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Gingersnap
11-12-2010, 12:51 PM
Miku Hatsune is probably the most popular vocaloid right now. This technology fascinates me. Although the vocaloid's "voice" was sampled from a real human, the range and effects bear no real relation to human vocal parameters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTXO7KGHtjI

Zafod
11-12-2010, 01:15 PM
japs are messed up.

Vocaloid? so they hold pop concerts to watch a virtual computer voiced anime character?

Gingersnap
11-12-2010, 02:47 PM
japs are messed up.

Vocaloid? so they hold pop concerts to watch a virtual computer voiced anime character?

Kind of . The vocaloid can sing in ways that are impossible for humans to duplicate naturally. The vocaloid image is infinitely malleable so any kind of image (not just anime) is possible including photorealistic images.

Vocaloids remove a lot of the "problems" of human performers: they don't get drunk, drugged, old, fat, or join annoying religions, groups, or causes. It's pure entertainment. Right now, it's in its infancy but with better tech, vocaloids could someday compete favorably with human performers. Especially with the way ticket prices are going. ;)

hampshirebrit
11-12-2010, 02:58 PM
Kind of . The vocaloid can sing in ways that are impossible for humans to duplicate naturally. The vocaloid image is infinitely malleable so any kind of image (not just anime) is possible including photorealistic images.

Vocaloids remove a lot of the "problems" of human performers: they don't get drunk, drugged, old, fat, or join annoying religions, groups, or causes. It's pure entertainment. Right now, it's in its infancy but with better tech, vocaloids could someday compete favorably with human performers. Especially with the way ticket prices are going. ;)

Hmmm .... I'm with Zaf on this one. Why anyone would actually pay good money to listen to such cack is beyond me.

Articulate_Ape
11-12-2010, 03:04 PM
japs are messed up.

QFT

One word: Tubgirl

Gingersnap
11-12-2010, 03:18 PM
Hmmm .... I'm with Zaf on this one. Why anyone would actually pay good money to listen to such cack is beyond me.

Well, the music is just typical pop music and quite a lot of people pay good money for that in way or another. The technology can support any music so it can be used for whatever genre you like. I would be fascinated to see this used for opera. It would be possible to recreate the voices of castrati and it would dramatically open up staging possibilities.

megimoo
11-12-2010, 04:17 PM
Well, the music is just typical pop music and quite a lot of people pay good money for that in way or another. The technology can support any music so it can be used for whatever genre you like. I would be fascinated to see this used for opera. It would be possible to recreate the voices of castrati and it would dramatically open up staging possibilities.

The real problem is it isn't a human voice.Music stirs emotions and machines lack that ability .Theremin music is interesting but it's still mechanical sounding. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-ywH1Vj8_U

A virtual robots making sounds imitating humans voices are just that, virtual and not real humans .Would you enjoy a performance of Duettino Sull'aria Le nozze di Figaro " by a machine ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtTCwH2mQTA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd5nFd3utLg

We are able to relate to the human condition in the music when we hear a human voice or the unmistakable sound conveyed by the human musician ,not so a machine .Mozart's music touches us so deeply not by its
perfection of performance so much as it conveys understandable human feelings .Mozart's music speaks to the human soul.

Gingersnap
11-12-2010, 04:35 PM
A virtual robots making sounds imitating humans voices are just that, virtual and not real humans .Would you enjoy a performance of Duettino Sull'aria Le nozze di Figaro " by a machine ?

Yeah, I think I would if the machine was sophisticated enough. I'm interested in this technology because it isn't human. It has possibilities that aren't constrained by human anatomy.

Zafod
11-12-2010, 06:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJB5Rqc1m0Y

Articulate_Ape
11-12-2010, 07:15 PM
The real problem is it isn't a human voice.Music stirs emotions and machines lack that ability .

We are able to relate to the human condition in the music when we hear a human voice or the unmistakable sound conveyed by the human musician ,not so a machine .Mozart's music touches us so deeply not by its
perfection of performance so much as it conveys understandable human feelings .Mozart's music speaks to the human soul.

Spot on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne6tB2KiZuk

Gingersnap
11-12-2010, 07:28 PM
You guys just aren't seeing the potential here or the scope for human musicianship. This is not a program executed by AI for the purposes of conforming to a sterile programming exercise. This is a new musical tool.

Hundreds of years ago, you were the same guys complaining that keyboard instruments "had too many notes" and put lute players on the unemployment lines. :rolleyes:


:p

Articulate_Ape
11-12-2010, 07:38 PM
You guys just aren't seeing the potential here or the scope for human musicianship. This is not a program executed by AI for the purposes of conforming to a sterile programming exercise. This is a new musical tool.

Hundreds of years ago, you were the same guys complaining that keyboard instruments "had too many notes" and put lute players on the unemployment lines. :rolleyes:


:p

Yes, much like the calculator that has people unable to do long division and spell-checker that has people unable to spell correctly without it and cell phone texting that has people forgetting how to speak their native tongue. Yeah, this can only be good for music. :rolleyes:

hampshirebrit
11-12-2010, 07:40 PM
You guys just aren't seeing the potential here or the scope for human musicianship. This is not a program executed by AI for the purposes of conforming to a sterile programming exercise. This is a new musical tool.

Hundreds of years ago, you were the same guys complaining that keyboard instruments "had too many notes" and put lute players on the unemployment lines. :rolleyes:


:p

Sorry, Ginger, but this is one of the rare occasions I will agree with Megi on something. It's usually recipes, but on this issue too, he is spot on. You can't compare this shlock with Mozart.

The sounds made by the cat and fox population during the summer months in these parts have more musical integrity than this fad rubbish.

Gingersnap
11-12-2010, 07:45 PM
The sounds made by the cat and fox population during the summer months in these parts have more musical integrity than this fad rubbish.

Next you'll be yelling at me to get off your lawn. :p

Articulate_Ape
11-12-2010, 07:52 PM
If you want to see the promise of tomorrow's music, I give you Jonathan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6sfJyD1Ljo


I know, it looks like just a cute kid grooving to Brahms with a chopstick in his hand, but if you know anything about the conducting of a classical orchestra, then you will see it and shit bricks.

Rockntractor
11-12-2010, 07:55 PM
Ginger is actually a highly sophisticated robot!:eek:

Gingersnap
11-12-2010, 08:06 PM
Ginger is actually a highly sophisticated robot!:eek:

If Ginger was a highly sophisticated robot, she would have already deleted you from her program. :p

hampshirebrit
11-12-2010, 09:03 PM
Next you'll be yelling at me to get off your lawn. :p

Ooops. Missed my own fox reference there. :D You know what I mean though.

Articulate_Ape
11-12-2010, 10:00 PM
If Ginger was a highly sophisticated robot, she would have already deleted you from her program. :p


Sing something for us. :p

Gingersnap
11-12-2010, 10:11 PM
Sing something for us. :p

How about that old favorite, "18 Posts On New Tech And Not One For An Actual Dead Composer"? ;)

Rockntractor
11-12-2010, 10:20 PM
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/tumblr_kybo9qa8vK1qz6f9yo1_500.jpg?t=1289618378

Articulate_Ape
11-13-2010, 12:21 AM
Hahahahahahaha! :D

Articulate_Ape
11-13-2010, 12:23 AM
How about that old favorite, "18 Posts On New Tech And Not One For An Actual Dead Composer"? ;)

That would make him a decomposer, would it not? ;)

patriot45
11-13-2010, 12:32 AM
Miku Hatsune is probably the most popular vocaloid right now. This technology fascinates me. Although the vocaloid's "voice" was sampled from a real human, the range and effects bear no real relation to human vocal parameters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTXO7KGHtjI

I listen to everything. This has merits. But old school rules!:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x05BUoXCXjM