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Adam Wood
11-08-2010, 03:18 PM
Denninmi (241 posts) Sat Nov-06-10 05:09 PM
Original message
The Tea Party -- A Nazi Party in search of a Reichstag Fire? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9500733)


I'm really having a hard time convincing myself that the sky is not falling with the election of Tea Party candidates to the U.S. Congress.

Opinions, please -- is the Tea Party a true fascist movement that ultimately seeks total control of society and to crush its political opposition and those it deems "unfit" through violent repression if given the opportunity?

To me, if feels like what I imagine Germany was like in 1932. And, I believe they are just looking for any excuse to ignore, supersede, or suspend both our laws and our society's morals and begin to act in an oppressive and violent manner. Once the genie is out of the bottle, I believe this will quickly spiral beyond the point of no return. That trigger event could be almost anything -- another 9/11 type terrorist attack, an assassination, civil unrest, whatever would make a good excuse.

One key reason I believe this is that, unlike fringe movements of the recent past, these people now have the legitimacy of election as well as the support of reasonably large numbers of society's elites, especially business elites like the Koch brothers.

I also believe that much of the Tea Party's supposed "inclusion" of certain minority members is just for show -- once in power, I believe that this movement will quickly "purge" those who do not fit the "ideal" which, IMO, is limited to white evangelicals.

Opinions, opinions, opinions. Even if you want to tell me this is the dumbest thing you've ever read and I better get myself to the shrink for some meds ASAP. I would like to know what people REALLY think about this. I see signs all over that leads me to feel that this is the path this country is following, signs such as the intense hatred of Muslims and immigrants.
AlinPA (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-10 06:04 PM
Response to Original message
4. It looks a lot like a fascist movement to me. They have leaders in the front of media

-Palin. Beck, Hannity and a large commuication channel (Fox). Taking advantage of a poor ecomomic environment with ant-government rhetoric.

They exhibit all the things that make up a fascist movement, nationalism, patriotism, fundamentalist religion, hate for minorities (black, any other race than white, gay people, even the disabled), any religion that is not Christian, and disdain for educated people ("intellectuals).
alanquatermass (100 posts) Sat Nov-06-10 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. From one Alan to another...

-- I have to say that I couldn't agree with you more.

I cannot believe that the kind of racist hatemongering FILTH being spewed by the likes of Palin, Beck and Hannity is even LEGAL, let alone being tolerated by the masses.

I think Barack Obama needs to find a way to stop them -- some legal pretext (like the Fairness Doctrine?) for shutting these racists DOWN.
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That's it. Just give it a little tug there to set the hook.

treestar (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-10 06:07 PM
Response to Original message
6. IMO 911 was their chance. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9500733#9501092)

fortunately they blew it, or there is basic innate sense in a slight majority of voters.

If they couldn't do it then, they're screwed.
mindcough (14 posts) Sat Nov-06-10 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. 911 still scares the FUCK out of me

not because of oh noes, Muslim witches!, but because it truly shows what a corrupt govt is capable of doing in a time of panic. If anything I'd say Bush's regime was closer to Nazis than the TEA party will ever be. It takes some true Elites to pull off something like 911.
alanquatermass (100 posts) Sat Nov-06-10 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. "Pull off 9/11..."?

This is only my third day at DU so forgive me for being a bit slow on the uptake... Are you suggesting that Bush and Cheney and Co. engineered the attacks on 9/11?He's struck gold! 9/11 gets 'em going every time!
treestar (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-10 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Not necessarily, but it and the Reichstag fire were used

to justify policies. Get the nation in a panic and willing to have the Patriot Act. Remember it contained many provisions politically impossible before. Bushco didn't have to cause it for that. Once is happened, they used it diligently.

Though there is IIRR some information that Hitler may have caused the Reichstag fire. In order to have something to use. Out of which is born the idea 911 was something Bushco caused, because they used it to such advantage.
riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-10 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Oh boy...

I'll answer and hope you get to see my result because it will be moved or deleted asap. There's a sizeable contingent of DUers who believe that 9/11 was either a case of MIHOP (made it happen on purpose) or LIHOP (let it happen on purpose).

Both theories are verboten to be discussed on DU since it's considered a conspiracy theory.

But virtually everyone has a position either as a MIHOPper, or a LIHOPper.... Not too many here believe it was simply a random terrorist attack unforeseen and unknown before it happened.
alanquatermass (100 posts) Sat Nov-06-10 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Wow. So "virtually everyone" here at DU believes...

-- that the Republicans either engineered the attack or allowed it to happen? Jesus. I guess I must be in the "blissfully naive" camp, as I have always taken the official story as reported in the MSM at face value, which is that Muslim radicals caught us unawares.

Maybe I was wrong. Which one do YOU believe?

riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-10 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. MIHOP. IBTL. ntCareful! Play it cool. No sudden movements or you'll scare it off.
alanquatermass (100 posts) Sat Nov-06-10 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Holy crap! Well, if that's really true...

-- then that is maybe the scariest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life. (And I thought the gov't killing JFK was bad!)

I am practically speechless here. Good thing my keypad is working (LOL!)

Okay, well, first of all...who engineered the attack? Dubya? That creepizoid Dick Cheney? Both of them? Were the explosives already in the towers? And who, exactly, was flying those airplanes?

And just as importantly (and please forgive my ignorance here, Storm): Why would Osama Bin Ladin claim responsibility for something carried out by the U.S?

Forget JFK, Oliver Stone needs to make a movie about 9/11. (Oh, that's right, he already did -- sort of -- but it was crappy, gov't approved propoganda)

This shit is WILD, homes!And he sticks it for a perfect 10! Toss in a JFK conspiracy already believed, and finish off with the flourish of some street language to gain a little cred. Absolutely perfect!
riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-10 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. First off, welcome to DU

So to answer your questions:

1. Who engineered the attack? IMHO, there really is a creepy terrorist organization named "Al Qaeda". They were a CIA funded, backed, trained group in Afghanistan for decades. Osama Bin Ladin was one of our friends, allies and organizational genius' when we were fighting the Soviets by proxy in Afghanistan. They had a real grievance with the US especially, the "west" amorphously when we pulled out and left them high and dry, plus a plethora of other issues both left over from colonialism and other shit (western forces in KSA, exploitation of oil resources, cozying up to thugs in order to gain oil concessions etc.) Bottom line: the US knew about, funded and basically handled this group for many, many years so we "knew" them - especially the GW Bush group.

2. Were explosives already in the towers? A matter of dispute. I don't doubt that GW Bush and thugs knew about the 19 hijackers who actually organized and perpetrated the attack on the main towers, but how far the conspiracy goes as it extends to the other buildings - I don't know.

3. Who flew the airplanes? The people we knew about. That's not a secret.

4. Why does OBL claim responsibility? Because it makes him much more powerful as a jihadi against the "west". Originally his goals were aimed at the KSA royal family but he's branched out and his 9/11 success (and others) empower him to revolutionary exploits globally. Remember OBL was "our guy" for most of his life. Our goals were his goals.

I'm actually pretty shocked this subthread and my responses have remained up for as long as they have. Please know they will be deleted soon. This is considered conspiracy stuff but Condoleeza Rice's testimony, combined with Richard Clarke's testimony is incredibly persuasive that this government absolutely knew ahead of time that this was coming, and even more so, are complicit.

Good luck on your journey towards the light.
alanquatermass (100 posts) Sun Nov-07-10 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #20
25. Thanks, Storm! That was beautifully written and --

-- provides a lot for a "newbie" like me to think about! Talk soon! AlanAnd, a perfect dismount. Well done!

BDMcGee
11-08-2010, 05:17 PM
OK, that's a work of art.

AmPat
11-08-2010, 05:45 PM
Hey lurking morons. I challenge this moron to prove the hate he projects on others. What proof does this imbecile have. Now run on over to the cesspool and tell this idiot to come on over and prove his idiocy.



alanquatermass (100 posts) Sat Nov-06-10 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. From one Alan to another...

-- I have to say that I couldn't agree with you more.

I cannot believe that the kind of racist hatemongering FILTH being spewed by the likes of Palin, Beck and Hannity is even LEGAL, let alone being tolerated by the masses.

I think Barack Obama needs to find a way to stop them -- some legal pretext (like the Fairness Doctrine?) for shutting these racists DOWN.

SarasotaRepub
11-08-2010, 06:31 PM
Nice find Adam! :D

Dan D. Doty
11-08-2010, 10:46 PM
Hey lurking morons. I challenge this moron to prove the hate he projects on others. What proof does this imbecile have. Now run on over to the cesspool and tell this idiot to come on over and prove his idiocy.

AmPat, don't hold your breath.

I haven't seen a Moonbat yet with big enough balls to debate anyone except an empty chair.

FDK
11-09-2010, 08:43 AM
Opinions, please -- is the Tea Party a true fascist movement that ultimately seeks total control of society

Let me get this striaght, the Tea Party that seeks a smaller government and smaller government role in our lives seeks total control of society? This can only come from the "mind" of a DUmmie.

ralph wiggum
11-09-2010, 09:28 AM
I cannot believe that the kind of racist hatemongering FILTH being spewed by the likes of Palin, Beck and Hannity is even LEGAL, let alone being tolerated by the masses.

I bet the ACLU would feel differently, jackass. That pesky free-speech thing. They stand up when you at the DUmp blamed Bush for causing the hurricane to hit New Orleans, creating tsunamis, caused general chaos...all unfounded crap. Not to mention the outright hatred YOU have for anything to the right of your views.

There's nothing even remotely racist that Palin/Beck/Hannity have said anyway.

3rd-try
11-12-2010, 09:09 PM
Let me get this striaght, the Tea Party that seeks a smaller government and smaller government role in our lives seeks total control of society? This can only come from the "mind" of a DUmmie.

Yea, them baggers is sneaky as all hell...