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Adam Wood
11-15-2010, 12:41 PM
Someone Asked me Why I Hate my Country (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9559428)

The question was meant to be facetious, not insulting. But still, it caused me think about the issue – what it means “to hate” or “to love one’s country”.

It is an issue on which the elites who control our country – our elected politicians, as well as those who pay them to do their bidding – place a great deal of emphasis. More specifically, they use it to marginalize those who disagree with how our country is run.

These are the elites who refer to those who express opinions against the wars that they generate or support as “unpatriotic” or “treasonous”. They are the people who use the term “class warfare” to attack those who believe that the wealthy should pay their fair share of taxes, commensurate with what their country does for them. They are those who use the epithet “socialist” to describe anyone who believes that government should play an active role in providing opportunities for the most vulnerable of our citizens. They coined the term “loony conspiracy theorist” to describe anyone who expresses serious disagreement with their own version of history. They wield the term “big government” to express their ideology that only private individuals and corporations are capable of making contributions to society, thereby advancing the argument that the government that governs least is the government that governs best. They use the term “bleeding heart liberal” to describe anyone who expresses empathy for the unfortunate.


The United States exhibits the greatest level of income inequality of any of the rich nations of the world. Consequently, as of 2007 a study showed that more than a third of the wealth in the United States was held by the top 1% of households, while about 15% was held by the lower 80%.

Income inequality in the United States plunged during the 1930s with the onset of FDR’s New Deal. It then remained quite low for several decades, until the beginning of Ronald Reagan’s Presidency. It then began a precipitous climb, with a sharp decline beginning during the last year of Clinton’s Presidency, but then another sharp increase beginning at about the time that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy first went into effect, so that by the end of 2006 we exceeded even the peak ratio of 1929 that preceded the Great Depression.

Epidemiologists Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett demonstrate in their book, “The Spirit Level – Why Greater Equality Makes Societies Stronger”, numerous non-economic consequences of obscene income inequality that are independent of absolute income or wealth. These consequences include more mental illness, greater use of illegal drugs, higher imprisonment rate, higher infant mortality rate, more homicides, lower educational performance of our children, lower index of child well-being, lower trust in our fellow citizens, and lower status of women, among other adverse societal effects.

A nation’s level of income and wealth inequality is largely a product of its laws and policies. A high level of national income and wealth inequality generally means that its elites have been successful in arranging its laws and policies to enhance their own wealth and power at the expense of everyone else.
Good grief! You can't make this shit up.

Read the whole, long, irrational screed.

"I don't know why anyone would say that I hate my country. I just hate everything about my country, that's all."

What a pathetic life these people lead. Sheesh.

Wei Wu Wei
11-15-2010, 01:08 PM
I’ve said before that the question of “loving your country” is so abstract as to be almost meaningless. What does it mean? Does it mean loving the laws and policies on which your country is based? Does it mean loving your country’s leaders? Does it mean loving most or all of your country’s citizens? Does it mean loving the physical geography of your country?

It can mean any or all of those things, and more. In my own personal view, loving or hating your country means above all loving or hating what your country does. What your country does is determined largely by its leaders. But all of us deserve at least some part of the credit or blame because to varying degrees we all support or enable what our country does, or we take various measures to cause it to follow a different path.

you snipped that, seems important, do you disagree with this much?

He goes on to list specific things done by our country('s leaders) which he hates.

Of those things, are any of them non-factual?

If not, do you disagree? Do you love those things your country does?

Just curious

11-15-2010, 01:13 PM
I say DEATH TO GEORGE SOROS because he has more money than I do, and he doesn't produce any products, or mow his own lawn, or cook his own food.........jeeze http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/images/smilies/puke.gif

11-15-2010, 02:21 PM
you snipped that, seems important, do you disagree with this much?

He goes on to list specific things done by our country('s leaders) which he hates.

Of those things, are any of them non-factual?

If not, do you disagree? Do you love those things your country does?

Just curious

Ok curious. Are you better off now than you were two years ago?
Is the country better off now than two years ago?
What other country gives you the opportunity afforded in this country that liberals cannot seem to love and desire so badly to change?
Reagan had the greatest impact and the longest period of economic growth. Was that better than his predecessor?
GW Bush presided over a country that had growth, prosperity, and the lowest unemployment rate in the history of the country. How's O Blah Blah match up?

Why don't you liberals love your country? And spare us your false misunderstanding of what that means. You well know as the idiot poster knows what it means. You just aren't comfortable with your answers.

Adam Wood
11-15-2010, 03:26 PM
you snipped that, seems important, do you disagree with this much?No, it's not really important, other than that it shows that Captain Moonbat here has his life so completely wrapped up in his/her envy-based politics that he/she can't even take their head out of their ass long enough to have some sense of patriotism or pride or even thankfulness for living in the most free nation on the planet.

He goes on to list specific things done by our country('s leaders) which he hates.No s/he doesn't. S/He goes on to list a bunch of idiotic moonbat rants about how there's not cosmic sameness in the United States. S/He has obviously not bothered to read the Constitution nor pay attention in basic civics classes, both of which clearly tell everyone that they have the opportunity to go out and excel on their own, but there is no guarantee of success, certainly not at everyone else's expense.

Of those things, are any of them non-factual?The entirety of the Global Warming Alarmist Cult is non-factual, so the claim about how much the US is causing the world to burn itself into a cinder is complete and total bullshit. The claim about widespread torture is also a bald-faced lie, as is the "war crimes" claim. And this silly belief in "international law," which does not exist, is certainly non-factual.

The rest of these "facts" are meaningless. "Income inequality" is nothing but an envy-based rationalization for Leftist feel-goodism and attempts to create cosmic sameness by using the force of government to re-distribute wealth to themselves when they didn't earn that wealth. The "money in politics" screed is meaningless. There's money in politics everywhere in the world; that's hardly unique to the United States. "Rampant militarism" is a ludicrous whine. When moonbat there decides that it's OK if we don't protect the whole of Canada and Europe, then the "rampant militarism" will dry up, along with all those jobs.

If not, do you disagree? Do you love those things your country does?
I love all sorts of things my country does. I love that, despite the Democrat's most recent assaults on liberty, this is still, for the most part, a nation that will allow people to determine their own success. I love that my country has selflessly expended tremendous amounts of both blood and treasure to allow others around the world to enjoy the same kinds of freedoms that we have here and to be freed from oppression. I love that a kid can build something in his garage and literally not only become one of the wealthiest people in the world but also start a worldwide transformation of how people live and communicate, employing tens of millions of people in this country and others and dramatically raising the standard of living for people all over the planet. I love that I don't have to get permission from the government to go out and see and experience the country's natural wonders, nor do I have to get their permission to leave this country if I decide I don't like it here.