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bijou
12-10-2010, 12:48 PM
A Columbia University professor accused of a three-year sexual relationship with his daughter was charged with incest yesterday.

Political science professor David Epstein, 46, allegedly bedded his 24-year-old daughter between 2006 and 2009.

Epstein, who specialises in American politics and voting rights, is said to have also exchanged twisted text messages with the girl during the consensual relationship.

University spokesman Robert Hornsby said that Epstein 'is now on administrative leave and will not be teaching students'.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337416/David-Epstein-Ivy-League-professor-charged-incest-relationship-daughter.html#ixzz17jSU4nLh

Teddy Kennedy
12-10-2010, 12:56 PM
They're both "twisted".

megimoo
12-10-2010, 01:02 PM
They're both "twisted".That would follow !

PoliCon
12-10-2010, 01:06 PM
This will be used as a test case for decriminalizing incest as antiquated and puritanical. They'll use all the same arguments used to justify gay marriage.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-10-2010, 02:11 PM
Incest between close relatives (parents, siblings) should definitely be illegal.
However, cousin marriage is legal in 26 states, and while I wouldn't engage in that, I don't feel it should be illegal. Cousin marriages were actually quite common at the turn of the century both here and abroad, and research shows there's no more risk of birth defects than a woman having a child past age 35. I mean, Einstein's parents were first cousins.

wilbur
12-10-2010, 04:38 PM
This will be used as a test case for decriminalizing incest as antiquated and puritanical. They'll use all the same arguments used to justify gay marriage.

if they do.... so what?

same-sex marriage advocates often use the same arguments brought against miscegenation (because of the similar natures of the issues). should you oppose interracial marriage on those grounds?

PoliCon
12-10-2010, 04:39 PM
if they do.... so what?

same-sex marriage advocates often use the same arguments brought against miscegenation. should you oppose interracial marriage on those grounds?

I love how you idiots compare accidents of appearance to conscious choices in behavior and pretend like it's all the same thing. :rolleyes:

wilbur
12-10-2010, 04:58 PM
I love how you idiots compare accidents of appearance to conscious choices in behavior and pretend like it's all the same thing. :rolleyes:

that's not the point. we're talking arguments.

same-sex marriage opponents use most of the same arguments that have been used against interracial marriage. so you call them idiots and dismiss them.

why not do the same of folk who would advance the cause of incest. so what if they use the same arguments. call them idiots and dismiss them.

i'm sure you wouldnt oppose interracial marriage because someone else might borrow the arguments - so you shouldnt oppose same-sex marriage simply because someone might borrow their arguments either. maybe you oppose it on other grounds, but these don't seem right.

NJCardFan
12-10-2010, 10:58 PM
I love how you idiots compare accidents of appearance to conscious choices in behavior and pretend like it's all the same thing. :rolleyes:

Not to mention they make straw men building an art form.

Rockntractor
12-10-2010, 11:06 PM
Incest between close relatives (parents, siblings) should definitely be illegal.
However, cousin marriage is legal in 26 states, and while I wouldn't engage in that, I don't feel it should be illegal. Cousin marriages were actually quite common at the turn of the century both here and abroad, and research shows there's no more risk of birth defects than a woman having a child past age 35. I mean, Einstein's parents were first cousins.

Dude there are a whole lot more fish in the sea than your cousins.
Years ago transportation wasn't like it is now and groups of people were more isolated, it really makes no sense today.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-11-2010, 03:49 AM
Dude there are a whole lot more fish in the sea than your cousins.
Years ago transportation wasn't like it is now and groups of people were more isolated, it really makes no sense today.

True.
But consensual behaviors between two adults shouldn't be illegal, IMO, unless it can be proven such behaviors present a threat to the public. For example, that's why it's better that hard drugs remain illegal--Because society as a whole would suffer if they were made legal, even if there are people who would use them reasonably and not turn into addicts.

Sonnabend
12-11-2010, 03:59 AM
But consensual behaviors between two adults shouldn't be illegal, IMO, unless it can be proven such behaviors present a threat to the public.

Incest is sick. Full stop.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-11-2010, 04:28 AM
Dude there are a whole lot more fish in the sea than your cousins.
Years ago transportation wasn't like it is now and groups of people were more isolated, it really makes no sense today.


Incest is sick. Full stop.

It may be abhorrent morally, but making something illegal on that basis alone would set a dangerous precedent. Saying "it's icky, so let's illegalize it", is an emotionally driven solution and I favor rationalism over emotions when it comes to politics.

CueSi
12-11-2010, 04:41 AM
It may be abhorrent morally, but making something illegal on that basis alone would set a dangerous precedent. Saying "it's icky, so let's illegalize it", is an emotionally driven solution and I favor rationalism over emotions when it comes to politics.

She's of reproductive age..that's why it's wrong in my eyes... she's playing Russian roulette to potentially weaken her gene pool.

And who's to say he didn't groom her for this from when she was a kid? There's too much room for emotional manipulation in regards to incest from childhood onward (ESPECIALLY sibling/sibling and parent/child) for me to say that it's all cool.

~QC

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-11-2010, 05:22 AM
She's of reproductive age..that's why it's wrong in my eyes... she's playing Russian roulette to potentially weaken her gene pool.

And who's to say he didn't groom her for this from when she was a kid? There's too much room for emotional manipulation in regards to incest from childhood onward (ESPECIALLY sibling/sibling and parent/child) for me to say that it's all cool.

~QC

Oh, like I said earlier--parental or sibling incest--No. Flat out no. Keep it illegal.
I also think it should be looked into whether this girl was sexually abused as a youth. You don't just decide overnight you want to fuck your father, you know? I have a feeling he was probably molesting her from a young age and at some point it became "consensual." I say that with quotes because you're right--she has probably been brainwashed.

linda22003
12-11-2010, 05:35 AM
Dude there are a whole lot more fish in the sea than your cousins.


As Jeff Foxworthy says, "If you go to family reunions to meet women, you might be a...... " :D

NJCardFan
12-11-2010, 10:23 AM
Dude there are a whole lot more fish in the sea than your cousins.
Years ago transportation wasn't like it is now and groups of people were more isolated, it really makes no sense today.

But what if your cousin was Megan Fox? Just sayin'.

Rockntractor
12-11-2010, 10:46 AM
But what if your cousin was Megan Fox? Just sayin'.

Wear a condom!:D

Kay
12-11-2010, 11:01 AM
Sick. This reminds me of McKenzie Phillips making
the talk show rounds about the consensual long term
sex relationship she had with her father Papa Phillips.
I can't even fathom having sexual thoughts about your
own children. Those people need a bullet in the head.

Constitutionally Speaking
12-11-2010, 11:44 AM
Dude there are a whole lot more fish in the sea than your cousins.
Years ago transportation wasn't like it is now and groups of people were more isolated, it really makes no sense today.

Unless you have a REALLY hot cousin!!!



:eek:

Starbuck
12-11-2010, 11:52 AM
Unless you have a REALLY hot cousin!!!
:eek:

Yeah. Hotness trumps just about everything;)

I didn't know that Einstein's parents were first cousins, but it appears that they were.

FDR was related to Eleanor, I believe.

And Joshua Slocum, the first man to sail around the world alone, was married to a cousin.

Hitler's parents were not really cousin's though, except in the legal sense. There was a step parent in the loop.

But Father/Daughter? Nah. Serious counseling and jail time in store for these two.

Woody Allen, are you listening?

Kay
12-11-2010, 11:57 AM
Not that I care to defend Woody Allen,
but in his case that was an adopted daughter so not genetically related.

Starbuck
12-11-2010, 02:38 PM
Not that I care to defend Woody Allen,
but in his case that was an adopted daughter so not genetically related.
Yeah, that's true, of course. But in the process of adopting her he relinquished all rights, I believe, to regard her with covetous eyes and agreed to act as her father for ever and ever. I mean, he's Woody Allen. Lots of silly girls would be willing to sleep with him......he couldn't find one?!

Constitutionally Speaking
12-11-2010, 02:49 PM
Not that I care to defend Woody Allen,
but in his case that was an adopted daughter so not genetically related.


Yeah but wasn't she something like 13???

NJCardFan
12-11-2010, 03:33 PM
Yeah, that's true, of course. But in the process of adopting her he relinquished all rights, I believe, to regard her with covetous eyes and agreed to act as her father for ever and ever. I mean, he's Woody Allen. Lots of silly girls would be willing to sleep with him......he couldn't find one?!

Allen never adopted her so the point here is moot.

Kay
12-11-2010, 04:17 PM
Here's the poop on Woody Allen's deal,
NJC is right, Mia Farrow and her previous
husband had adopted her. Woody never
married Mia they just lived together I
believe. Now he is actually married to
the step daughter. Read here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon-Yi_Previn

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-11-2010, 09:20 PM
She's of reproductive age..that's why it's wrong in my eyes... she's playing Russian roulette to potentially weaken her gene pool.

And who's to say he didn't groom her for this from when she was a kid? There's too much room for emotional manipulation in regards to incest from childhood onward (ESPECIALLY sibling/sibling and parent/child) for me to say that it's all cool.

~QC


Yeah. Hotness trumps just about everything;)

I didn't know that Einstein's parents were first cousins, but it appears that they were.

FDR was related to Eleanor, I believe.

And Joshua Slocum, the first man to sail around the world alone, was married to a cousin.

Hitler's parents were not really cousin's though, except in the legal sense. There was a step parent in the loop.

But Father/Daughter? Nah. Serious counseling and jail time in store for these two.

Woody Allen, are you listening?

FDR and Eleanor were 5th cousins--which IMO isn't even really related.
Thomas Jefferson and his wife were third cousins.
John Adams and his wife were third cousins (once removed).
Edgar Allan Poe married his first cousin, Virginia Clemm. She inspired a lot of his poetry.

lacarnut
12-11-2010, 09:31 PM
Sick..
I can't even fathom having sexual thoughts about your
own children. Those people need a bullet in the head.

Plus 1

Kay
12-12-2010, 12:17 AM
The ultimate is Jerry Lee Lewis who married his 13 yr old cousin

http://www.yourememberthat.com/files/3235bc637460e5b3.jpg

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-12-2010, 12:47 AM
The ultimate is Jerry Lee Lewis who married his 13 yr old cousin

http://www.yourememberthat.com/files/3235bc637460e5b3.jpg

That's sick. She almost looks like she could be his daughter in that photo. That seems almost like a father daughter picture than a husband wife one. Ew.

m00
12-12-2010, 01:18 AM
That's sick. She almost looks like she could be his daughter in that photo. That seems almost like a father daughter picture than a husband wife one. Ew.

Was it considered sick at the time?

Rockntractor
12-12-2010, 01:22 AM
Was it considered sick at the time?

Actually it was and he caught a lot of hell for it, he was a strange bird!

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-12-2010, 01:38 AM
Was it considered sick at the time?

It pretty much ruined his career.

m00
12-12-2010, 01:41 AM
It pretty much ruined his career.

You say that as if you are some authority, but I have pretty strong hunch you looked it up on wikipedia and in fact didn't even know he had married his 13 year old cousin until Kay posted the pic.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-12-2010, 02:04 AM
You say that as if you are some authority, but I have pretty strong hunch you looked it up on wikipedia and in fact didn't even know he had married his 13 year old cousin until Kay posted the pic.

No, I knew about, being that I love classic rock and love reading all about it. He had the chance to be up there with Elvis at the time. Oh well.

Kay
12-12-2010, 08:22 AM
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NJCardFan
12-12-2010, 10:35 AM
No, I knew about, being that I love classic rock and love reading all about it. He had the chance to be up there with Elvis at the time. Oh well.

He actually had the music world at his feet when Elvis went into the Army but then he did this and it was all over for him. The movie Great Balls of Fire with Dennis Quade was a great telling of this.

Phillygirl
12-12-2010, 10:49 AM
It was quite the scandal, but probably shouldn't have been if it were put a bit more into the context of his life. He was 14 when he first got married...to a 17 year old. Myra was his third wife, and he was only 10 years older than she. Although she was his first cousin, she was first cousin, once removed. If you're from a small town, and married for the third time by the time you're 23, the pickings are pretty slim.

Jes sayin. :D