If an American military person with security clearances had passed

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Dec-04-10 04:04 PM
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If an American military person with security clearances had passed

any secret files to US enemies during the Cheney administration (directly, or through a self-proclaimed anarchist), everyone here would have called it treason.

Funny how everything has changed.

Many disagree, but.........

Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-04-10 04:07 PM
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2. Bradley Manning committed treason, Julian Assange did not.

If something similar had occurred when Bush/Cheneyy were in office, I doubt any thinking person would have thought otherwise.

Facts are facts

leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-04-10 05:17 PM
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21. Legally, it was Unauthorized Disclosure of Classified materials, not Treason. Updated at 1:18 PM

Treason was what happened on March 20, 2003 when Bush-Cheney knowingly committed U.S. lives to an illegal war on false pretenses.

Get your facts and laws and priorities straight..

pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-04-10 05:36 PM
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26. When Cheney exposed US spies, as Manning did, he wasn't

called a hero here.They have their head in the sand about this one.

NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-04-10 04:08 PM
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4. Funnier still how we were against our government doing shitty things when Boosh did it

now that Obama's in office, we dont seem to care about some of these things anymore.

War, torture, shooting civilians from an Army chopper......Isn't that the truth.

Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-04-10 04:10 PM
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8. Please. Speak only for yourself. I most certainly would not have.

Edited on Sat Dec-04-10 04:11 PM by Catherina
Treason is what Bush and Cheney did.

Treason is sending, and continuing to send, America's young people to kill and die for lies.


txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-04-10 05:45 PM
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38. A soldier is trained from day one NOT to OBEY and UNLAWFUL order Updated at 3:41 PM

Knowing that your government is doing evil things, trying to hide them, and attempting to cover it all up. It becomes your duty as a soldier who took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America to act.

This young man is a hero. Period. Remaining silent, becoming a willing part of a cover up of illegal, immoral acts by our leaders and military industrial complex would have been the true crime.

We, as a nation, must stand for SOMETHING. If it is not the rule of law, doing what is right, then what the hell is it?!?

[AmPat]

leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-04-10 05:17 PM
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21. Legally, it was Unauthorized Disclosure of Classified materials, not Treason. Updated at 1:18 PM

Treason was what happened on March 20, 2003 when Bush-Cheney knowingly committed U.S. lives to an illegal war on false pretenses.

Get your facts and laws and priorities straight.. Starting with you moron. Get your head out of your butt and research this meme outside of the HIVE. If this was an "illegal" war, 537 people would have to be in that same jail.

You liberals are boring in your simple minded, fact-less, talking point meme idiocy.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Christ on a crutch, do these morons have any idea about how ignorant they look?

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Treason was what happened on March 20, 2003 when Bush-Cheney knowingly committed U.S. lives to an illegal war on false pretenses.


Treason is sending, and continuing to send, America's young people to kill and die for lies.
You mean these lies?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

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Edited on Sat Dec-04-10 04:11 PM by Catherina
Treason is what Bush and Cheney did.

Treason is sending, and continuing to send, America's young people to kill and die for lies.
Obam-uh is a traitor?

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