongst us.

NJCardFan
10-28-2010, 11:50 AM
I don't think 30 days is good but for God's sake, 10, 20 years? Stanley "Tookie" Williams was convicted and sentenced to death in 1979. He was executed in 2005. 26 frigging years after he was convicted? Really? Was this totally necessary? John Wayne Gacy spent 14 years on death row. Took 19 years to execute Ted Bundy. 10 years for Eileen Wuornos. These were serial killers that took almost forever to execute. And you anti-death penalty people are all ok with this I suppose.

Arroyo_Doble
10-28-2010, 12:07 PM
She sided with the so-called liberal wing of the Supreme Court. Is this surprising? Did you think Obama was going to nominate plutocratic corporatists like Bush did?

KhrushchevsShoe
10-28-2010, 01:33 PM
I say 3-5 MAX. Recognizing that most of the lawyers doing appeals are Public defenders and over worked - I'm willing to go as high as 5.

LOL OK mein Fuhrer.

PoliCon
10-28-2010, 03:35 PM
LOL OK mein Fuhrer.

You had to invoke godwin's didn't ya. :rolleyes:

PoliCon
10-28-2010, 03:36 PM
She sided with the so-called liberal wing of the Supreme Court. Is this surprising? Did you think Obama was going to nominate plutocratic corporatists like Bush did?

WTF? Corporatists? Plutocratic? :rolleyes:

Bailey
10-28-2010, 03:47 PM
WTF? Corporatists? Plutocratic? :rolleyes:

You forget poli if a justice doesn't rule left of Ginsburg you are a corporatists or a plutocrat or some such bullshit.

PoliCon
10-28-2010, 03:49 PM
You forget poli if a justice doesn't rule left of Ginsburg you are a corporatists or a plutocrat or some such bullshit.

I wanna hear the little commie bitches evidence that proves such to be the case.

Arroyo_Doble
10-28-2010, 03:50 PM
WTF? Corporatists? Plutocratic? :rolleyes:

The Roberts Court lost me with Citizens United. That is when the veil was dropped.

Expect alot of 5-4 decisions.

Bailey
10-28-2010, 03:53 PM
The Roberts Court lost me with Citizens United. That is when the veil was dropped.

Expect alot of 5-4 decisions.


Funny there were a lot of 5-4 decisions before Roberts came to the SC. :confused:

PoliCon
10-28-2010, 03:59 PM
The Roberts Court lost me with Citizens United. That is when the veil was dropped.

Expect alot of 5-4 decisions.

And what is it about that case that bothers you? Please quote from the case opinion itself in evidence.

Constitutionally Speaking
10-28-2010, 04:41 PM
PoliCon, I meant being left on a table to die when you're experiencing medical problems.

Zathras, if you hate the constitution so much why do you live in the USA?


Isn't it more cruel forcing you to deal with the recovery knowing that it is all in vain?

Big Guy
10-28-2010, 05:45 PM
Same thing happens if he makes an unsuccessful suicide attempt. They have to treat him before they can kill him.

Personally, I'm relieved to live in a state that doesn't have the death penalty. I don't shed tears for murderers who are executed, but I don't really want to be a part of the process.

This is also a FACT.

Big Guy
10-28-2010, 05:51 PM
This is another reason why executions should be done within one month of conviction. No one should sit on death row for longer than 30 days.

I think this is the first time I agree with Wilbur. Thirty days is too fast, I am for a 3-5 year time limit, but it should be mandatory to test all DNA evidence in that time period if DNA evidence is applicable to the case.

I have worked on an execution detail in Tennessee, I would hate to find out that he was innocent after the fact.

Odysseus
10-28-2010, 06:08 PM
She sided with the so-called liberal wing of the Supreme Court. Is this surprising? Did you think Obama was going to nominate plutocratic corporatists like Bush did?
No, I expected him to nominate Socialists who thought liike he did, that the Constitution should have been printed in soft, absorbent rolls for the convenience of our elites.

LOL OK mein Fuhrer.
You are an odious little fraction of a man, aren't you?

The Roberts Court lost me with Citizens United. That is when the veil was dropped.

Expect alot of 5-4 decisions.
I've never understood why Citizens United offended the left so much. If corporate money can't be used to buy campaign ads, why are news corporations allowed to editorialize without restriction? What makes the NY Times any better than Citizens United? What makes PBS any more ethical when they produce a documentary during an election? How was Dan Rather's attempted hatchet job on Bush in 2004, using forged documents, acceptable, but a documentary on Hillary in 2008 was beyond the pale? Why is it okay for studios to make partisan fiction films whose assumptions are that American troops torture innocents (Rendition), murder and rape them (Redacted), come home broken by war and completely shattered (In the Valley of Elah) or are lunatic adrenaline junkies (The Hurt Locker)? Why is it okay for a union to use mandatory dues to pay for political ads, but not a corporation that is made up of voluntary shareholders?

I don't expect a rational answer, although I'd be pleasantly surprised by one.

Zathras
10-28-2010, 07:33 PM
Zathras, if you hate the constitution so much why do you live in the USA?

Ooooh, so thinking that tax money should not be wasted on healing someone who we're going to execute anyway means I hate the constitution? What an idiot you are KS. Cruel and unusual punishment you say? What about the victims of the murdering SOB? I guess you're ok with the suffering that the waste of skin inflicted upon them, depriving them of their lives.

Oh, and since you love everything that's the anathema of the American way of life, why are you still here?

Could it be that you're nothing but a punk assed teenager still living with mommy and daddy with no fucking clue about the real world? Yeah, that's it.

Zathras
10-28-2010, 07:36 PM
You had to invoke godwin's didn't ya. :rolleyes:

Of course he did....it's all his feeble little mind could come up with.