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DarkHalo
06-06-2008, 12:36 AM
And vote for John McCain?

Reason I ask is thats what I did when voting the second time for Bush and have really come to regret it.

I refuse to make that mistake again. I was just curious if anoyone was burned same as me and how far will they go to avoid making the same mistake again.

I would vote for Obama before I would McCain because at least with Democrats you know right up front what sort of traitors and cowards they are. It is 10 times worse, IMHO, when one of the supposedly 'good guys' stabs you in the back as Bush has done numerous times.

LibraryLady
06-06-2008, 12:41 AM
Not holding my nose at all. I voted for McCain in the primary.

I would NEVER vote for Obama. I value my grandaughter too much to dump his S**T on her future.

du freeper
06-06-2008, 12:42 AM
I regret two votes for Texas Governor Rick Perry, and two votes for President Bush. While Bush did a lot of things great in office, his spending and ongoing war has soured me on him.

I will not vote for McCain. I will do a write in. :cool:

DarkHalo
06-06-2008, 12:46 AM
Not holding my nose at all. I voted for McCain in the primary.

I would NEVER vote for Obama. I value my grandaughter too much to dump his S**T on her future.

Seems to me that McCain is little more than 'Bush Lite' and my frustration level with Bush is beyond description.

Besides if the economy and other things go in the shitter I would rather it was Dem that gets credit for it. :cool:

I imagine that I will 'throw away my vote' this time and vote Libertarian.

DarkHalo
06-06-2008, 12:48 AM
I regret two votes for Texas Governor Rick Perry, and two votes for President Bush. While Bush did a lot of things great in office, his spending and ongoing war has soured me on him.

I will not vote for McCain. I will do a write in. :cool:

This is a serious question: Tell me 3 things that Bush has done well. I will credit him with excellent SCOTUS picks but not much more.

du freeper
06-06-2008, 12:55 AM
This is a serious question: Tell me 3 things that Bush has done well. I will credit him with excellent SCOTUS picks but not much more.

SCOTUS as you mention is one.

Tax Cuts are two.

Kicking the Talibans ass in Afgahnistan (sp?) is three. (I don't include Iraq as one of his better ideas).

megimoo
06-06-2008, 01:17 AM
And vote for John McCain?

Reason I ask is thats what I did when voting the second time for Bush and have really come to regret it.

I refuse to make that mistake again. I was just curious if anoyone was burned same as me and how far will they go to avoid making the same mistake again.

I would vote for Obama before I would McCain because at least with Democrats you know right up front what sort of traitors and cowards they are. It is 10 times worse, IMHO, when one of the supposedly 'good guys' stabs you in the back as Bush has done numerous times.

Are you really serious about voting for Obama ?I suspect that you are actually looking to be talked out of it !
I agree these so called conservatives are totally useless but what are the alternatives.

Obama and all who follow him are Communists and are dedicated to the overthrow of America and all it stood for in the past when we actually had real conservatives.They will take our country apart and turn it over to the UN to administer and gut as a real republic.The real goal of Soros and company is to weaken America to the status of a second world country ,loot it and inflate the EU as the only strong world power.

This election cycle has been tough on both real conservatives and also on Clinton supporters who hate Obama.I don't see them actually supporting Mc Cain but they are making noises in that direction.

megimoo
06-06-2008, 01:21 AM
SCOTUS as you mention is one.

Tax Cuts are two.

Kicking the Talibans ass in Afgahnistan (sp?) is three. (I don't include Iraq as one of his better ideas).Three out of three ain't bad,is it ?

Zeus
06-06-2008, 01:21 AM
Ah yes the old 'The Republican candidate isn't conservative enough so I'm going to vote for the liberal Democrat" argument. Doesn't make a lick of sense but hey it's a free country.

Elspeth
06-06-2008, 01:28 AM
Are you really serious about voting for Obama ?I suspect that you are actually looking to be talked out of it !
I agree these so called conservatives are totally useless but what are the alternatives.

Obama and all who follow him are Communists and are dedicated to the overthrow of America and all it stood for in the past when we actually had real conservatives.They will take our country apart and turn it over to the UN to administer and gut as a real republic.The real goal of Soros and company is to weaken America to the status of a second world country ,loot it and inflate the EU as the only strong world power.

This election cycle has been tough on both real conservatives and also on Clinton supporters who hate Obama.I don't see them actually supporting Mc Cain but they are making noises in that direction.

Actually, George Soros and his sidekick, Ariana Huffington, are backing Obama.

du freeper
06-06-2008, 01:29 AM
Ah yes the old 'The Republican candidate isn't conservative enough so I'm going to vote for the liberal Democrat" argument. Doesn't make a lick of sense but hey it's a free country.

Ah Yes, the old, "vote for the lesser of two evils" will give us a Nation to be proud of won't it?

du freeper
06-06-2008, 01:33 AM
Three out of three ain't bad,is it ?

Yep, but it's the rest of the crap that makes him a bad president.

ralph wiggum
06-06-2008, 01:43 AM
Holding my nose and voting for McCain, DH.

Yeah, we know sort of what Obama will bring, but....I'm not looking forward to another Carter-esque presidency. And there's no Reagan who I can see showing up 4 years later.

Eyelids
06-06-2008, 02:08 AM
Yeah, we know sort of what Obama will bring, but....I'm not looking forward to another Carter-esque presidency. And there's no Reagan who I can see showing up 4 years later.

Thats a very big problem for the Republicans. Besides Obama the Democrats still have Brian Schwietzer who is somewhat of an unknown now (but wont be for long). Also, Chelsea Clinton many years down the road...

megimoo
06-06-2008, 07:31 AM
Yep, but it's the rest of the crap that makes him a bad president.
Don't fall for the old liberal clap_trap smoke screen.Bush did damn well for all of the harpies hounding him.Saddam and his kin are gone.Korea is under control ,Momma is out of business Russia is sputtering but mostly impotent and algore is out of our hair and still peddling his flawed climate models,Kennedy will retire,Clinton is mostly gone .We will always have problems and to expect any conservative president to be totally perfect is unrealistic.

Consider what America would look like after eight years of algore .Count our blessings ,America is still here,we have the constitution,badly dented, but we have it .The liberal/Socialists are very badly fragmented and support an mostly unelectable far_left, almost totally unknown,mystery man for POTUS and haven't much hope of winning . All in All not too bad and if GOD is willing Barry Hussein will have his ass handed to him !!

du freeper
06-06-2008, 07:40 AM
Don't fall for the old liberal clap_trap smoke screen.Bush did damn well for all of the harpies hounding him.Saddam and his kin are gone.Korea is under control ,Momma is out of business Russia is sputtering but mostly impotent and algore is out of our hair and still peddling his flawed climate models,Kennedy will retire,Clinton is mostly gone .We will always have problems and to expect any conservative president to be totally perfect is unrealistic.

Consider what America would look like after eight years of algore .Count our blessings ,America is still here,we have the constitution,badly dented, but we have it .The liberal/Socialists are very badly fragmented and support an mostly unelectable far_left, almost totally unknown,mystery man for POTUS and haven't much hope of winning . All in All not too bad and if GOD is willing Barry Hussein will have his ass handed to him !!

LOL, I don't need libs to tell me what to think. War in Iraq - shouldn't have gone there, Patriot Act - Spying on US citizens, Spending - like a drunken sailor.

megimoo
06-06-2008, 07:42 AM
Thats a very big problem for the Republicans. Besides Obama the Democrats still have Brian Schwietzer who is somewhat of an unknown now (but wont be for long). Also, Chelsea Clinton many years down the road...Who is hell is Brian Schwietzer?To call him somewhat unknown is like calling Obama the new Messiah .Is this critter someone you just made up or is he really alive, now. I am beginning to wonder about your mental health and I sure hope your college insurance has a Psychiatric care clause for you and your imaginary little friends .

megimoo
06-06-2008, 08:34 AM
LOL, I don't need libs to tell me what to think. War in Iraq - shouldn't have gone there, Patriot Act - Spying on US citizens, Spending - like a drunken sailor.Saddam was getting to be a real danger,there is evidence that he had a financial hand in the first world trade center bombing !The old man Bush 1 couldn't finish him off because the Saudi's were against it and the whole anti-Saddam block would fall apart if he tried .

I don't think that the average American needs to much fear the NSA spying on him/her as They are looking for hard core anti-American plotters.Our hum-drum little lives fail to cross the NSA interest threshold no matter what Carl Levin or 'batboy' Waxman's Oversight Committee insinuate !

With the advent of nation wide fibre optic computer/telephone switching networks and the ability to search for 'key words' in real-time they sure can listen to and record anything we say on the telephone if they care too.Most conversations are ignored and if someone bitches and moans about the government they have noticed it a million times before and ignored it .

And as I recall Reagan had to spend a bunch to destroy the old Soviet Union .This runaway liberal congress are the ones who are spending up a storm.Bush veto's as many as he politically can but the Rino's will breakaway if he veto's every spending bill he gets !

Skygod
06-06-2008, 09:02 AM
Yea, Obama's Marxist bullshit is SO much better than McCain...

[sarcasm]

No offense, OP.

Gingersnap
06-06-2008, 09:52 AM
Thats a very big problem for the Republicans. Besides Obama the Democrats still have Brian Schwietzer who is somewhat of an unknown now (but wont be for long). Also, Chelsea Clinton many years down the road...

Are you talking about the governor of Montana?

LogansPapa
06-06-2008, 10:02 AM
Wow. :eek: Such honesty about feeling it was actually a mistake to vote for GWB. Outstanding.:)

lacarnut
06-06-2008, 10:16 AM
Seems to me that McCain is little more than 'Bush Lite' and my frustration level with Bush is beyond description.

Besides if the economy and other things go in the shitter I would rather it was Dem that gets credit for it. :cool:

I imagine that I will 'throw away my vote' this time and vote Libertarian.

If Obama is elected, he will raise the Capital Gains taxes from15% to 28%. He says now that he may not want to increase it by that much. Since my house is paid for, I will sell my house if he is elected because the Democrats will mess with that exemption also.

Secondly, raising taxes will cause the economy and the stock market to go into the tank. Job losses and interest rates will go up. Be prepared to give the Feds more of your money. Can we say Carter #2.

Thirdlly, Obama and the Democrats will raise taxes on gasoline. How does $10 a gallon gasoline sound. It's 5 bucks in CA. After the Feds add their tax, the state will follow and then the oil co., distributor and station owner will add on to that amouont.

Fourthly and most importantly is the fact that Obama is weak on defense and the security of this country. The threat and prevention of terrorism is my number one concern.

I could go on and on about the new massive social programs, Warren style Supreme Court, anti-gun laws, etc. etc. that will enacted but that would just be overkill.

Conclusion: I think McCain is a first class asshole; I don't like him. But from where I stand, he is much better than Obama who is a left wing lilberal marxist.

Zafod
06-06-2008, 10:35 AM
Not holding my nose at all. I voted for McCain in the primary.

I would NEVER vote for Obama. I value my grandaughter too much to dump his S**T on her future.

I did the same. I really wish Fred had wanted this enough and fought to stay in.....

du freeper
06-06-2008, 11:24 AM
Saddam was getting to be a real danger,there is evidence that he had a financial hand in the first world trade center bombing !The old man Bush 1 couldn't finish him off because the Saudi's were against it and the whole anti-Saddam block would fall apart if he tried .

I don't think that the average American needs to much feel the NSA spying on him/her as They are looking for hard core anti-American plotters.Our hum-drum little lives fail to cross the NSA interest threshold no matter what Carl Levin or 'batboy' Waxman's Oversight Committee insinuate !

With the advent of nation wide fibre optic computer/telephone switching networks and the ability to search for 'key words' in real-time they sure can listen to and record anything we say on the telephone if they care too.Most conversations are ignored and if someone bitches and moans about the government they have noticed it a million times before and ignored it .

And as I recall Reagan had to spend a bunch to destroy the old Soviet Union .This runaway liberal congress are the ones who are spending up a storm.Bush veto's as many as he politically can but the Rino's will breakaway if he veto's every spending bill he gets !

Saddam was the UN's problem. We cleaned up their mess. There is no evidence Saddam had anything to do with 9/11.

Searches and Seizures and Wiretaps should never be allowed without a warrant.

Bush signed all the spending bills. Bush vetoed none of them to my knowledge.

LibraryLady
06-06-2008, 11:26 AM
I did the same. I really wish Fred had wanted this enough and fought to stay in.....

That was frustrating, wasn't it?

Shannon
06-06-2008, 11:43 AM
That was frustrating, wasn't it?

I'm still frustrated about that.:( 8 months ago I was wondering why McCain was still even bothering with his bid. Life is "funny" sometimes. I'll vote for him. I won't like it though.

everyman68
06-06-2008, 11:53 AM
I don't think McCain is a traitor or a coward... On defense and national security he is well within the Republican main stream and that should be the most important issue of all to everybody. Without security it doesn't matter who is on the Supreme Court or what the capital gains tax is.

I am a defense oriented pragmatic Democrat. I could not be less enthusiastic about Obama's candidacy. Hillary was right on the all isssues to me and especially on defense...She would not have cut and run on Iraq no matter what she had to say to win the primary.

lacarnut
06-06-2008, 01:21 PM
I don't think McCain is a traitor or a coward... On defense and national security he is well within the Republican main stream and that should be the most important issue of all to everybody. Without security it doesn't matter who is on the Supreme Court or what the capital gains tax is.



Bingo, we have a winner here.

Odysseus
06-06-2008, 03:02 PM
I don't think McCain is a traitor or a coward... On defense and national security he is well within the Republican main stream and that should be the most important issue of all to everybody. Without security it doesn't matter who is on the Supreme Court or what the capital gains tax is.

Agreed. Also, I didn't spend a year of my life in Iraq, missing my daughter's first steps, first birthday and a host of other things that I will never get back just to see it thrown away because the Democrats can't deal with the idea of actually winning a war. I will hold my nose and vote for McCain, or rather, against Obama.

Vepr
06-06-2008, 04:16 PM
I don't know, there is never a perfect candidate but with bar set as low as it is how do we keep getting choices like McCain - Obama? I feel that fiscal conservatives do not have a party anymore. I am content with my decision to not vote for Bush in the last two elections. He has done well on a few things but it seems for every good thing we got something like the prescription drug program or no child left behind. More than a few things passed his desk that he should have vetoed like the campaign finance reform etc. Then there is his stance on immigration. :( I don't think we should have gone into Iraq but now that we are there we need to see it through. The spending makes me ill every time I think about it. I had high hopes for Bush even though I did not vote for him but with McCain my expectations are pretty low.

As far as voting for the lesser of two evils it always gets you evil. I do not want to see Obama in the white house but maybe if the Republicans really take it on the chin they will clean up their act. If the sorry bastards keep getting voted in they will continue to act like liberals. We no longer have a conservative party. The democrats are now socialists and the republicans are now democrats. :(

I will probably end up voting libertarian again.

Defiant1
06-06-2008, 04:41 PM
And vote for John McCain?

Reason I ask is thats what I did when voting the second time for Bush and have really come to regret it.

I refuse to make that mistake again. I was just curious if anoyone was burned same as me and how far will they go to avoid making the same mistake again.

I would vote for Obama before I would McCain because at least with Democrats you know right up front what sort of traitors and cowards they are. It is 10 times worse, IMHO, when one of the supposedly 'good guys' stabs you in the back as Bush has done numerous times.


Maybe if you hold your breath and turn blue McCain will give up the nomination.

Who do you want to replace him?

CLibertarian
06-06-2008, 05:30 PM
And vote for John McCain?

Reason I ask is thats what I did when voting the second time for Bush and have really come to regret it.

I refuse to make that mistake again. I was just curious if anoyone was burned same as me and how far will they go to avoid making the same mistake again.

I would vote for Obama before I would McCain because at least with Democrats you know right up front what sort of traitors and cowards they are. It is 10 times worse, IMHO, when one of the supposedly 'good guys' stabs you in the back as Bush has done numerous times.

There is almost no chance at all that the electoral votes for my state will go to a commie...I mean...Obama. Therefore, I will probably find an independent or 3rd part Conservative for which to cast my vote.

Nubs
06-06-2008, 06:20 PM
And how the hell would things been better today if Kerry was in office??

Vepr
06-06-2008, 07:03 PM
And how the hell would things been better today if Kerry was in office??

I think a republican congress would have fought the very same things that were passed under Bush so we probably would have had less growth of federal government. The Supreme Court nominees would be the real loss. We still would have gone into ash-can-istan. We probably would not have gone into Iraq and that one can be argued both ways as a good or bad thing.

All in all I think the best and most lasting thing to come from his 8 years will be the scotus picks.

ReaganForRus
06-06-2008, 09:03 PM
SCOTUS as you mention is one.

Tax Cuts are two.

Kicking the Talibans ass in Afgahnistan (sp?) is three. (I don't include Iraq as one of his better ideas).

and I'll add his WoT gave an unexpected dividend in getting Libya to give up their nuclear weapons program.

ReaganForRus
06-06-2008, 09:08 PM
Saddam was the UN's problem. We cleaned up their mess. There is no evidence Saddam had anything to do with 9/11.

Searches and Seizures and Wiretaps should never be allowed without a warrant.

Bush signed all the spending bills. Bush vetoed none of them to my knowledge.

The searches and seizures and wiretaps are were approved under Jimmy Carter FISA guidelines. The Dems gutted American security like the always do.

ReaganForRus
06-06-2008, 09:10 PM
Maybe if you hold your breath and turn blue McCain will give up the nomination.

Who do you want to replace him?

me...............I'll make Reagan look like a piker.:D

lacarnut
06-06-2008, 09:14 PM
and I'll add his WoT gave an unexpected dividend in getting Libya to give up their nuclear weapons program.

A lot of credit to the Prez for updating the star wars program toward intercepting nukes. The Democraps will can that program once they get the chance along with other weapon advancements. Gotta take that money to pay for all those social programs.

gator
06-06-2008, 09:38 PM
Agreed. Also, I didn't spend a year of my life in Iraq, missing my daughter's first steps, first birthday and a host of other things that I will never get back just to see it thrown away because the Democrats can't deal with the idea of actually winning a war. I will hold my nose and vote for McCain, or rather, against Obama.

I spent 34 months of my youth in Vietnam and had it thrown away when the Democrats got control of the government and couldn't deal with actually winning a war.

If Obama wins all you brave Iraq war veterans will have to learn to deal with being part of a losing effort, despite serving honorably.

Shit happens. Life goes on.

FeebMaster
06-06-2008, 09:47 PM
There is almost no chance at all that the electoral votes for my state will go to a commie...

There's a pretty good chance the electoral votes for your state will go to a commie. One way or another.

MrsSmith
06-06-2008, 10:01 PM
I will never agree with everything a president does, and neither will anyone else. In point of fact, we don't even know much of what a president does until years later, all we know is what the president is able to tell us, and what the media want us to hear (endlessly.)

One thing I am sure of, though, is that I will never, ever vote either candidate that gets into an argument about which is more pro-"choice." I most certainly will never vote for a man who can't grant a born-alive infant the right to life, who doesn't know how many states we have, whose ultra-rich and ultra-lucky wife has never been proud of the country that gave her all her opportunities...or a man who was raised white, but decided to rebel and identify with African-Americans in college. To me, all I see is someone with no foundation, no solid moral stance, just hot air and lots of racists to vote for him.

du freeper
06-07-2008, 01:50 AM
I will never agree with everything a president does, and neither will anyone else. In point of fact, we don't even know much of what a president does until years later, all we know is what the president is able to tell us, and what the media want us to hear (endlessly.)

One thing I am sure of, though, is that I will never, ever vote either candidate that gets into an argument about which is more pro-"choice." I most certainly will never vote for a man who can't grant a born-alive infant the right to life, who doesn't know how many states we have, whose ultra-rich and ultra-lucky wife has never been proud of the country that gave her all her opportunities...or a man who was raised white, but decided to rebel and identify with African-Americans in college. To me, all I see is someone with no foundation, no solid moral stance, just hot air and lots of racists to vote for him.
.....

Amen!

megimoo
06-07-2008, 02:15 AM
Saddam was the UN's problem. We cleaned up their mess. There is no evidence Saddam had anything to do with 9/11.

Searches and Seizures and Wiretaps should never be allowed without a warrant.

Bush signed all the spending bills. Bush vetoed none of them to my knowledge.
The UN is so loaded with crooks as evidenced by all of the members on Saddams pay roll for a few hundred barrels of oil How could they do anything about him ?

No not 9/11 the first one with the bomb in the truck !By the time we rounded up some drunk liberal judge in bed with one of his law clerks the caller would have hang up .

How about the FBI search of Jeffersons deep freezer loaded with bribe money,was that one ok ?
Most of the bills loaded with pork Bush threatened to veto and they dropped some of the fat !With a congress loaded with incompetent fat sucking liberals and frightened RINO'S how do you expect him to win
any battles ?

du freeper
06-07-2008, 07:47 AM
The UN is so loaded with crooks as evidenced by all of the members on Saddams pay roll for a few hundred barrels of oil How could they do anything about him ?

No not 9/11 the first one with the bomb in the truck !By the time we rounded up some drunk liberal judge in bed with one of his law clerks the caller would have hang up .

How about the FBI search of Jeffersons deep freezer loaded with bribe money,was that one ok ?
Most of the bills loaded with pork Bush threatened to veto and they dropped some of the fat !With a congress loaded with incompetent fat sucking liberals and frightened RINO'S how do you expect him to win
any battles ?

The UN mandates were the ones Saddam was breaking. Not ours. You are right about the UN. But it should not have been our mess to clean up. By the way, guess who's paying for cleaning up the mess? It sure isn't the UN.

So, because some drunk liberal judge can't get his ass out of bed we should give ourselves over to unconstitutional search and seizures? "Those who give up liberty for saftey deserve neither". How do you feel about American citizen now having to show passports to return to their own Country while the illegals don't even have to show an ID to vote.

The FBI busted Jefferson yet couldn't make anything stick due to some bullcrap immunity that I reckon only Congressmen have. I'm not sure what he has to do with Bush spending though. Bush had the power to veto. Bush did not use it. Even if it was overridden, we could see who the real culprits were. But I don't believe Bush had any intention of stemming the flow of spending.

Shakespeare
06-07-2008, 08:38 AM
I don't think McCain is a traitor or a coward... On defense and national security he is well within the Republican main stream and that should be the most important issue of all to everybody. Without security it doesn't matter who is on the Supreme Court or what the capital gains tax is.

Last sentence in the quote makes the case for McCain.

lacarnut
06-07-2008, 09:30 AM
The FBI busted Jefferson yet couldn't make anything stick due to some bullcrap immunity that I reckon only Congressmen have. .

Wrong. Jefferson goes on trial this summer and unless a miracle happens, he will be convicted. The immunity only refers to his congressional office. The evidence found at his home in N.O. and D.C. is admissable.

du freeper
06-07-2008, 09:33 AM
Wrong. Jefferson goes on trial this summer and unless a miracle happens, he will be convicted. The immunity only refers to his congressional office. The evidence found at his home in N.O. and D.C. is admissable.

A miracle will happen. Sad but true. And if convict a slap on the wrist.

ralph wiggum
06-07-2008, 11:40 AM
And how the hell would things been better today if Kerry was in office??

Chimpeachment!!!! :D

ReaganForRus
06-07-2008, 11:52 AM
Thats a very big problem for the Republicans. Besides Obama the Democrats still have Brian Schwietzer who is somewhat of an unknown now (but wont be for long). Also, Chelsea Clinton many years down the road...

lids, na................Chelsea will go to the wayside like the Kennedys, Bushes, and the Clintons.........the country is tired of these families and we Americans like to have elected leaders and not First families selected for us. As to the Republicans, If I was a democrat, I'd be very, very afraid of the a rising star in the Republican party, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana. With the strides he is making in the post Blanco era in Baton Rouge, he will more than likely be the Republican standard bearer in as little as four years. Think Reagan except Jindal is in his forties:D

ReaganForRus
06-07-2008, 11:58 AM
The UN mandates were the ones Saddam was breaking. Not ours. You are right about the UN. But it should not have been our mess to clean up. By the way, guess who's paying for cleaning up the mess? It sure isn't the UN.

So, because some drunk liberal judge can't get his ass out of bed we should give ourselves over to unconstitutional search and seizures? "Those who give up liberty for saftey deserve neither". How do you feel about American citizen now having to show passports to return to their own Country while the illegals don't even have to show an ID to vote.

The FBI busted Jefferson yet couldn't make anything stick due to some bullcrap immunity that I reckon only Congressmen have. I'm not sure what he has to do with Bush spending though. Bush had the power to veto. Bush did not use it. Even if it was overridden, we could see who the real culprits were. But I don't believe Bush had any intention of stemming the flow of spending.

Actually William Jefferson has been indicted and awaiting trial shortly. What is now coming to the fore is just how corrupt William Jefferson is when he has four family members arrested and awaiting indictments and trial on fraud and corruption. You have to love Louisiana Democratic politicians.:D

du freeper
06-07-2008, 09:31 PM
Actually William Jefferson has been indicted and awaiting trial shortly. What is now coming to the fore is just how corrupt William Jefferson is when he has four family members arrested and awaiting indictments and trial on fraud and corruption. You have to love Louisiana Democratic politicians.:D

I hope you and LACARNUT are correct. I just see him weasleing out of it due to his position in the government. :cool:

SaintLouieWoman
06-08-2008, 11:07 AM
Not holding my nose at all. I voted for McCain in the primary.

I would NEVER vote for Obama. I value my grandaughter too much to dump his S**T on her future.
Totally agree with you, well, almost agree. I'll be holding my nose a bit, but value my kids too much to have the country go down so quickly with Obama. It's the type change we don't need.

SaintLouieWoman
06-08-2008, 11:15 AM
There is almost no chance at all that the electoral votes for my state will go to a commie...I mean...Obama. Therefore, I will probably find an independent or 3rd part Conservative for which to cast my vote.

Dangerous thinking there. Wouldn't you hate if Obama carried your state by one vote? I think the demographics are shifting everywhere. There might not be a safe state. Please reconsider.

Odysseus
06-08-2008, 12:12 PM
I spent 34 months of my youth in Vietnam and had it thrown away when the Democrats got control of the government and couldn't deal with actually winning a war.
If Obama wins all you brave Iraq war veterans will have to learn to deal with being part of a losing effort, despite serving honorably.
Shit happens. Life goes on.

Then you should understand why I'm voting against Obama.

IanMartins
06-08-2008, 12:18 PM
Always vote on principle. While its not realistic to believe that a third party candidate will be elected to office, it does show the GOP that it can't take right-wing voters for granted. As long as they get away with that, they'll have everything to gain from appealing to more liberal voters in the future. Show them that there's votes to gain by moving back towards the right. In a sense it'll be a victory for right-wing voters if McCain doesn't win this election -- if he does, he may set the standard for future liberal GOP candidates. If he doesn't, you may be able to vote for a true GOP republican in 2012. You'll never accomplish anything if all you do is hold your nose and vote for a lesser evil in every election. The long-term benefits must take precedence over the short-term ones.

MrsSmith
06-08-2008, 06:20 PM
Always vote on principle. While its not realistic to believe that a third party candidate will be elected to office, it does show the GOP that it can't take right-wing voters for granted. As long as they get away with that, they'll have everything to gain from appealing to more liberal voters in the future. Show them that there's votes to gain by moving back towards the right. In a sense it'll be a victory for right-wing voters if McCain doesn't win this election -- if he does, he may set the standard for future liberal GOP candidates. If he doesn't, you may be able to vote for a true GOP republican in 2012. You'll never accomplish anything if all you do is hold your nose and vote for a lesser evil in every election. The long-term benefits must take precedence over the short-term ones.

If most of the country really wanted a right-wing candidate, Duncan Hunter or Huckabee would be in McCain's spot.

lacarnut
06-08-2008, 07:53 PM
If most of the country really wanted a right-wing candidate, Duncan Hunter or Huckabee would be in McCain's spot.

Correct plus how many right wingers or left winger have been elected in the last 30 years. None. Independents are the ones that swing the balance to one candidate or the other. They do not want cadidates with extreme positions on either side. Unfortunately, conservatives do not understand that. McCain won the primaries because he appealed to the middle. I am a right winger but I do have enough sense to realize that McCain has a better chance of defeating Obama than any other politician unless you want to dig up Reagan. Between the low approval of Prez Bush, the economy, high gas prices housing & credit mess and its a miracle that McCain is not 30 points behind.

It is my opinion that if Obama is elected,the US will be attacked because the terrorists see weakness in a Democratic liberal Prez. Protecting this country against terrorism and keeping it safe should be everyones number one issue. McCain's experience significantly surpasses Obama who has none.

MrsSmith
06-08-2008, 08:09 PM
Correct plus how many right wingers or left winger have been elected in the last 30 years. None. Independents are the ones that swing the balance to one candidate or the other. They do not want cadidates with extreme positions on either side. Unfortunately, conservatives do not understand that. McCain won the primaries because he appealed to the middle. I am a right winger but I do have enough sense to realize that McCain has a better chance of defeating Obama than any other politician unless you want to dig up Reagan. Between the low approval of Prez Bush, the economy, high gas prices housing & credit mess and its a miracle that McCain is not 30 points behind.

It is my opinion that if Obama is elected,the US will be attacked because the terrorists see weakness in a Democratic liberal Prez. Protecting this country against terrorism and keeping it safe should be everyones number one issue. McCain's experience significantly surpasses Obama who has none.

Well, with the media screaming about the horrible economy non-stop, yeah. Other than that, the housing crisis was a given, all it took was one downturn. I still can't believe so many lenders, let alone buyers, fell for the idea that prices would never fall. :rolleyes: I really think that most of the rest, the high oil prices, weak dollar, etc, would go away if the media weren't so intent on hammering away at the economy. Investors have to be the most cowardly creatures on earth, so naturally the media crap is messing with their heads.

Lanie
06-08-2008, 09:42 PM
Totally agree with you, well, almost agree. I'll be holding my nose a bit, but value my kids too much to have the country go down so quickly with Obama. It's the type change we don't need.

You honestly believe the country will go down if Obama is President? You do realize that was the mentality of all those who were so strongly against Bush?

FeebMaster
06-08-2008, 10:34 PM
You honestly believe the country will go down if Obama is President? You do realize that was the mentality of all those who were so strongly against Bush?

It's the mentality of Republicans and Democrats every election.

Boring, tiresome, annoying, and a bit effective.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-09-2008, 06:43 AM
You honestly believe the country will go down if Obama is President? You do realize that was the mentality of all those who were so strongly against Bush?

I have no doubt that Obama would destroy this country as we know it.

The difference is we have evidence of past policies that Obama is pushing, and the Democrats simply made shit up against our President.

Lanie
06-09-2008, 08:38 AM
I have no doubt that Obama would destroy this country as we know it.

The difference is we have evidence of past policies that Obama is pushing, and the Democrats simply made shit up against our President.

And the other side sees it as the vice versa.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-09-2008, 08:54 PM
And the other side sees it as the vice versa.


They may say so, but they have NOTHING. I've seen it.

MrsSmith
06-09-2008, 10:37 PM
And the other side sees it as the vice versa.

The other side thinks that leaving the laws "as is" for a few years will destroy the country. So will paying for healthcare, drving SUVs, wearing fur coats, and giving children the right to life. :rolleyes:

djones520
06-10-2008, 09:18 PM
No hesitation at all about voting for McCain. But then again I'm just a neocon, so what did you expect?

gator
06-10-2008, 09:37 PM
No hesitation at all about voting for McCain. But then again I'm just a neocon, so what did you expect?

Not much!!!!

djones520
06-10-2008, 10:01 PM
Not much!!!!

You ask your son who he's voting for?

du freeper
06-11-2008, 07:22 AM
No hesitation at all about voting for McCain. But then again I'm just a neocon, so what did you expect?

LOL, I'm a conservative republican who can think about who I vote for. I don't have to vote the "neocon" party meme that our Nation will be destroyed if we don't choose another neocon. Our Nation will go down the shitter with both.