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megimoo
12-05-2010, 01:53 PM
For those of you too young to remember Hanoi Jane is a bad person and did some terrible things during the Vietnam war. Things that can not be forgiven!!!!
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and now OBAMA wants to honor her......!!!!

In Memory of LT. C.Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton

IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!

She really is a traitor.

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA


This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear..

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.'

BY BARBARA WALTERS WRITES:

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.'

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received.


He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the 'Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it , in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper..

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs)

We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....'

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her..

I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weights placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.. It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget. RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343

PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE

Phillygirl
12-05-2010, 03:35 PM
Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp)

As Mike McGrath said: "Fonda did enough bad things to assure her a correct place in the garbage dump of history."

No need for false stories about her...the truth is enough.

Rockntractor
12-05-2010, 03:39 PM
Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp)

As Mike McGrath said: "Fonda did enough bad things to assure her a correct place in the garbage dump of history."

No need for false stories about her...the truth is enough.

I would trust Snopes about as much as I would trust Jane Fonda, but hey it's another viewpoint.

megimoo
12-05-2010, 03:44 PM
Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp)

As Mike McGrath said: "Fonda did enough bad things to assure her a correct place in the garbage dump of history."

No need for false stories about her...the truth is enough.

PLEASE READ!!!!!!! VERY IMPORTANT----- SNOPES EXPOSED:

Snopes under fire

I have suspected some problems with Snopes for some time now, but I have only caught them in half-truths. If there is any subjectivity they do an immediate full left rudder.

Truth or fiction.com <http://truthorfiction.com/> is the better source for verification, in my opinion.

I have recently discovered that Snopes.com is owned by a flaming liberal and this man is in the tank for Obama.

There are many things they have listed on their site as a hoax and yet you can go to Youtube yourself and find the video of Obama actually saying these things.

So you see, you cannot and should not trust Snopes.com.... ever for anything that remotely resembles truth! I don't even trust them to tell me if email chains are hoaxes anymore.

A few conservative speakers on Myspace told me about snopes.com <http://snopes.com/> a few months ago and I took it upon myself to do a little research to find out if it was true.

Well, I found out for myself that it is true. This website is backing Obama and is covering up for him. They will say anything that makes him look bad is a hoax and they also tell lies on the other side about McCain and Palin.

Anyway just FYI please don't use Snopes.com anymore for fact checking and make your friends aware of their political leanings as well. Many people still think Snopes.com is neutral and they can be trusted as factual. We need to make sure everyone is aware that that is a hoax in itself.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm

megimoo
12-05-2010, 04:17 PM
I would trust Snopes about as much as I would trust Jane Fonda, but hey it's another viewpoint.

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Barbara and David Mikkelson, of the indispensable Snopes.com, were on the case.

The husband-and-wife team are not professional folklorists. She describes herself as "just a housewife;" he's a computer programmer in his day job. But their website is so first-rate that retired folklore professor Jan Harold Brunvand, probably the top academic specializing in pop-culture myths, told me it's a big reason he's never bothered setting up a site of his own. "They have it all there," he said, "so I will just stick to writing books."

Snopes began as a purely urban-legends site in 1995, run out of the couple's home in the Los Angeles suburbs. But especially since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, it's become an invaluable resource for sifting through political and media facts and fallacies. You won't find a more exhaustive and nuanced dissection of Fahrenheit 9/11's central "big lie" as Christopher Hitchens, writing in Slate, described Moore's claims about the Bush administration's supposedly sneaking Bin Laden family members out of the U.S. before the FBI had time to question them than on Snopes.

Barbara Mikkelson has since amended her entry on Moore to apologize for her tirade against him. "Part of Mr. Moore's statement [she'd originally reacted to an interview Moore did with Fox News] has since been proved to be correct during the ban on air travel, some Saudis... were transported by air to assembly points in the U.S. in preparation for their leaving the country," she wrote. The lengthy analysis that follows, though, shows that Moore was incorrect on his major, crucial points: the Saudis left after airports reopened, and after being questioned by the FBI.

Still, wrote Barbara, evidently regretting straying from her normally cheerful and reasonable tone, "I shouldn't have yelled at him... the world is full enough already with pain and miserableness."

Anyone, but especially reporters, should check out Snopes before passing on a story that seems too good to be true. The site isn't always a wet blanket; some tall tales turn out to be accurate. Soupy Sales, for instance, actually did once tell young viewers to mail him those "little green pieces of paper" in their parents' wallets. And indeed there are, believe it or not, words to the Star Trek theme: "Beyond/the rim of the star-light/My love/is wand'ring in star-flight..."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

http://old.nationalreview.com/seipp/seipp200407210830.asp

megimoo
12-05-2010, 04:37 PM
I would trust Snopes about as much as I would trust Jane Fonda, but hey it's another viewpoint.


"Instead of Snopes use TruthOrFiction.com."

Jane Fonda Supported the Enemy in Vietnam and Her Conduct Got American POW's Killed-Truth! & Fiction!

Summary of Rumor:
In protest of Jane Fonda being considered as one of the top 100 women of the century, this email reminds Americans of her controversial visit to North Vietnam during the war. It quotes a POW named Jerry Driscoll who was taken from his prison cell, cleaned and dressed for a visit with Fonda, then ordered to give Fonda a positive account of his treatment. He spit at Fonda and was beaten and dragged away. Then a group of POWs which included a Col. Larry Carrigan were brought out to visit with Fonda. According to the story, "...she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" & "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Many of the POW's were listed as missing in action so to identify themselves to American authorities, they each wrote their Social Security numbers on small pieces of paper and slipped them to Fonda as she greeted them. To their horror, however, after Fonda finished meeting them, she turned to the North Vietnamese commanding officer and handed him the POW's pieces of paper. In the beatings that followed, three American POW's died and Col. Carrigan nearly died. The email then ends with a statement about events in North Vietnam from an unnamed American POW.

The Truth:
October 7, 2010 Update: A version of this eRumor have begun circulating in 2010 saying that President Obama is honoring Jane Fonda. This version has been circulating since 2009 and is pretty much a carbon copy of the original Barbara Walters eRumor.

This story hearkens to a real visit to North Vietnam by Jane Fonda in July of 1972, but the stories about betraying POWs is not true.

The Fonda trip became unforgettable because it infuriated Americans, especially Americans in uniform, many of whom still regard her as a traitor. She praised the North Vietnamese, posed for a photo at a Communist anti-aircraft gun emplacement, made several radio broadcasts for the Communist North Vietnamese in which she called American military leaders "war criminals," then when some of the POWs returned home and described mistreatment by the North Vietnamese, she said Americans should "...not hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars."

"That sounds like treason to me !!"

There is no dispute that her visit took place and that her words and actions were in support of the enemy. This particular email includes three stories, two of which have been denied by the POWs who are named, and one of which has been confirmed as true by the source, although he was not named in the email.

First, the "100 Women of the Century" was a project of the Ladies Home Journal and a TV special hosted by Barbara Walters that aired April 30, 1999. Jane Fonda was one of the 100. How the email story about the POWs got started is not known, but it has been widely circulated.

TruthOrFiction.com located Jerry Driscoll who said that the accounts about him in the email are "...the product of a very vivid imagination" and he requests that people please stop passing it on to others.

TruthOrFiction.com also contacted Mike McGrath, of Nam-POWs, who says the Larry Carrigan events never happened either. He says Carrigan calls the story a "hoax" and does not want to be associated with it. McGrath also says that some versions of the email include an account from a Dave Hoffman and that his story is true. Hoffman says he was tortured (hung by a broken arm) until he agreed to go before Jane Fonda. He was among a small group who witnessed one of her radio broadcasts for Hanoi. The part of the email that begins with "To Whom it may concern" is true. It's a quote from an article titled SHAME ON JANE originally published on the Advocacy And Intelligence Index website on April 28, 1999 and written by Michael Benge who was a civilian captured by the North Vietnamese in 1968. In his statement, he also makes reference to a missionary nurse who died in captivity. For your interest, that was Betty Olsen, a Christian Missionary Alliance nurse from New York.

In 1988 in an interview with Barbara Walters on 20/20, Jane Fonda talked about her Vietnam visit and issued what some feel was an apology but which her critics say was not enough.

Fonda said, "I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of the things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm...very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."

In 2005, Fonda published her autobiography in which she described in detail her decision to go to North Vietnam. She said it was primarily motivated by her desire to document the U.S. bombing of important dikes that, if destroyed, could kill tens of thousands of people and devastate the lives of millions. The U.S. had denied the bombings. In the book, Fonda is unapologetic about the trip or her participation in broadcasts on radio Hanoi but regrets the pictures taken of her at the gun emplacement. She said it made it appear as though she was celebrating armaments aimed at American planes, which was not how she felt and was not the context in which the pictures were taken. She reminds readers that the U.S. investigated her trip and found no reason to bring any charges against her. She also describes her longstanding support of, and interaction with, U.S. military personnel and says her only beef was with the U.S. government, not the troops.


http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hanoijane.htm

djones520
12-05-2010, 05:23 PM
Trying to figure out the differance between Snopes and Truth or Fiction on this story.

They both say the same exact thing. They both say she did speak in support of the N. Vietnamese and against the US. They both say that Jack Driscoll says the email is bullshit, and they both reference Lt. Col. Carrigan saying his part of it is all fiction as well.

Both of those websites are saying the same thing.

And Truth or Fiction also says the thing about Pres. Obama honoring her is nothing but a rumor, which Snopes also claims. Since the "honoring" being referenced took place 10 years before he became President, I'm inclined to agree.

So why is one right and the other wrong when they say the same thing?

Rockntractor
12-05-2010, 06:20 PM
If the liberals on Snopes say it is true, that's it, end of story, nothing else needed, it's the gospel, take it to the bank aha aha!!!

Phillygirl
12-05-2010, 08:27 PM
Most of the e-mail is not true. Several POW's have been on record as such. That doesn't mean that Jane Fonda isn't a piece of shit who should be spat upon if ever given the opportunity. It just means that this chain letter that has been circulating in some form or another for the past 10 years is not accurate.

Rockntractor
12-05-2010, 08:32 PM
Most of the e-mail is not true. Several POW's have been on record as such. That doesn't mean that Jane Fonda isn't a piece of shit who should be spat upon if ever given the opportunity. It just means that this chain letter that has been circulating in some form or another for the past 10 years is not accurate.

I always dump those kind of forwarded emails without reading them, same with the sentimental gushy stuff, I don't know why people send them.

djones520
12-05-2010, 08:33 PM
I always dump those kind of forwarded emails without reading them, same with the sentimental gushy stuff, I don't know why people send them.

I'm with you on that. If it says fwd it goes straight to the trash bin.

Phillygirl
12-05-2010, 10:08 PM
I always dump those kind of forwarded emails without reading them, same with the sentimental gushy stuff, I don't know why people send them.

I learned my lesson years ago, when e-mail just started to be used for chain letters. It was something about being chosen by Disney to own stock for free or some such thing. I forwarded it to my brother. He immediately e-mailed me back, telling me that he hoped I hadn't forwarded it to "100 of [my] closest friends" and then proceeded to explain to me just how stupid one would have to be to have believed that e-mail.

Since then I've frequently checked snopes or other sites when I see an interesting "story" that is forwarded to me and will sometimes let the sender know of the findings.

I've received the Jane Fonda one, in some format or another, at least 3 times from the same person.

Perhaps because I despise her so much I always point out that it's false because I don't want the beyotch to get any sympathy points by the false stories about her, and instead I do want people to know the actual treasonous acts she did commit.

Rockntractor
12-05-2010, 10:15 PM
I learned my lesson years ago, when e-mail just started to be used for chain letters. It was something about being chosen by Disney to own stock for free or some such thing. I forwarded it to my brother. He immediately e-mailed me back, telling me that he hoped I hadn't forwarded it to "100 of [my] closest friends" and then proceeded to explain to me just how stupid one would have to be to have believed that e-mail.

Since then I've frequently checked snopes or other sites when I see an interesting "story" that is forwarded to me and will sometimes let the sender know of the findings.

I've received the Jane Fonda one, in some format or another, at least 3 times from the same person.

Perhaps because I despise her so much I always point out that it's false because I don't want the beyotch to get any sympathy points by the false stories about her, and instead I do want people to know the actual treasonous acts she did commit.

I'm with you on the emails but I don't trust snopes. usually if I am curious I take part of the text in question and Google it, normally you get several varied sites that tell you what you want to know. I won't trust a liberal for even the simplest things anymore.

megimoo
12-05-2010, 10:18 PM
I'm with you on the emails but I don't trust snopes. usually if I am curious I take part of the text in question and Google it, normally you get several varied sites that tell you what you want to know. I won't trust a liberal for even the simplest things anymore.A very wise man has risen among us !

Phillygirl
12-05-2010, 10:19 PM
I'm with you on the emails but I don't trust snopes. usually if I am curious I take part of the text in question and Google it, normally you get several varied sites that tell you what you want to know. I won't trust a liberal for even the simplest things anymore.

I do that as well. Some things I will trust Snopes on. Other things that are more political in nature, I will not. I was very familiar with the Jane Fonda e-mails, so I just put up the snopes and the article there was pretty spot on, so I placed it here for a starter to explain that the e-mail was b.s. I figured nobody would believe that I talked at length about this issue with a former POW since most people want a "link" to anything that purports to refute something posted.

Rockntractor
12-05-2010, 10:26 PM
A very wise man has risen among us !

It isn't me, for all I know I may be to untrusting, it's just that they have unleashed so much on us since they took over the congress in 06 that it is hard to run my business or do anything without a hassle, every time I turn around liberals are piling more on us and lying about it, so I just have gotten to the point where if I know they are a liberal I am skeptical about their capacity to tell the truth about anything.