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PoliCon
11-29-2010, 12:45 PM
Monday, November 29, 2010
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Most voters who fly appear comfortable with the federal Transportation Safety Administrationís new airport security measures.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey, taken Sunday night at the close of the Thanksgiving holiday travel weekend, finds that 51% rate airline security as good or excellent, while just 16% view it as poor. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Seventy-five percent (75%) of voters who fly at least once a year think it is appropriate to require some passengers to have either a full-body scan or full-body pat down before boarding an airliner. Eighteen percent (18%) disagree and say such measures are not appropriate.

Support for the techniques is even higher among those who fly once a month or more often.

In January, just after an unsuccessful terrorist bombing attempt on an airliner landing in Detroit, 71% of Americans favored the use of full-body scanners at airports.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/november_2010/most_flyers_okay_with_full_body_scans_pat_downs

noonwitch
11-29-2010, 01:03 PM
Even though I don't fly, I would choose the body scan over the pat-down any day.

Thor
11-29-2010, 02:15 PM
I don't want either. Therefore, I choose not to fly. When we allow intrusive measures such as this,we relenquish our rights. I'm with Ben Franklin on this, "Those that would sacrifice essential liberties for a little safety, deserve neither". We continually are allowing our rights to be eroded, and little by little, there will eventually be none.

Speedy
11-29-2010, 02:31 PM
Using that same logic, most Americans are okay with Muslims and Arabs being profiled.

PoliCon
11-29-2010, 05:40 PM
I don't want either. Therefore, I choose not to fly. When we allow intrusive measures such as this,we relenquish our rights. I'm with Ben Franklin on this, "Those that would sacrifice essential liberties for a little safety, deserve neither". We continually are allowing our rights to be eroded, and little by little, there will eventually be none.

Do you honestly think that you have a right to fly? :confused:

NJCardFan
11-29-2010, 07:00 PM
Do you honestly think that you have a right to fly? :confused:

Actually, in a sense, yes. I pay for the ticket hence this gives me the right to fly on that airplane. I also have the right not to be singled out for further scrutiny because I happen to be the 12th person in line. Buying an airline ticket in no way causes me to forfeit my Constitutional rights. The 4th Amendment specifically states:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Being passenger #12 isn't probable cause. And, since the TSA is a Federal government so they are directly bound by the Constitution.

Madisonian
11-29-2010, 07:48 PM
Do you honestly think that you have a right to fly? :confused:

I have a right to enter into a private business contract with a company that provides transportation as long as that company wishes to enter into that contract with me.

The company and I agree to the terms and I provide a consideration (money, barter, etc.) for the agreed upon services. This is the same whether I choose to take a plane, bus or taxi as long as it is a commercial company.

Are you saying if you owned a 10 seat Cessna Citation and 10 people wanted you to fly them to the Superbowl, they don't have a right to ask you to fly them and you don't have a right to accept?

PoliCon
11-29-2010, 08:52 PM
Actually, in a sense, yes. I pay for the ticket hence this gives me the right to fly on that airplane. I also have the right not to be singled out for further scrutiny because I happen to be the 12th person in line. Buying an airline ticket in no way causes me to forfeit my Constitutional rights. The 4th Amendment specifically states:

Being passenger #12 isn't probable cause. And, since the TSA is a Federal government so they are directly bound by the Constitution.

I have a right to enter into a private business contract with a company that provides transportation as long as that company wishes to enter into that contract with me.

The company and I agree to the terms and I provide a consideration (money, barter, etc.) for the agreed upon services. This is the same whether I choose to take a plane, bus or taxi as long as it is a commercial company.

Are you saying if you owned a 10 seat Cessna Citation and 10 people wanted you to fly them to the Superbowl, they don't have a right to ask you to fly them and you don't have a right to accept?

You do understand that it's the airlines that WANT the TSA. If they subjected you to these screenings your ire would be directed at THEM. The TSA makes for a nice buffer. They recognize that if they were doing the screenings they would be opened up wide for sue happy lawyers and get rich quick lawsuits. They'd get them from people being searched and if someone got through - they'd face suits from the families of any victims.

Bubba Dawg
11-29-2010, 09:52 PM
I would choose the full body scan. Just the idea of it makes me feel special.

linda22003
11-30-2010, 10:36 AM
I would choose the full body scan. Just the idea of it makes me feel special.

That glow you're feeling is probably just the radiation. :D

PoliCon
11-30-2010, 11:50 AM
I would choose the full body scan. Just the idea of it makes me feel special.

prolly cause it would be the most action you've seen in years :p

Madisonian
11-30-2010, 05:52 PM
You do understand that it's the airlines that WANT the TSA. If they subjected you to these screenings your ire would be directed at THEM. The TSA makes for a nice buffer. They recognize that if they were doing the screenings they would be opened up wide for sue happy lawyers and get rich quick lawsuits. They'd get them from people being searched and if someone got through - they'd face suits from the families of any victims.

Of course the airlines want the TSA. That way the fucking sheep aren't scared of the big bad terrorist wolf.
BAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
Theater of Security Absurdity. Yep, that's the ticket. Ohhhh... I feel safe now, BAAAAAAA

PoliCon
11-30-2010, 05:59 PM
Of course the airlines want the TSA. That way the fucking sheep aren't scared of the big bad terrorist wolf.
BAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
Theater of Security Absurdity. Yep, that's the ticket. Ohhhh... I feel safe now, BAAAAAAA

And if there was another attack using planes you'd be among the first people bitching that the government did not do enough to protect us. :rolleyes:

Calypso Jones
11-30-2010, 06:25 PM
I don't believe that statement. I think many americans are disturbed and don't want either procedure uless the TSA is going to use behavioral profiling and i think they ought to incorporate racial/ islamic profiling.

At no time has the tsa stopped any terrorist attack. IT"S THE FLIERS themselves that have taken the matter into their own hands. TSA is a bunch of sorry lazy ignorant power intoxicated federal employees paid more than they deserve.

PoliCon
11-30-2010, 06:30 PM
I don't believe that statement. I think many americans are disturbed and don't want either procedure uless the TSA is going to use behavioral profiling and i think they ought to incorporate racial/ islamic profiling.

At no time has the tsa stopped any terrorist attack. IT"S THE FLIERS themselves that have taken the matter into their own hands. TSA is a bunch of sorry lazy ignorant power intoxicated federal employees paid more than they deserve.

BULLSHIT. Do you honestly think that they publicize what is stopped??? Do you seriously believe that every thwarted terrorist attack is covered on the evening news???? :rolleyes:

Calypso Jones
11-30-2010, 06:33 PM
BULLSHIT. Do you honestly think that they publicize what is stopped??? Do you seriously believe that every thwarted terrorist attack is covered on the evening news???? :rolleyes:

yes i DO believe they would publicize everything they allegedly stop IF they had stopped ANYthing. THEY CERTAINLY have taken credit for stopping terrorism that they had NO HAND IN AT ALL. It was the PASSENGERS.

i bet you're a 9-11 truther, are you?

Madisonian
11-30-2010, 06:34 PM
And if there was another attack using planes you'd be among the first people bitching that the government did not do enough to protect us. :rolleyes:

The fact is they are doing nothing to protect us. This is smoke and mirrors. A dog and pony show.
Its a joke. Our government knows it, the terrorists know it.

Ask any special forces member, past or present, how many ways they could beat the current system. There are dozens of items that you can buy at the shops once you pass through so called security that can be fashioned into weapons. Do you feel safer now?
If you really want to feel safer, you should have no objections to cavity searches and exchanging your boarding clothes for hospital type gowns and footies. Safety is the goal, right?
Better yet, passengers should be shackled into their seats before take off until after landing. An armed guard can escort you to the restroom if you need to use it, but the door will be removed. You have no need or reason to expect privacy since you don't have a right to fly, right?

Sheep, fucking sheep.

Calypso Jones
11-30-2010, 06:36 PM
I'd like to amend my first statement. DAM RIGHT I THINK THEY"d release any and ALL instances where the dam liars had actually stopped something even if it was a 1000 mini key chain knives and 2 weapons belonging to members of the military/law enforcement.

Calypso Jones
11-30-2010, 06:38 PM
The fact is they are doing nothing to protect us. This is smoke and mirrors. A dog and pony show.
Its a joke. Our government knows it, the terrorists know it.

Ask any special forces member, past or present, how many ways they could beat the current system. There are dozens of items that you can buy at the shops once you pass through so called security that can be fashioned into weapons. Do you feel safer now?
If you really want to feel safer, you should have no objections to cavity searches and exchanging your boarding clothes for hospital type gowns and footies. Safety is the goal, right?
Better yet, passengers should be shackled into their seats before take off until after landing. An armed guard can escort you to the restroom if you need to use it, but the door will be removed. You have no need or reason to expect privacy since you don't have a right to fly, right?

Sheep, fucking sheep.

Exactly. The dirty secret is that now the government cannot and this Obama Administration WILL NOT protect American citizens.

NJCardFan
11-30-2010, 06:43 PM
yes i DO believe they would publicize everything they allegedly stop IF they had stopped ANYthing. THEY CERTAINLY have taken credit for stopping terrorism that they had NO HAND IN AT ALL. It was the PASSENGERS.

i bet you're a 9-11 truther, are you?

Not to mention that the shoe bomber and underwear bomber originated in Europe. And, yes, if the TSA actually accomplished something they'd be tooting their own horn from the highest mountain. You bet your ass they would.

PoliCon
11-30-2010, 06:45 PM
yes i DO believe they would publicize everything they allegedly stop IF they had stopped ANYthing. THEY CERTAINLY have taken credit for stopping terrorism that they had NO HAND IN AT ALL. It was the PASSENGERS.

i bet you're a 9-11 truther, are you?

Then you're mistaken then because the vast majority of what is done is never even mentioned in the news. Me a truther? :rolleyes:

PoliCon
11-30-2010, 06:50 PM
Not to mention that the shoe bomber and underwear bomber originated in Europe. And, yes, if the TSA actually accomplished something they'd be tooting their own horn from the highest mountain. You bet your ass they would.

What would tooting their horn accomplish for them - for their Job - or for national security? It amazes me the conspiracy theories people come up with and will espouse at all costs no matter what logic or evidence is thrown against it.

Calypso Jones
11-30-2010, 07:18 PM
Poli. are you an air marshall?

Rockntractor
11-30-2010, 07:47 PM
What would tooting their horn accomplish for them - for their Job - or for national security? It amazes me the conspiracy theories people come up with and will espouse at all costs no matter what logic or evidence is thrown against it.

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/stock-photo-crazy-sheep-with-white-background-19258846.jpg?t=1291164414

NJCardFan
11-30-2010, 07:49 PM
What would tooting their horn accomplish for them - for their Job - or for national security? It amazes me the conspiracy theories people come up with and will espouse at all costs no matter what logic or evidence is thrown against it.

OK, go back and re-read every one of my posts on this subject and kindly cut and paste any conspiracy theories. I'll wait.

Rockntractor
11-30-2010, 07:52 PM
I ain't giving up without a fight!:mad:
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/SHEEPPIG-1.jpg?t=1291164721

Madisonian
11-30-2010, 07:55 PM
What would tooting their horn accomplish for them - for their Job - or for national security? It amazes me the conspiracy theories people come up with and will espouse at all costs no matter what logic or evidence is thrown against it.

S.510 is not a conspiracy theory.
The "Patriot" act is not a conspiracy theory.
The Department of Homeland (appearance of) Security is not a conspiracy theory.
Mandatory seat belts are not a conspiracy theory.
HCR and forcing you to purchase a policy from a private entity at the threat of death is not a conspiracy theory.

These and every other erosion of our rights are not conspiracy theories, they are the factual results of the government saving us from ourselves and the sheep that let them get away with it.

NJCardFan
11-30-2010, 08:03 PM
S.510 is not a conspiracy theory.
The "Patriot" act is not a conspiracy theory.
The Department of Homeland (appearance of) Security is not a conspiracy theory.
Mandatory seat belts are not a conspiracy theory.
HCR and forcing you to purchase a policy from a private entity at the threat of death is not a conspiracy theory.

These and every other erosion of our rights are not conspiracy theories, they are the factual results of the government saving us from ourselves and the sheep that let them get away with it.

And strip searching a 9 year old isn't a conspiracy. Neither is making a flight attendant remove her prosthetic breast. Or a guy's urine bag. All of these things have happened. Not to mention the groping of a nun. These things happened.

Calypso Jones
11-30-2010, 08:40 PM
more than one groping of a nun...and nuns in WHEELCHAIRS. We're being played in a big way.

hampshirebrit
11-30-2010, 09:11 PM
I don't want either. Therefore, I choose not to fly. When we allow intrusive measures such as this,we relenquish our rights. I'm with Ben Franklin on this, "Those that would sacrifice essential liberties for a little safety, deserve neither". We continually are allowing our rights to be eroded, and little by little, there will eventually be none.

I agree.

This really is a question of how much govt BS anyone is prepared to put up with.

I don't mind it when it works, but strip-searching grannies and little white boys at airports does not work. It's bullshit. I'll take a train or a boat or just not go.

Honestly, it's easier and quicker for me to drive (to BE at least). If anyone expects me to do it any less efficiently, then they will need a receipt.

Calypso Jones
11-30-2010, 10:22 PM
Then you're mistaken then because the vast majority of what is done is never even mentioned in the news. Me a truther? :rolleyes:

and i asked...are YOU an Air Marshall?

PoliCon
11-30-2010, 10:26 PM
OK, go back and re-read every one of my posts on this subject and kindly cut and paste any conspiracy theories. I'll wait.
your whole position on this issue is a conspiracy theory. :rolleyes: The TSA is wrong no matter what they do - in your eyes - and this is all just a way for them to get cheap thrills. :rolleyes: Did it ever occur to you that they want to touch your junk about as much as you want your junk touched???

PoliCon
11-30-2010, 10:27 PM
more than one groping of a nun...and nuns in WHEELCHAIRS. We're being played in a big way.

And do you realize that terrorists have more than once used people dressed as nuns as bombers?? Don't blame the TSA - blame the fucking terrorists.

Rockntractor
11-30-2010, 10:35 PM
And do you realize that terrorists have more than once used people dressed as nuns as bombers?? Don't blame the TSA - blame the fucking terrorists.

Why just the other day I was the victim of road rage with an out of control nun in a wheelchair!

patriot45
11-30-2010, 10:38 PM
Why just the other day I was the victim of road rage with an out of control nun in a wheelchair!

And I got accosted by a 2 year old while he was nursing! Its dangerous out there... we dont have time to profile muslims with all the domestic terrorists out there!:rolleyes:

Rockntractor
11-30-2010, 10:42 PM
And I got accosted by a 2 year old while he was nursing! Its dangerous out there... we dont have time to profile muslims with all the domestic terrorists out there!:rolleyes:

Wat till you get whacked along side the head with a prosthetic breast, that'll teach ya!