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megimoo
12-13-2010, 06:20 PM
Detroit Is Halting Garbage Pickup, Police Patrols In 20% Of City: Expect Bankruptcy In 2011

Detroit has been bankrupt for years. It simply refuses to admit it. Detroit's schools are bankrupt as well. A mere 25% of students graduate from high school.

Yet, in spite of hints and threats from mayors and budget commissions, and in spite of common sense talk of bankruptcy, Detroit has not pulled the bankruptcy trigger.

In a futile attempt to stave off the inevitable one last time, Mayor Bing's latest plan is to cutoff city services including road repairs, police patrols, street lights, and garbage collection in 20% of Detroit.


http://www.businessinsider.com/detroit-garbage-pickup-bankruptcy-2010-12

Madisonian
12-13-2010, 07:02 PM
As a Michighanistanovianist that does not live in the Wayne, Oakland, Macomb county area, I agree with the bankruptcy supporters.
Detroit has been sucking the life out of the rest of the state since the 60's and Coleman A. Young. I don't care if Illitch buys the Pistons and brings them downtown or how many casinos they build, until Detroit faces the fact they are broke and gets rid of the funding and pension liabilities it has incurred, the state cannot heal.

For a lot of years Detroit led the advancement of this country with its manufacturing and technology. It is now in the forefront of its decline.
The rest of the country should take note. This is not the only "Detroit" in our country. There are a lot of cities in the same boat.

NJCardFan
12-13-2010, 07:23 PM
*Sigh* Is there not a major urban area that is not on the brink of bankruptcy?

Rockntractor
12-13-2010, 07:25 PM
*Sigh* Is there not a major urban area that is not on the brink of bankruptcy?
Bald Hill Oklahoma.

NJCardFan
12-13-2010, 07:32 PM
Bald Hill Oklahoma.

I stand corrected. :D

Rockntractor
12-13-2010, 08:17 PM
I stand corrected. :D

Well kinda, population 99 since Walter White died two years back!:D

AmPat
12-13-2010, 09:09 PM
Just wait until the "too big to fail" states declare bankruptcy. Who foots the bill? That's right, the federal gov't via our tax money. We are broke nation wide so it doesn't look good. The have nots have nearly depleted the national treasury. Who do they loot next?

m00
12-13-2010, 09:28 PM
Just wait until the "too big to fail" states declare bankruptcy. Who foots the bill? That's right, the federal gov't via our tax money. We are broke nation wide so it doesn't look good. The have nots have nearly depleted the national treasury. Who do they loot next?

Well, Obama could always sign us on to the Euro and we could get a fat bailout from Germany and France.

noonwitch
12-14-2010, 09:14 AM
The Detroit Public Schools would dispute that 25% graduation rate. Most of the stats around here are at about 35-40%, which is still pretty abysmal. I'm not sure if my high school's dropout rate was even more than a fraction, especially if I were to count the kids who started freshman year with me but ended up graduating a year later. I don't consider kids in that group to be dropouts.


Outstate people have been bitching about Detroit for decades, ever since they abandoned it and took all the money and jobs with them.

I hope Illitch does buy the Pistons and moves them dowtown. It would be a good thing. I only supported having one casino, though, back when we voted on it the first time. I didn't think that pinning the recovery of a city on an industry that preys on stupid and vulnerable people was a good thing. I thought having one in Greektown would be okay, because it would build on an area of downtown that people already were coming to for dining and music (and belly dances).

Madisonian
12-14-2010, 09:23 AM
The Detroit Public Schools would dispute that 25% graduation rate. Most of the stats around here are at about 35-40%, which is still pretty abysmal. I'm not sure if my high school's dropout rate was even more than a fraction, especially if I were to count the kids who started freshman year with me but ended up graduating a year later. I don't consider kids in that group to be dropouts.


Outstate people have been bitching about Detroit for decades, ever since they abandoned it and took all the money and jobs with them.

I hope Illitch does buy the Pistons and moves them dowtown. It would be a good thing. I only supported having one casino, though, back when we voted on it the first time. I didn't think that pinning the recovery of a city on an industry that preys on stupid and vulnerable people was a good thing. I thought having one in Greektown would be okay, because it would build on an area of downtown that people already were coming to for dining and music (and belly dances).

We did not abandon Detroit, Hizzoner Coleman A. Young threw us out. He made sure that Detroit was to be a "chocolate city" long before Ray Nagin ever used the term.
Even now, it is the outstate and suburbanites that are the only ones bringing money into the city.
The rest of the state could do a lot better without Detroit than Detroit can do without the rest of the state.

Illitch buying the Pistons will only be a good thing IF he does not go to the city or state for any form of public funding or tax increases to pay for a future stadium. We are still paying for the Silverdome after we built it for our perennial disappointment know as the Lions.
If Illitch or anyone who buys the Pistons wants the public to foot the bill in any way, shape or form, then they can take it to another state or country willing to pay.
While I have no anomosity towards Illitch for his business dealings with his holdings including Motor City Casino, the Tigers, Redwings and the rest, I do not feel the same when it comes to subsidizing their hobbies with tax dollars.

noonwitch
12-14-2010, 11:32 AM
We did not abandon Detroit, Hizzoner Coleman A. Young threw us out. He made sure that Detroit was to be a "chocolate city" long before Ray Nagin ever used the term.
Even now, it is the outstate and suburbanites that are the only ones bringing money into the city.
The rest of the state could do a lot better without Detroit than Detroit can do without the rest of the state.

Illitch buying the Pistons will only be a good thing IF he does not go to the city or state for any form of public funding or tax increases to pay for a future stadium. We are still paying for the Silverdome after we built it for our perennial disappointment know as the Lions.
If Illitch or anyone who buys the Pistons wants the public to foot the bill in any way, shape or form, then they can take it to another state or country willing to pay.
While I have no anomosity towards Illitch for his business dealings with his holdings including Motor City Casino, the Tigers, Redwings and the rest, I do not feel the same when it comes to subsidizing their hobbies with tax dollars.






1. Coleman Young was elected to office in 1973, and took office as mayor in 1974. The "white flight" began following the riots in 1967, and was pretty much complete by the time Coleman took office. If it hadn't been, Coleman would never have been elected to begin with.

2. When did Coleman Young throw the white people out? He told the criminals, whether they were wearing Superfly suits or blue uniforms, to "hit 8 Mile Road". He described a metropolitan community as being a layer cake, not Detroit as a "chocolate city". The white people left, for the most part, before he even took office, so again, it's a moot point.

3. The 1967 riots that scared the white people away were actually limited to a very small part of town, and were preceded by a particularly brutal act by white cops while raiding an illegal drinking establishment in a black neighborhood.


The mayors during the white flight period were Jerome Kavanagh and Roman Gribbs. Coleman Young was a lot of things, including a smart crook who was never caught or indicted, but not everything is his fault.

Public funding of Ford Field and Comerica Park was approved by Michigan voters. It was a state-wide vote, and at the same time, the voters approved funding for the ball park in Grand Rapids, for their minor league team. State money helps out other cities, not just Detroit. But, despite the drop in population, Detroit remains the largest city in the state. Between Detroit and the 3rd largest city (Warren), there are about a million voters.

Mike Illitch knows that if he buys the Pistons, he's stuck with the Palace lease for now, because no one has any money for a new basketball/hockey arena in downtown at this point, unless he and Quiken loans want to pay for it.

AmPat
12-14-2010, 05:01 PM
Well, Obama could always sign us on to the Euro and we could get a fat bailout from Germany and France.
I thought about this. You may be on to something. I called to get a read ahead on this. I didn't have time to call all of the European countries so I only called a couple. So far neither Greece or Ireland has returned my call.:( Maybe I'll call Spain and Portugal next. :cool:

MountainMan
12-14-2010, 07:54 PM
I have the perfect solution that will cure Detroit and most of Michigan of all their problems.

They need to immediately:

1. Raise the state income tax for those millionaires and billionaires that obviously don't pay enough and who can afford to pay "their fair share".

2. Raise the state estate tax up to 55% above the first million of estate value. According to Rep. Weiner, they are dead anyways and can't use the money and nor shall their children. It doesn't matter that it has already been taxed either.

3. Institute a state capital gains tax on all capital gains earned within the state of Michigan.

4. Institute the highest state "corporate tax" in the nation to force those greedy corporations to pay THEIR fair share.

Doing these things immediately, especially at the start of the new year, I am sure will insure financial success at the state level.

Rockntractor
12-14-2010, 08:48 PM
I have the perfect solution that will cure Detroit and most of Michigan of all their problems.

They need to immediately:

1. Raise the state income tax for those millionaires and billionaires that obviously don't pay enough and who can afford to pay "their fair share".

2. Raise the state estate tax up to 55% above the first million of estate value. According to Rep. Weiner, they are dead anyways and can't use the money and nor shall their children. It doesn't matter that it has already been taxed either.

3. Institute a state capital gains tax on all capital gains earned within the state of Michigan.

4. Institute the highest state "corporate tax" in the nation to force those greedy corporations to pay THEIR fair share.

Doing these things immediately, especially at the start of the new year, I am sure will insure financial success at the state level.

Brilliant Mauweiman!:D

AmPat
12-15-2010, 09:28 AM
I agree. This is such an obvious formula for success. Why didn't the liberals who run this state think of this?

noonwitch
12-15-2010, 04:53 PM
I have the perfect solution that will cure Detroit and most of Michigan of all their problems.

They need to immediately:

1. Raise the state income tax for those millionaires and billionaires that obviously don't pay enough and who can afford to pay "their fair share".

2. Raise the state estate tax up to 55% above the first million of estate value. According to Rep. Weiner, they are dead anyways and can't use the money and nor shall their children. It doesn't matter that it has already been taxed either.

3. Institute a state capital gains tax on all capital gains earned within the state of Michigan.

4. Institute the highest state "corporate tax" in the nation to force those greedy corporations to pay THEIR fair share.

Doing these things immediately, especially at the start of the new year, I am sure will insure financial success at the state level.


What we need is a tax incentive that is tied to hiring Michigan residents. Detroit needs a focus that starts with the schools on small business development, and includes mentoring by successful small business owners.

AmPat
12-15-2010, 05:58 PM
What we need is a tax incentive that is tied to hiring Michigan residents. Detroit needs a focus that starts with the schools on small business development, and includes mentoring by successful small business owners.

What would Detroit market to the nation or world?

m00
12-15-2010, 09:09 PM
What would Detroit market to the nation or world?

I don't think the world has enough union labor, maybe we could sell China some of that.

Madisonian
12-16-2010, 07:57 AM
What we need is a tax incentive that is tied to hiring Michigan residents. Detroit needs a focus that starts with the schools on small business development, and includes mentoring by successful small business owners.

One thing Detroit could do is stop taxing non-residents that work in the city. Companies and their employees might be more inclined to work in Detroit and stick around and spend money at the shops, restaurants and the like if they were not charged 1.25% for the dubious priviledge of working there.

noonwitch
12-16-2010, 08:52 AM
What would Detroit market to the nation or world?



Medicinal Marijuana. :)


Food, music, art, whatever. People have talent and skills, but no ideas on how to use them to make money.