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SarasotaRepub
11-20-2010, 12:23 PM
:rolleyes: As I've said before, find an anti-American article and you're bound to see it on DU... (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9596273)




marmar (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-20-10 09:49 AM
Original message "I say let the U.S. economy collapse. Itís not serving us anyway."


Published on Friday, November 19, 2010 by CommonDreams.org
Let's Build the New Economy

by Joe Brewer


We need to build a new economy, one that promotes widespread prosperity while protecting us against ecological disaster. The problem is that the current economy has been structured explicitly to extract wealth from the global commons and accumulate it in the coffers of an extremely powerful elite. And it is standing in our way.

I say let the U.S. economy collapse. Itís not serving us anyway. Now before you go off and think Iím just a heretic who hates this country, please hear me out.

The current economy is designed to:

* Encourage widespread home ownership, which straps people to a lifetime of mortgage debt;
* Mandate that health care only be provided through employers, which enslaves people to meaningless jobs they donít like;
* Grow perpetually, which means that natural resources must be depleted to keep the gears turning;
* Accumulate wealth in the hands of those who control capital, which drives a wedge between the haves and the have-nots;
* Drive the creation of sweat shops all over the world that enslave billions in a cycle of perpetual poverty;
* Allow corporations to co-opt our democracy, by granting them the rights of legal personhood and defining money as speech;
* Ultimately destroy the foundations of human well-being, thus spiraling deregulated markets out of control.

As a result, we are seeing massive growth of public debt while a small portion of the population becomes more wealthy than the monarchs of past ages. These billionaires then build incredibly sophisticated propaganda machines to convince everyday citizens to support their exploitative system. ...........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/19-1



Commondreams...:rolleyes: Now to be fair we have some on the thread who have enough brains to disagree. And then we have the moron Mika...




Mika (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-20-10 10:32 AM
Response to Original message (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9596273#9596273)

14. Makes checking out Latin America's socialist Bolivarian movement more worthy. Edited on Sat Nov-20-10 10:33 AM by Mika
Cuba started the LatAm/Caribbean anti imperialist/corporatist ball rolling some 50 years ago.

Cubans had the face the austerity of the Soviet collapse - in the early 90's, which meant the loss of their primary trading partner and supplier of oil.

Now Cuba is doing well. Albeit a poor nation, and under the US's extra territorial embargo, but their social infrastructure is world class. The Latin Americas are looking at Cuba's successes and are building upon them, in full partnership with the Cuban government and the Cuban people.

Especially in these times, Cuba is a most welcome partner with most nations of the world, where the Cuban DRs and nurses, teachers, scientists, agronomists, etc etc are welcomed.

Cuban educators also created the "Yes I Can" international multilingual literacy program that has won several UN/UNESCO awards, and has taught millions to read and write.

The Cuban Ministry of Health doctors have created "Operation Miracle", a charitable program that has restored vision to millions around the world.

Cuba trains doctors and auxiliaries from all over the world at no cost to the students, under the condition that they serve in-need sectors of their homeland.

Cuba has even named its amazing Henry Reeve Brigade international emergency response team (consisting of over 25,000 health care and disaster recovery specialists) after an American Dr.

Plus, as mentioned, Cuba's infrastructure ranks as world class in social indices, rivaling some of the wealthiest nations.

Cuba is the only nation to achieve sustainability goals according to the WWF.

Cuba is a global leader in organic food source development (petroleum based agriculture is too expensive and too destructive).

These things happen because Cuba IS a part of the reality based world community.

The United States that has been condemned 19 years in a row by the world community in the United Nations for the unjust extra territorial sanctions upon Cuba.


Despite the hardships and sacrifice in the name of equity and fairness, despite the impoverishing intent of the US sanctions, Cubans have put into place full support infrastructure - education, health care, housing, equal rights, security, non corporate sovereignty.

{Anyone who thinks that a Castro forces this on an unwilling population needs their head examined (or, actually, needs to go to Cuba to see for themselves).}

We could learn a lot from Cuba. They've faced the worst and came out of it stronger and better off.



For those that don't know, Mika is one of the "Fidel/Cuba" crowd over on the DUmp. I think this shithead has been over to Cuba but guess what?? He didn't stay! :eek:

This POS loves to praise the lovely island nation where only those in or connected to power have it well. But call this useful idiot on that and he'll/she'll (I don't remember which) will pull out of bunch of canned links that make Cuba look like a modern paradise for all. This one is just so full of shit it's staggering...

:D

Wei Wu Wei
11-20-2010, 12:41 PM
A country facing economic sanctions by the strongest imperial force in modern history after years of hurricanes and crop problems, along with the collapse of their main trading partner doesn't spent it's time throwing money in the garbage can and garbage into their gullets?

color me shocked.

There are continued votes in the UN where literally every single nation in the UN votes one way and only 2 vote against them, the US and Israel. One of these recent votes has been on lifting the economic restrictions on Cuba imposed by the US. The US is actively working to keep Cuba from developing economically, and then pointing to Cuba's economic problems to justify it's own actions.

SarasotaRepub
11-20-2010, 12:44 PM
A country facing economic sanctions by the strongest imperial force in modern history after years of hurricanes and crop problems, along with the collapse of their main trading partner doesn't spent it's time throwing money in the garbage can and garbage into their gullets?

color me shocked.

There are continued votes in the UN where literally every single nation in the UN votes one way and only 2 vote against them, the US and Israel. One of these recent votes has been on lifting the economic restrictions on Cuba imposed by the US. The US is actively working to keep Cuba from developing economically, and then pointing to Cuba's economic problems to justify it's own actions.

Wei, who's in da White House??? :p

AmPat
11-20-2010, 12:45 PM
A country facing economic sanctions by the strongest imperial force in modern history after years of hurricanes and crop problems, along with the collapse of their main trading partner doesn't spent it's time throwing money in the garbage can and garbage into their gullets?

color me shocked.

There are continued votes in the UN where literally every single nation in the UN votes one way and only 2 vote against them, the US and Israel. One of these recent votes has been on lifting the economic restrictions on Cuba imposed by the US. The US is actively working to keep Cuba from developing economically, and then pointing to Cuba's economic problems to justify it's own actions.

That's the answer. Let's just let the UN decide US policy. Let's subject ourselves to the laws as judged and imposed by NON_US CITIZENS. :rolleyes:

Why do you libuturds always surrender to other countries? You like other countries so much, give up your US citizenship, ship out and shut up.

Dan D. Doty
11-20-2010, 01:23 PM
Economic collapse is of course what we call a ... DOOMSDAY SCENARIO !!!

Wei, unless you have a big pile of gold coins, a small mountain of canned food, and the means to protect both, a total economic collapse isn't something you sit around hoping for. Warlords, gangs and other a sorted crazies will be running in the streets, and someone like yourself will trying to dial 911 until the human vermin come break in your front door.

If things break down, Utopia ain't no where on the selction menue.

AmPat
11-20-2010, 03:29 PM
Economic collapse is of course what we call a ... DOOMSDAY SCENARIO !!!

Wei, unless you have a big pile of gold coins, a small mountain of canned food, and the means to protect both, a total economic collapse isn't something you sit around hoping for. Warlords, gangs and other a sorted crazies will be running in the streets, and someone like yourself will trying to dial 911 until the human vermin come break in your front door.

If things break down, Utopia ain't no where on the selction menue.

Wei Wei will still espouse his political nonsense even when the progressive created gangs come crashing through his door. Liberalism is a disease that has no cure.

Adam Wood
11-20-2010, 05:36 PM
A country facing economic sanctions by the strongest imperial force in modern history after years of hurricanes and crop problems, along with the collapse of their main trading partner doesn't spent it's time throwing money in the garbage can and garbage into their gullets?

color me shocked.

There are continued votes in the UN where literally every single nation in the UN votes one way and only 2 vote against them, the US and Israel. One of these recent votes has been on lifting the economic restrictions on Cuba imposed by the US. The US is actively working to keep Cuba from developing economically, and then pointing to Cuba's economic problems to justify it's own actions.What a colossal load of happy horseshit.

First and foremost, fuck you very much for calling the United States an "imperial force." Get the fuck out of my country, you traitorous bastard. If you and I ever cross paths, I'll beat into a fucking grease spot for being such a poisonous traitor to the country that I love.

Second, your cranial-rectal inversion on the US' economic sanctions shows just how stupid the entire ideology of the Left actually is. The US has economic sanctions against Cuba. That much you have correct. How about Europe? What about all those Caribbean islands? What about Canada? What about Mexico? What about Venezuela? Brazil? The UK? Chile? Argentina? South Africa? Australia? New Zealand? China? Japan? Russia? The UAE? Iran? Iraq? Saudi Arabia?

Hint: NO, DUMBFUCK!!!

Cuba has the ability to trade with the entire rest of the world and yet they're still a destitute, ass-backward, Communist cesspool. And why is this? Because they're a Communist cesspool, that's why. Comgratulations, moron: you've embraced a thoroughly failed ideology and economic theory.

Wei Wu Wei
11-20-2010, 05:43 PM
That's the answer. Let's just let the UN decide US policy. Let's subject ourselves to the laws as judged and imposed by NON_US CITIZENS. :rolleyes:

These aren't laws imposed on ourselves, they are laws imposed on citizens of another country.

This is exactly the point. A country should not be imposing it's rule over the citizens of another, when they pose no risk.


Why do you libuturds always surrender to other countries? You like other countries so much, give up your US citizenship, ship out and shut up.

You are incredibly stupid. You are the type of person that makes everyone who agrees with you wish you'd shut up because you make every right wing person look bad.

Madisonian
11-20-2010, 05:54 PM
A country facing economic sanctions by the strongest imperial force in modern history after years of hurricanes and crop problems, along with the collapse of their main trading partner doesn't spent it's time throwing money in the garbage can and garbage into their gullets?

color me shocked.

There are continued votes in the UN where literally every single nation in the UN votes one way and only 2 vote against them, the US and Israel. One of these recent votes has been on lifting the economic restrictions on Cuba imposed by the US. The US is actively working to keep Cuba from developing economically, and then pointing to Cuba's economic problems to justify it's own actions.

Any time every other nation except the US and Israel are in unanimous agreement over anything it usually means they want something that is antithetical to the US Constitution and our way of life in this country and frankly I don't give a furry flying rat's ass what the rest of the world wants.

If the rest of the world wants to kiss the Castro brothers asses, let them do it and give Cuba all the aid they want.

hampshirebrit
11-20-2010, 05:57 PM
imposing it's rule .

Dude, please tell me that English is not your chosen teaching subject.

It's its, in the context you quoted above.

It's fucking irritating for me to see our language and its importance being disrespected, mutilated even, here.

How easy can it it be:

IT'S = it is.
ITS = all other usages.

/and now, back to the thread.

Wei Wu Wei
11-20-2010, 05:58 PM
What a colossal load of happy horseshit.

First and foremost, fuck you very much for calling the United States an "imperial force." Get the fuck out of my country, you traitorous bastard. If you and I ever cross paths, I'll beat into a fucking grease spot for being such a poisonous traitor to the country that I love.

Well lucky then that I don't hang around in bedpans you retarded, PhD in History Channel, illiterate piece of shit


Second, your cranial-rectal inversion on the US' economic sanctions shows just how stupid the entire ideology of the Left actually is. The US has economic sanctions against Cuba. That much you have correct. How about Europe? What about all those Caribbean islands? What about Canada? What about Mexico? What about Venezuela? Brazil? The UK? Chile? Argentina? South Africa? Australia? New Zealand? China? Japan? Russia? The UAE? Iran? Iraq? Saudi Arabia?

Hint: NO, DUMBFUCK!!!

Cuba has the ability to trade with the entire rest of the world and yet they're still a destitute, ass-backward, Communist cesspool. And why is this? Because they're a Communist cesspool, that's why. Comgratulations, moron: you've embraced a thoroughly failed ideology and economic theory.


It's called the Helms-Burton Act. Read a thing or two before you start spewing your ignorant garbage all over the place.

it prevents any foreign (non-US) companies from trading with the US if they trade or have any relation with Cuba. in effect, anyone who deals with cuba was cut off from the US as well, meaning the US used it's economic leverage to prevent any economic activity with Cuba. Laws like this have been in place for decades.

Adam Wood
11-20-2010, 08:26 PM
It's called the Helms-Burton Act. Read a thing or two before you start spewing your ignorant garbage all over the place.

it prevents any foreign (non-US) companies from trading with the US if they trade or have any relation with Cuba. in effect, anyone who deals with cuba was cut off from the US as well, meaning the US used it's economic leverage to prevent any economic activity with Cuba. Laws like this have been in place for decades.My, how British Airways will be surprised. And KLM. And Melia Hotels. And Kia. And Hyundai. And Volkswagon. And Iberia. And Sony. And the BBC. And AeroMexico. And the Associated Press. And Air Canada.

Alllll of these guys, and those are just the ones off the top of my head, have been barred from trading with the United States, because Mr. All Wee-weed Up says so on the internet. It can't possibly be that the actual reason that Cuba is a fourth world shithole is because the island is brutally oppressed by a Communist dictatorship that Wee-weed Up idolizes because he's desperate for cosmic sameness. No siree.

AmPat
11-21-2010, 05:23 PM
These aren't laws imposed on ourselves, they are laws imposed on citizens of another country.

This is exactly the point. A country should not be imposing it's rule over the citizens of another, when they pose no risk.



You are incredibly stupid. You are the type of person that makes everyone who agrees with you wish you'd shut up because you make every right wing person look bad.

The point was that WE (US citizens) will decide what our POLICIES will be regarding dealings with other countries.As usual and right on cue, you miss the point WIDE LEFT again by focusing on a single word. Try to keep up with the adult conversation going on here please. When will you start rooting for the United States and stop being the traitorous turd that you so clearly are?:rolleyes:

AmPat
11-21-2010, 05:29 PM
Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
It's called the Helms-Burton Act. Read a thing or two before you start spewing your ignorant garbage all over the place.

it prevents any foreign (non-US) companies from trading with the US if they trade or have any relation with Cuba. in effect, anyone who deals with cuba was cut off from the US as well, meaning the US used it's economic leverage to prevent any economic activity with Cuba. Laws like this have been in place for decades.And Iran/Gaza/Beirut/Iraq all have or had the same economic sanctions yet they continue(d) to trade. Facts just kill you liberturds, don't they?