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Gingersnap
11-12-2010, 10:04 AM
Muslim Group Advises Women Wearing Hijabs to Allow TSA ‘Enhanced Pat Downs’ Only on Head and Neck Area

Friday, November 12, 2010
By Penny Starr


(CNSNews.com) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has issued a travel warning to Muslim airline passengers on U.S. aircraft in response to the Transportation Safety Administration’s "enhanced pat down" policy that went into effect in late October.

CAIR said Muslims who object to full-body scans for religious reasons should know their rights if they are required to undergo a pat-down, including asking for the procedure to be done in a private place. In addition, CAIR offered a “special recommendation” for Muslim women who wear a hijab, telling them they should tell the TSA officer that they may be searched only around the head and neck.

In the “special recommendations for Muslim women who wear hijab,” it states: “Before you are patted down, you should remind the TSA officer that they are only supposed to pat down the area in question, in this scenario, your head and neck. They SHOULD NOT subject you to a full-body or partial-body pat-down.”

It also states: “Instead of the pat-down, you can always request to pat down your own scarf, including head and neck area, and have the officers perform a chemical swipe of your hands.”

If this works, we should all wear them.

CNS (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/muslim-group-advises-women-wearing-hijab)

linda22003
11-12-2010, 01:04 PM
And you can always drive or take the bus to your destination.

SaintLouieWoman
11-12-2010, 01:26 PM
And you can always drive or take the bus to your destination.

Exactly. If I have to endure those patdowns because I had knee surgery, they can also comply. I can imagine an army of potential bombers wearing those hijabs with the explosives underneath.

I hate political correctness and special exemptions.

PoliCon
11-13-2010, 08:22 AM
Muslim Group Advises Women Wearing Hijabs to Allow TSA ‘Enhanced Pat Downs’ Only on Head and Neck Area.

riday, November 12, 2010
By Penny Starr

(CNSNews.com) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has issued a travel warning to Muslim airline passengers on U.S. aircraft in response to the Transportation Safety Administration’s "enhanced pat down" policy that went into effect in late October.

CAIR said Muslims who object to full-body scans for religious reasons should know their rights if they are required to undergo a pat-down, including asking for the procedure to be done in a private place. In addition, CAIR offered a “special recommendation” for Muslim women who wear a hijab, telling them they should tell the TSA officer that they may be searched only around the head and neck.

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In the “special recommendations for Muslim women who wear hijab,” it states: “Before you are patted down, you should remind the TSA officer that they are only supposed to pat down the area in question, in this scenario, your head and neck. They SHOULD NOT subject you to a full-body or partial-body pat-down.”

It also states: “Instead of the pat-down, you can always request to pat down your own scarf, including head and neck area, and have the officers perform a chemical swipe of your hands.”

The new TSA pat-downs involving “head-to-toe” screening techniques follow recent airliner bombing attempts. Passengers who reject a full-body scan or who are selected for secondary screening may be searched using the enhanced pat-down.

“Pat downs are one important tool to help TSA detect hidden and dangerous items such as explosives,” a TSA statement issued on Oct. 28 stated. “Passengers should continue to expect an unpredictable mix of security layers that include explosives trace detection, advanced imaging technology, canine teams, among others.”

Posted on its Web site under “TSA’s Head-to-Toe Screening Policies,” the agency said how people are dressed may lead to closer inspection, including baggy or loose clothing. Those policies also include individuals being searched by a “professional” of the same sex.

“It is TSA's policy that passengers should be screened by an officer of the same gender in a professional, respectful manner,” the policy reads.

In February, the Figh Council of North America, a group of Islamic scholars, issued a fatwa, or religious ruling, that full-body scanners violate Islamic law.

“It is a violation of clear Islamic teaching that men or women be seen naked by other men and women,” the ruling states. “Islam highly emphasizes haya (modesty) and considers it part of the faith. The Qu’ran has commanded the believers, both men and women, to cover their private parts.”

CAIR endorsed the fatwa, according to a Feb. 21 article in the Detroit Free Press.

CAIR's press release on the TSA screening issue was first reported on by the Web site Black&Right.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/muslim-group-advises-women-wearing-hijab

Odysseus
11-13-2010, 09:13 AM
Perahps people who insist on living in the seventh century should confine themselves to the modes of travel available then. Aircraft are a 20th century innovation, not mentioned in the Qur'an, Hadiths or Sunna, so if a Muslim is too devout to comply with the security standards of that innovation, then they are too devout to be flying in the first place. Let them take a camel.

cajunrevenge
11-13-2010, 10:27 AM
Last I checked flying on planes was not a right. Maybe these enhanced pat downs will prevent them from even entering the country in the first place.... or they could just cross the wide open border like 3592650 mexicans do every day.

Odysseus
11-13-2010, 01:35 PM
Wait a minute? Aren't the pat-downs done by people of the same sex? Why would a Muslim woman object to a pat-down search by a female TSA employee?

AmPat
11-13-2010, 02:12 PM
CAIR said Muslims who object to full-body scans for religious reasons should know their rights if they are required to undergo a pat-down, including asking for the procedure to be done in a private place. In addition, CAIR offered a “special recommendation” for Muslim women who wear a hijab, telling them they should tell the TSA officer that they may be searched only around the head and neck.
I'd make a new rule especially for muslims who insisted on special rules. We respect your "right" to head and neck searches only. Please step up to the guillotine for step one of the search procedure.:cool:

Kay
11-13-2010, 02:31 PM
Makes sense to me.
Only the head and neck has been screened for boarding,
then the rest can stay behind on the other side of the security gate.

Odysseus
11-13-2010, 03:24 PM
Makes sense to me.
Only the head and neck has been screened for boarding,
then the rest can stay behind on the other side of the security gate.

And it's not like there's a shortage of Muslims who are willing to lop off heads. Sounds like outreach to me... :D

Teddy Kennedy
11-13-2010, 03:33 PM
Makes sense to me.
Only the head and neck has been screened for boarding,
then the rest can stay behind on the other side of the security gate.

;)Hilarious.

Sonnabend
11-13-2010, 03:59 PM
Perhaps people who insist on living in the third century should confine themselves to the modes of travel available then....and that's being generous.

Madisonian
11-13-2010, 05:01 PM
Seems like the terrorists have won this one.

I never cared about the metal detectors since those were just walk through and as long as you remembered to take all the crap out of your pockets, it did not slow anything up.

But this current crap, which started with taking off shoes and now extends to some minimum wage government employee being able to touch me or make me walk through a scanner that shows me virtually naked has taken this way too far and is blatantly unconstitutional.

What part of
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
does the government not understand.
And yet we continue to mindlessly obey their edicts like good little worker drones.

Someone said that we do not have a right to fly.
Why not? Where is the Federal governments constitutional authority to deny me the ability to enter into a private contact with a company that provides flight services?

Articulate_Ape
11-13-2010, 07:06 PM
Allow me to summarize:

...Muslim nutjobs flying planes into buildings and killing a shitload of people prompting enhanced security on the part of the TSA that nabs those plane-downing nail clippers and asks granny to remove her slippers in order to be fair and not single out the people who, at first look, should be suspect under any definition of common sense, but are now, almost a decade of PC later, the ones who demand and will probably get special exemption from the very procedures put in place to protect us from another attack by Muslim nutjobs flying planes into buildings and killing a shitload of people prompting enhanced security on the part of the TSA that nabs those plane-downing nail clippers and asks granny to remove her slippers in order to be fair and not single out the people who, at first look, should be suspect under any definition of common sense, but are now, almost a decade of PC later, the ones who demand and will probably get special exemption from the very procedures put in place to protect us from another attack by Muslim nutjobs flying planes into buildings and killing a shitload of people prompting enhanced security on the part of the TSA that nabs those plane-downing nail clippers and asks granny to remove her slippers in order to be fair and not single out the people who, at first look, should be suspect under any definition of common sense, but are now, almost a decade of PC later, the ones who demand and will probably get special exemption from the very procedures put in place to protect us from another attack by...

Kay
11-13-2010, 09:34 PM
I don't fly commercial too often. For business travel, I usualy go on one of our
two company planes. It's nice to lounge around the executive waiting area in the
business hanger, eating hors d'oeuvres and perusing the latest copy of the BJT.
Then just walking out the door onto the baby jet without any type of screening
at all. Yes life is good when you work for a big evil oil company. :cool:

AmPat
11-14-2010, 10:53 AM
latest copy of the BJT.?????????????

Odysseus
11-14-2010, 12:59 PM
Allow me to summarize:

...Muslim nutjobs flying planes into buildings and killing a shitload of people prompting enhanced security on the part of the TSA that nabs those plane-downing nail clippers and asks granny to remove her slippers in order to be fair and not single out the people who, at first look, should be suspect under any definition of common sense, but are now, almost a decade of PC later, the ones who demand and will probably get special exemption from the very procedures put in place to protect us from another attack by Muslim nutjobs flying planes into buildings and killing a shitload of people prompting enhanced security on the part of the TSA that nabs those plane-downing nail clippers and asks granny to remove her slippers in order to be fair and not single out the people who, at first look, should be suspect under any definition of common sense, but are now, almost a decade of PC later, the ones who demand and will probably get special exemption from the very procedures put in place to protect us from another attack by Muslim nutjobs flying planes into buildings and killing a shitload of people prompting enhanced security on the part of the TSA that nabs those plane-downing nail clippers and asks granny to remove her slippers in order to be fair and not single out the people who, at first look, should be suspect under any definition of common sense, but are now, almost a decade of PC later, the ones who demand and will probably get special exemption from the very procedures put in place to protect us from another attack by...
Yep. They are adding insult to injury. Gotta love them PC lefties who love irony, but won't grasp this one.

I don't fly commercial too often. For business travel, I usualy go on one of our two company planes. It's nice to lounge around the executive waiting area in the business hanger, eating hors d'oeuvres and perusing the latest copy of the BJT. Then just walking out the door onto the baby jet without any type of screening at all. Yes life is good when you work for a big evil oil company. :cool:

You guys don't fly out of DFW, do you? I'm TDY, coming home just before Thanksgiving, and if your guys aren't doing anything... :D


?????????????
BJT Business Jet Traveler
At least, I'm assuming that that's the one that she means, based on context. It could just as easily be Bipolar Junction Transistor, Blue Jean Teddy, Bilateral Juxtafoveal Telangiectasis or Behineh Jouyan Tehran.

Kay
11-14-2010, 10:23 PM
?????????????

Yes, Business Jet Traveler. It's one of those high gloss magazines with slick ads of nothing but mega-dollar jewelry, yatchs, private jets, presidential hotel suits around the world, etc. Everything very high end (as if I could ever afford such). It has good articles though.

http://www.bjtonline.com/about-bjt/this-publication.html



You guys don't fly out of DFW, do you? I'm TDY, coming home just before Thanksgiving, and if your guys aren't doing anything... :D


Well I'm really just a peon there, otherwise I'd send our plane right over to get you. ;)

We fly out of Midland. Actually, you'd be surprised at the private jet business here. My company keeps theirs at the main airport (MAF). But there is another private airpark here, just right across the street from where I live. My bedroom window looks out over the runway. I never have to set an alarm, as the jets start taking off around 5:30 to 6:00 AM, right in my ear. I love watching them come and go.

Odysseus
11-14-2010, 11:14 PM
Yes, Business Jet Traveler. It's one of those high gloss magazines with slick ads of nothing but mega-dollar jewelry, yatchs, private jets, presidential hotel suits around the world, etc. Everything very high end (as if I could ever afford such). It has good articles though.

http://www.bjtonline.com/about-bjt/this-publication.html

Well I'm really just a peon there, otherwise I'd send our plane right over to get you. ;)

We fly out of Midland. Actually, you'd be surprised at the private business jet business here. My company keeps theirs at the main airport (MAF). But there is another private airpark here, just right across the street from where I live. My bedroom window looks out over the runway. I never have to set an alarm, as the jets start taking off around 5:30 to 6:00 AM, right in my ear. I love watching them come and go.

That's okay. Government personnel shouldn't get used to that kind of perk, even if they are the Speaker of the House. :D But I appreciate the thought.

AmPat
11-15-2010, 01:29 PM
Yes, Business Jet Traveler. It's one of those high gloss magazines with slick ads of nothing but mega-dollar jewelry, yatchs, private jets, presidential hotel suits around the world, etc. Everything very high end (as if I could ever afford such). It has good articles though.

http://www.bjtonline.com/about-bjt/this-publication.html




Well I'm really just a peon there, otherwise I'd send our plane right over to get you. ;)

We fly out of Midland. Actually, you'd be surprised at the private jet business here. My company keeps theirs at the main airport (MAF). But there is another private airpark here, just right across the street from where I live. My bedroom window looks out over the runway. I never have to set an alarm, as the jets start taking off around 5:30 to 6:00 AM, right in my ear. I love watching them come and go.

I'm so relieved, for you. For me, I'm just ashamed. I had a different idea of this publication's name. BJ Times? Too late to change the name?:o

Kay
11-15-2010, 01:41 PM
Typical man....thinking with the wrong head. :p

Odysseus
11-15-2010, 02:40 PM
I'm so relieved, for you. For me, I'm just ashamed. I had a different idea of this publication's name. BJ Times? Too late to change the name?:o

Does Bill Clinton still write for that one?

Kay
11-15-2010, 03:51 PM
Does Bill Clinton still write for that one?

I think he writes for Cigar Aficionado.
Moments To Remember Section.

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/mtr

AmPat
11-15-2010, 04:05 PM
Typical man....thinking with the wrong head. :p

God created me with two heads but only enough blood to run one at a time.

Odysseus
11-15-2010, 05:45 PM
I think he writes for Cigar Aficionado.
Moments To Remember Section.

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/mtr

D'oh! There's a reason that the Secret Service called her "Humidor." :D