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Carol
12-02-2010, 11:02 PM
link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9677516)

I thought Obama was going to be the cure all for disaffected libs.

Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-02-10 09:55 PM
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Out of hope. I'm not seeing a way out for this country. Updated at 9:57 PM

I'm not seeing a way out for this country.

In 2000, I knew BushCo would tank the economy, set social issues back by decades, and repay defense contractors by ignoring Clinton administration intel on the threats of terrorism, replaying old scripts about "ICBMS from rogue nations," and re-invading Iraq.

I knew what could happen. I just didn't realize how fast and how devastating it would be.

In 2004, I knew it was the last chance to get back on track. I cried the entire day after the election, knowing not only how screwed we were for the future, but how incredibly screwed we were that so many of our citizens are willing puppets, pulled by strings of fear, by people, organizations and interests they don't understand.

I knew the US was screwed at least through my lifetime. I just didn't realize it could be screwed beyond that.

In 2008, I didn't have much enthusiasm left. The urgency of keeping the house from catching fire in 2000, and the fervor to extinguish the fire in 2004, became by 2008 a resigned sigh. Our candidates and their campaigns seemed weak, but maybe there's just a difference of adrenalin between running in with a fire extinguisher and standing in the ashes saying, "It's okay -- have hope!" (The other side was doomed with, "I see no problem here.")

I knew the country was screwed in the long term. I just didn't realized it could go down, completely, in my lifetime.

I'm not one to wear "tinfoil hats," with one exception: the Bush family legacy in Paraguay. But that's another story (or not, who knows).

Simply from an economic standpoint, I don't see how this country can survive going forward, considering the current political landscape -- and by "political" I mean the branches of government, the monetary interests involved, the international scheme of things, and at home, the totally LOST population of willing idiots, utterly deluded by propaganda. (I hate Nazi comparisons, but since at least 2004, they are the greatest and most dangerous group of exploited people since the "Good Germans." Sorry!)

"Social issues" are just the leverage they pull. Some of us remember how these levers have been pulled since Vietnam at least, but they go back centuries. The way the country was founded, the role of slavery, and the civil war; the women's rights movement(s), the civil rights movement of the 1950s, the social upheaval of the boomer youth movement in the 1960s, and the schism about what "patriotism" means in the legacy of the Vietnam war... Today, divisions are prodded, deepened, and exploited to encompass religion, sexual orientation, nationality, and of course, political "leanings." ("The enemy within" revisited.)

But all of those combined couldn't take our country down. Ultimately, "It's the economy, stupid."

It's the fact that those social conflicts have been leveraged to enable what's happened to the US economically. (How many people even understand the differences between social and economic structures now -- socialism, communism, capitalism, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, it's all the same, but "capitalism" is good and everything else is bad. The fact that capitalism has always been tempered by a balance of "socialism" in this country is lost on them.)

What is the way out of the country's current position? We manufacture virtually nothing; we own nothing but "trust and faith;" other countries own major parts of our existence, and multi-national corporations own the rest... With jobs outsourced, most all we do is "service" to each other on play money. The corporations that own us won't re-establish here unless or until our labor force is equivalent to what they have elsewhere, or about what migrant workers earn here.

Like other societies throughout history, I see us headed for a two-tiered system, but with this "melting pot" a conglomerate of corporations having tendrils stretching across the globe. Think of all the parts of our economy we don't own already.

So I've thought of moving elsewhere, thinking ahead -- but where? Canada, South America somewhere, maybe even Switzerland (not kidding)... I think it would be different though if we had young children and were looking ahead in that sense; instead, we are more at the point of looking at retirement. (Stinky will get in under the bar; I will be right at the cusp of the boomers who get screwed.)

I have lots more thoughts on the details of this, so I'll be posting more soon.

Meanwhile, if you see a way out of the decline I'm predicting, please tell me. I don't. The comments are priceless in their stupidity.

Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-02-10 10:19 PM
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10. That's what I'm saying. Updated at 9:57 PM

I don't know where it'd be better to go -- where is a place on earth really self-sufficient?

To be honest, all I could think of is for California to secede!! Without the rest of the US, their agriculture and productivity and innovation could work -- but then there are the fault lines...!!

So for the rest of my own life? I don't know.Yes, you read that right....CALIFORNIA.:confused:

bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-02-10 10:22 PM
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13. I confess

I dream of California.

HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-02-10 10:43 PM
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34. I'M IN CALIFORNIA WAS A GREAT STATE UNTIL RAYGUN EFFED IT UP

abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-02-10 10:05 PM
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2. We have young children

And have been thinking the same. Canada or New Zealand seem like the best possibilities. Hubby is from Ireland but that country is f-ed up right now. Mostly I worry we'll be disliked for having come from the US who is currently seen as having created much of the economic mess.

Wish I could say I see a way out....

elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-02-10 10:17 PM
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4. I don't really see any hope. I am dirt poor with nowhere to go, besides, who would take us?

Other countries of the world have their own problems and there's no way they want to see refugees from the U.S. when probably most of them think we are getting what we deserve.

Along with the irreversible climate change and nothing being done to address its disastrous consequence, there will be the crumbling and collapse of the American Empire. Hopefully I am old enough only to see the beginnings of it all without experiencing the total meltdown.

Isn't it ironic about the Boomers? We were supposed to be the generation who had it all, more than that our parents had. Turns out that our house was built on sand.

Dan D. Doty
12-03-2010, 12:47 AM
Bitch, bit, bitch ...

Run away, secede from the Union, dispare ...

They wanted Utopia, didn't get it.

Welcome to reality Moonbats; now learn to deal with it like the rest of us.

m00
12-03-2010, 12:56 AM
Is it really that hard to find a job?

Rockntractor
12-03-2010, 01:06 AM
Is it really that hard to find a job?

In some areas yes, a lot of people need to change their vocations but thats not always as easy as it sounds and still be able to meet your obligations.
I wish to hell government didn't think they needed to control our economy and environmental regulations.

m00
12-03-2010, 01:11 AM
In some areas yes, a lot of people need to change their vocations but thats not always as easy as it sounds and still be able to meet your obligations.
I wish to hell government didn't think they needed to control our economy and environmental regulations.

I think this goes hand-and-hand with the housing marketing problem. I've never owned property, so I've always been able to move to the most favorable location for my career. If I was stuck in one place tied to some property I couldn't sell, yeah I could see how that would screw me.

The vocation is also a good point. I think too many people see a liberal arts degree as a golden ticket to life long employment at the job of their choosing at the wage of their choosing, and it's just not the case. Unions are another bandaid to prop up wages for professions where there wasn't market demand.

I wonder what the breakdown is for the various sectors hit by job-loss. I get interview offers all the time, unsolicited (through linkedin, etc). So, I'm pretty lucky in that respect.

John Marston
12-03-2010, 01:13 AM
link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9677516)

I thought Obama was going to be the cure all for disaffected libs.
The comments are priceless in their stupidity.
Yes, you read that right....CALIFORNIA.:confused:

God, I hope California finally gets around to falling off into the ocean.....right after the next Batman movie opens anyways:D

Rockntractor
12-03-2010, 01:15 AM
God, I hope California finally gets around to falling off into the ocean.....right after the next Batman movie opens anyways:D

They would just go out and rescue them, busing them all over the country.:eek:

John Marston
12-03-2010, 01:18 AM
They would just go out and rescue them, busing them all over the country.:eek:

....with what money?

Rockntractor
12-03-2010, 01:19 AM
....with what money?

We print an endless supply, don't you know?:confused:

John Marston
12-03-2010, 01:23 AM
We print an endless supply, don't you know?:confused:

.....I feel like crying right into this whiskey bottle I got beside me

SarasotaRepub
12-03-2010, 07:13 AM
Dumbass wrote:


In 2004, I knew it was the last chance to get back on track. I cried the entire day after the election, knowing not only how screwed we were for the future, but how incredibly screwed we were that so many of our citizens are willing puppets, pulled by strings of fear, by people, organizations and interests they don't understand.



AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!11!!

I'll tell ya, nothing like a moonbat read to start the morning off right!!! :D

Madisonian
12-03-2010, 08:11 AM
Secede hell, I say we give Californication back to Mexico since they inhabit most of it anyway.
What do we have to lose besides a boat load of debt, Nazi Pelosi, Barbara Boxhead and a bunch of other whacked out liberals.

FDK
12-03-2010, 09:06 AM
Yeah, it was Reagan that ruined California - by caving into government employee unions. Oh, wait, I think that was the DEMOCRATS.