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Madisonian
11-30-2010, 09:10 PM
Gov't evaluating cell phone blocking tech in cars (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40418794/ns/technology_and_science-wireless)


In addition to its efforts to educate drivers about the dangers of distracted driving, the U.S. Department of Transportation is evaluating technology in automobiles that would disable cell phones. The move is a response to the growing number of deaths and injuries related to distracted driving.

"There's a lot of technology out there now that can disable phones and we're looking at that," Raymond LaHood, the Secretary of Transportation said during a discussion during MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "That's one way. But you have to have good laws, you have to have good enforcement, and you have to have people take personal responsibility. That's the bottom line."

Why not just be done with it and ban cars, salt, HFCS, Happy Meals, trans-fats, red meat, spinach, swimming, roller skates and everything else that can cause harm in any way shape or form.

Lock us into little rooms and give us our daily ration of Soylent Green.

Rockntractor
11-30-2010, 09:26 PM
Gov't evaluating cell phone blocking tech in cars (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40418794/ns/technology_and_science-wireless)



Why not just be done with it and ban cars, salt, HFCS, Happy Meals, trans-fats, red meat, spinach, swimming, roller skates and everything else that can cause harm in any way shape or form.

Lock us into little rooms and give us our daily ration of Soylent Green.

It just makes you wonder, every time they make another grab like health care, TSA, Food safety bill, cap and trade, etc, how much freedom do we really have to take anymore.
It makes me feel claustrophobic.

Madisonian
12-01-2010, 07:35 AM
It just makes you wonder, every time they make another grab like health care, TSA, Food safety bill, cap and trade, etc, how much freedom do we really have to take anymore.
It makes me feel claustrophobic.

The answer is easy. We have no freedoms anymore. We have what little illusions of freedom that the Washington Tyranny allows us to have.
You are not free to own a business or ply your trade without the government's permission.
You can only eat and drink what the government has approved you to eat and drink.
You can only educate your children in a manner and with a cirriculum the government approves.
You cannot hire the kid down the street to mow your lawn or clean your yard without government intrusion.
You cannot go a single day of your life without breaking some obscure or over reaching law.
You cannot live in any structure that the government has not inspected and approved for occupancy.
And on and on and on....

The concept of freedom and the Constitution that provided for it are dead. We had a good run for a while, but we have devolved into another tyranny. We are no longer free citizens, we are subjects of the ruling elite.

NJCardFan
12-01-2010, 08:35 AM
I'm smart enough to know that a civilized society needs a government. Anarchy is a pipe dream because even in a anarchic society, there is going to be a leader. Just like in a socialistic country, there are haves and have nots. The chasm between the 2 is just bigger. But there is an old saying; power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Our government was created with the best intentions and for a while, it worked. But it got too big. And in a big government, you have people who not only want to lead, but to rule. This is what we have now. We don't have a government of leaders, we have a government of rulers. They want to control every aspect of your life. What you eat, drive, listen to, watch on TV, read in the newspapers. Our Founding Fathers knew this could happen and in the Declaration, they urged us to shrug off the new government if it became too oppressive but instead, our society has turned into a slag society. They will never turn on their rulers as long as those rulers provide them with life. Just like in that Gladiator movie when Caesar had bread thrown into the crowd. Keep 'em fat and happy and they won't rebel. And the sheep just sit there and take it. This is just another way to intrude on our freedoms and as we can see here, we have many, even here, who are willing to accept it because it makes them feel safe. Franklin was right. He was so right.

Molon Labe
12-01-2010, 09:47 AM
The answer is easy. We have no freedoms anymore.

Then does that mean the terrorists don't hate us anymore?

Madisonian
12-01-2010, 09:56 AM
What is painful to me, as a believer and admirerer of the concepts of which this once great country was originally formed and instituted, is the position of many so called conservatives that are willingly be led by the ring in their nose.

They, even more than liberals, chant the mantra "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".
That is not the point! Probable cause is anything the government declares it to be. They could turn posting on this website into an allegation of attempting to overthrow the government if they wanted to, and someday they will.

Everything about you is fair game to the Feds, and if they cannot find any other bullshit justification, they can claim "national security". The "Patriot" Act pretty much handed that to them and thanks to our elected rulers, we do not even have the right to know we have been violated. In fact it is a federal crime for a bank or credit reporting agency to let you know that you have been under investigation as long as they claim "national security" when they do it.


From James Madison...
"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad."
"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."

How disgustedly prophetic.

noonwitch
12-01-2010, 11:27 AM
The answer is easy. We have no freedoms anymore. We have what little illusions of freedom that the Washington Tyranny allows us to have.
You are not free to own a business or ply your trade without the government's permission.
You can only eat and drink what the government has approved you to eat and drink.
You can only educate your children in a manner and with a cirriculum the government approves.
You cannot hire the kid down the street to mow your lawn or clean your yard without government intrusion.
You cannot go a single day of your life without breaking some obscure or over reaching law.
You cannot live in any structure that the government has not inspected and approved for occupancy.
And on and on and on....

The concept of freedom and the Constitution that provided for it are dead. We had a good run for a while, but we have devolved into another tyranny. We are no longer free citizens, we are subjects of the ruling elite.


You can still pay the kid down the street to mow your grass in metro Detroit.
You can vote for candidates who support doing away with a lot of those laws.
You can run for office yourself and try to change things.
You have free speech rights, guaranteed by the Constitution. A lot of europeans who don't like Islam are envious of that right about now.


Personally, I'm glad the FDA has some say over what food is sold in stores. You still are free to grow your own veggies in a rural, suburban or urban setting, in your garden, without the government intervening.

We might have an overly large federal government, with too many regulations, some of which have devolved into silliness, but I wouldn't call it tyranny.

Madisonian
12-01-2010, 07:05 PM
You can still pay the kid down the street to mow your grass in metro Detroit.


All depends how old they are, how much you pay them per week, quarter or year and whether they are considered a household employee or an independent contractor.
If you provide the lawnmower, that makes you an employer. Now you need them to fill out Form I-9, employment eligibility verification.
You may be subject to minimum wage laws, tax withholding and workers comp requirements.
So its not as easy as saying "I'll pay you $50 a week to keep my yard kept up", which was my basic point.

As far as the FDA, why does it need to be a federal agency doing this? Why not an independent private company? Why not Underwriters Laboratories for example? I would trust that infinitely more than a government bureaucracy and the cost would be less. You can pay a little more and buy UL listed foods or you can save some money and take your chances.

m00
12-02-2010, 11:57 PM
What if it's raining out, or freezing out etc... and you need to make call?

What if you are being carjacked, you can't call 911?

Morons.

But Madisonian is correct. It's not really about that. It's about government feeling obligated to intrude into absolutely every aspect of our lives.

PoliCon
12-03-2010, 12:01 AM
ridiculous. If anything they should raise the standards for receiving a drivers license. Stick people in a simulator and make them pass a test where road conditions are bad - when there are distractions . . . etc.

m00
12-03-2010, 12:06 AM
ridiculous. If anything they should raise the standards for receiving a drivers license. Stick people in a simulator and make them pass a test where road conditions are bad - when there are distractions . . . etc.

Personally, I get pretty distracted by the radio. Guess what, I turn off the freakin' radio when I drive (unless it's lone-highway-driving where all I have to do is stay in my lane).

Government is not a replacement for common sense, as much as it wants to be.

PoliCon
12-03-2010, 12:13 AM
Personally, I get pretty distracted by the radio. Guess what, I turn off the freakin' radio when I drive (unless it's lone-highway-driving where all I have to do is stay in my lane).

Government is not a replacement for common sense, as much as it wants to be.

Glad that you do that - but what about people who drive with kids in the car? You can't exactly turn them off . . . . ;)

m00
12-03-2010, 12:19 AM
Glad that you do that - but what about people who drive with kids in the car? You can't exactly turn them off . . . . ;)

Over the counter chewable morphine! :D

PoliCon
12-03-2010, 12:54 AM
Over the counter chewable morphine! :D

:D interesting idea . . . .