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djones520
11-11-2010, 09:04 AM
unhappycamper (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-09-10 07:48 AM
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Study: Kids of deployed military have more behavioral problems


Research shows that children of enlisted Army soldiers are more likely to suffer maltreatment when a parent is away in combat, and Army wives are more likely to be diagnosed with depression.


Study: Kids of deployed military have more behavioral problems
By Liz Szabo, USA TODAY

A new study suggests nine years of war is taking a toll on U.S. children.

Children of active-duty military personnel make 18% more trips to the doctor for behavioral problems and 19% more visits for stress disorders when a military parent is deployed compared with when the parent is home, according to a study of children ages 3 to 8 in today's Pediatrics.

Those increases are even more striking given that the overall number of doctors' visits declined 11% during deployment, perhaps because the lone parent at home was so busy, says study author Gregory Gorman, who analyzed the medical records of nearly 643,000 children and 443,000 parents from 2006 to 2007.

Gorman, a pediatrician with the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., says military doctors are usually aware of the burden on such children, but he hopes more civilian doctors, who care for two-thirds of kids in military families, will find out if a parent is deployed and ask how families are coping.

Research shows that kids of enlisted Army soldiers are more likely to suffer maltreatment when a parent is in combat and that Army wives are more likely to be diagnosed with depression, anxiety, sleep disorders or other mental health conditions when their husbands are deployed.


Opening thread by the new moderator who posts tons of "bad" stories about the military.


Bragi (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-09-10 07:55 AM
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2. Going to war is a form of child abuse
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 07:55 AM by Bragi
Seriously, what is a parent of young children thinking when they voluntarily decide to sign up for a job that will take them away on dangerous foreign missions while their families are left behind to spend every day worrying about their absent loved one?

And what are we as a society thinking when we make an effort to target for recruitment people who are parents of young children for service in our unending stream of aggressive occupations and shooting wars?

I don't know what others call it when someone leaves their children to worry every hour of every day about whether their parent will survive the day, but I know what I call it: it's a form of child abuse.


Hey, Bragi. FUCK YOU! I'm a child of a father who voluntarily enlisted, and spent more then 6 months in the Persian Gulf during Op. Desert Shield/Storm, a year in Korea, and probably more then a year combined of other TDY's.

You want to know what effect it had on me? NONE! Because my father made sure that the time he was home was good, and fulfilling.

Now I'm deployed, with my child at home, and I will not listen to some worthless sack of shit like you telling me that I am abusing my son.


Bragi (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-09-10 08:08 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. It's still child abuse
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 08:11 AM by Bragi
You make a good point that many people with small children go into the military because they lack any other opportunity. I regret that this is indeed the case. However, the end result is still a form of child abuse.

I'd just like us to call it what it is. If this doesn't shame us into deciding that our wars and our bloated military are unacceptable, then it is our shame. The children of soldiers who are among the victims of our wars still suffer abuse.

For my part, I think it takes more guts for parents to refuse to be sucked into the military than it does to join up and let your kids suffer the consequences.


No it's not, you dumb fucking ****.


13. I'm mostly unemployed
I find part time work from time-to-time but it is very slow and has been for a couple of years.

I would re-enlist in a heartbeat if I could.



Bragi (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-09-10 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #13
16. And if you have children...
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 09:01 AM by Bragi
They would suffer in consequence of your decision to re-enlist.

To be clear, they would also suffer adverse consequences from being raised in a low income household. But I think that if you left it to your loved ones to decide which they might dread most -- being low income, or worrying every day about your safety and your life -- then they may well choose to do without a few things they'd like to have, rather than risk worrying about, and maybe facing, life without you forever.



Bragi (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-09-10 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. We could be honest with them about their choices
I think we could be honest with parents who show up to enlist by making it clear that a decision to enlist will most likely be harmful to the mental health of their children and their spouses.

In other words, we could be honest with them about the impact of their decision on their loved ones.

I think one way of doing this would be for some of the peace groups to start talking openly and honestly about this aspect of our growing "neo-warrior" culture.

Far as I can tell, most people, including people who openly advocate peace, are afraid to speak the truth about this.


You think we don't fucking know? I know exactly what my choices where when I decided to enlist. I knew what my choices where when I decided to get married, and I knew what my choices where when I decided to have children.

But what the fuck do you know?

My son is absolutely fine. He's growing up just as he should be, because he knows he has a father who loves him, and supports him, and even though he's not there now, he will be. He's also (or will be, when he's old enough to understand the concept) learning that there are things more important that himself. He's learning that sometimes things have to be put before others. And he'll be learning to make the best of what he can with what he has.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9518793

And I stopped here, because this wanker just really ruined the wonderful mood I had today.

ralph wiggum
11-11-2010, 09:23 AM
Don't let it get you down, djones. The DUmmy is too ignorant to realize the importance of your service and the sacrifices you and your family makes.

AmPat
11-11-2010, 09:35 AM
Horror of horrors; my children have problems. They have problems just like all the other children of non military children. I too was the child of a military officer and had problems too. After 24 years of service, I still have problems.
Deal with it.

Apocalypse
11-11-2010, 09:37 AM
I look at it like this. If the States are ever invaded. These Dumbasses will be in-front of out troops marching to the enemy brandishing their "Strongly" worded signs condemning the aggressions being made. The enemy invaders will waste a lot of time and ammo on them, and not our real heroes.

Odysseus
11-11-2010, 10:04 AM
Don't let these clowns get to you. The don't care about your kids, much less you.

We all know that deployments are tough on families, especially kids, but we also know that if we don't deploy, the future that they inherit will be worse. We're sacrificing now so that they won't have to live in fear later. That's what these idiots don't get. And the line about claiming that it takes more courage not to enlist is just a justification of cowardice.

Zafod
11-11-2010, 01:27 PM
Opening thread by the new moderator who posts tons of "bad" stories about the military.



Hey, Bragi. FUCK YOU! I'm a child of a father who voluntarily enlisted, and spent more then 6 months in the Persian Gulf during Op. Desert Shield/Storm, a year in Korea, and probably more then a year combined of other TDY's.

You want to know what effect it had on me? NONE! Because my father made sure that the time he was home was good, and fulfilling.

Now I'm deployed, with my child at home, and I will not listen to some worthless sack of shit like you telling me that I am abusing my son.



No it's not, you dumb fucking ****.







You think we don't fucking know? I know exactly what my choices where when I decided to enlist. I knew what my choices where when I decided to get married, and I knew what my choices where when I decided to have children.

But what the fuck do you know?

My son is absolutely fine. He's growing up just as he should be, because he knows he has a father who loves him, and supports him, and even though he's not there now, he will be. He's also (or will be, when he's old enough to understand the concept) learning that there are things more important that himself. He's learning that sometimes things have to be put before others. And he'll be learning to make the best of what he can with what he has.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9518793

And I stopped here, because this wanker just really ruined the wonderful mood I had today.

hooah bro

Phillygirl
11-11-2010, 01:32 PM
I'll take an absentee father because of deployment any day of the week over an absentee father because mom and dad never bothered to have a commitment to each other strong enough to overcome their drinking, drugs, or regular Friday night fights. In one case there is usually some morality and honor imparted to the children, including the reason for the absenteeism.

Gingersnap
11-11-2010, 02:41 PM
I'll take an absentee father because of deployment any day of the week over an absentee father because mom and dad never bothered to have a commitment to each other strong enough to overcome their drinking, drugs, or regular Friday night fights. In one case there is usually some morality and honor imparted to the children, including the reason for the absenteeism.

Yes, let's compare married parents in stable work/social environments and their kids and put them up against fatherless children, the children of divorce, children shoehorned into step-families or worse yet, children forced to interact with their parents' various lovers and see what we come up with. :rolleyes:

fettpett
11-11-2010, 02:54 PM
I'll take an absentee father because of deployment any day of the week over an absentee father because mom and dad never bothered to have a commitment to each other strong enough to overcome their drinking, drugs, or regular Friday night fights. In one case there is usually some morality and honor imparted to the children, including the reason for the absenteeism.

completely agree.

Phillygirl
11-11-2010, 03:06 PM
Yes, let's compare married parents in stable work/social environments and their kids and put them up against fatherless children, the children of divorce, children shoehorned into step-families or worse yet, children forced to interact with their parents' various lovers and see what we come up with. :rolleyes:

So far I've gotten a porsche and a pretty good start on retirement. :D

ColonialMarine0431
11-11-2010, 03:21 PM
Yep. These kids look abused and disfunctional to me..

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/USMC/HQ_USMC_ID_7013.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/USMC/HQ_USMC_ID_7014.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/USMC/HQ_USMC_ID_7011.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/USMC/HQ-USMC_ID7012.jpg

Odysseus
11-11-2010, 03:28 PM
So far I've gotten a porsche and a pretty good start on retirement. :D

That's like the joke about the priest hearing confession for the first time. He's been given a list of sins and penances by the older priest, Father Joseph, and spends the after noon going down the list and assigning the penances to the sins. Eventually, a sweet young thing walks into the confessional and begins her confession and gets to the admission that she had oral sex with her boyfriend. The young priest goes down the list but can't find oral sex on it, and he starts to panic. He opens the door and looks for Father Joseph, but all he sees is an altar boy, so he asks him if the older priest is around. "No, Father, he's left for the day."
"Oh," Said the younger priest, who is now desperate. "What would Father Joe give for oral sex?" he asked himself out loud.
"That's easy, Father!" Said the altar boy. "Two Snickers bars and a ride in his car!"

NJCardFan
11-11-2010, 03:41 PM
I got news for them. Children of crack users and other drug users have even bigger behavioral problems. Children of gang members have behavior problems.

movie buff
11-11-2010, 04:03 PM
I look at it like this. If the States are ever invaded. These Dumbasses will be in-front of out troops marching to the enemy brandishing their "Strongly" worded signs condemning the aggressions being made. The enemy invaders will waste a lot of time and ammo on them, and not our real heroes.

I can think of two possible ideas for how the DUmmies and similar scum would react to an invading army, largely depending on the political affiliation of the invading army:
1. What you said, they put up lame protests and cause the enemy to waste time and ammo on them.
2. They work together with/ ally themselves with the invading force in the interests of killing "Evil capitalist oppressor Amerikkkan conservative fundies," basically acting as modern- day, American versions of the Vichy French.

Dan D. Doty
11-11-2010, 04:38 PM
I got news for them. Children of crack users and other drug users have even bigger behavioral problems. Children of gang members have behavior problems.

NJ, Moonbats like drug users and criminals, but they hate the Military; that's the difference.

Odysseus
11-11-2010, 05:01 PM
I can think of two possible ideas for how the DUmmies and similar scum would react to an invading army, largely depending on the political affiliation of the invading army:
1. What you said, they put up lame protests and cause the enemy to waste time and ammo on them.
2. They work together with/ ally themselves with the invading force in the interests of killing "Evil capitalist oppressor Amerikkkan conservative fundies," basically acting as modern- day, American versions of the Vichy French.

More like the Norwegian Quislings.

Beefeater
11-11-2010, 05:02 PM
Just saw a headline about some MORON calling himself lil wayne, I wonder how his 5 or six kids with 5 or six different women are doing?

Bailey
11-11-2010, 05:39 PM
Everything that befalls this country can be tied to single motherhood. Drugs, crime and out of wedlock births. Bar none. Not deployed parents.


Look up the statistics if you think I am wrong.

CueSi
11-11-2010, 05:55 PM
Yep. These kids look abused and disfunctional to me..

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/USMC/HQ_USMC_ID_7013.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/USMC/HQ_USMC_ID_7014.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/USMC/HQ_USMC_ID_7011.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/USMC/HQ-USMC_ID7012.jpg

Are those yours, Colonial? They're precious.

~QC

Bleda
11-14-2010, 03:59 PM
Are those yours, Colonial? They're precious.

~QC

They're beautiful. Brightened up my day.

ColonialMarine0431
11-14-2010, 04:03 PM
They're not mine. Sadly I don't have any children yet. Gotta find a wife first.:D

CueSi
11-14-2010, 08:53 PM
They're not mine. Sadly I don't have any children yet. Gotta find a wife first.:D

I'd volunteer... but ...yeah. :p

~QC

noonwitch
11-16-2010, 09:48 AM
Horror of horrors; my children have problems. They have problems just like all the other children of non military children. I too was the child of a military officer and had problems too. After 24 years of service, I still have problems.
Deal with it.



Army brats, preacher's kids, etc. I would like to see how they are defining behavior problems.

Lots of kids move around a lot in their childhoods for different reasons. That is why "army brats" and preacher's kids tend to have some of the behavior problems that get picked up-they are insecure about having to start a new school every couple of years and having to meet all new kids. It's not really any big mystery, and the behavior problems are generally not really extreme. But despite frequent moves, their family still remains the same and they have that level of security at home.

Everyone knows it's our kids (foster kids) who have the most trouble, because they get moved all the time and not just change schools but also change families regularly.

AmPat
11-16-2010, 11:14 AM
Army brats, preacher's kids, etc. I would like to see how they are defining behavior problems.

Lots of kids move around a lot in their childhoods for different reasons. That is why "army brats" and preacher's kids tend to have some of the behavior problems that get picked up-they are insecure about having to start a new school every couple of years and having to meet all new kids. It's not really any big mystery, and the behavior problems are generally not really extreme. But despite frequent moves, their family still remains the same and they have that level of security at home.

Everyone knows it's our kids (foster kids) who have the most trouble, because they get moved all the time and not just change schools but also change families regularly.
True. I changed schools on average every two years. One school year I had three different schools. Each time I started in a new school, I could count on a three fight series with the local tough guys to establish or prove the pecking order.:cool:

Odysseus
11-16-2010, 03:37 PM
I'd volunteer... but ...yeah. :p

~QC


They're not mine. Sadly I don't have any children yet. Gotta find a wife first.:D

See above. Take her up on it before she changes her mind! :D

ColonialMarine0431
11-16-2010, 04:04 PM
See above. Take her up on it before she changes her mind! :D

Flirt!:D

AmPat
11-16-2010, 04:06 PM
Flirt!:D

Dude, she's hawt, she knows her way around a pole, and your fetish won't surprise her.

Cue Si envy.:o

ColonialMarine0431
11-16-2010, 04:21 PM
Dude, she's hawt, she knows her way around a pole, and your fetish won't surprise her.

Cue Si envy.:o

Fetish? You mean she'll dress me up like Little Bo Peep and spank me? :D:D

AmPat
11-16-2010, 04:52 PM
Fetish? You mean she'll dress me up like Little Bo Peep and spank me? :D:D

Wei Wei????:confused:

Odysseus
11-16-2010, 06:38 PM
Fetish? You mean she'll dress me up like Little Bo Peep and spank me? :D:D

If she has a wooly jumper, as my wife would say. :D
She may even pull the wool over your eyes.