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Rockntractor
12-18-2010, 10:28 PM
I am not asking what should be legal and what should not, I am just asking what do you feel is unacceptable sexual behavior, what do you think crosses the line, vote for as many as you want. Confidential of course.

megimoo
12-18-2010, 10:31 PM
I am not asking what should be legal and what should not, I am just asking what do you feel is unacceptable sexual behavior, what do you think crosses the line, vote for as many as you want. Confidential of course.To be at least partially confidential you need a poll .

Rockntractor
12-18-2010, 10:32 PM
To be at least partially confidential you need a poll .

It takes a few minutes to lay out.

Bleda
12-18-2010, 10:32 PM
What do you mean? Do you mean what sexual practices do I find morally unacceptable, or when do I find sexual behavior unacceptable (such as when it's done in front of children)?

Bleda
12-18-2010, 10:36 PM
Oh, I see. I chose #3, #5, #7. ;)

Rockntractor
12-18-2010, 10:37 PM
What do you mean? Do you mean what sexual practices do I find morally unacceptable, or when do I find sexual behavior unacceptable (such as when it's done in front of children)?

I'm not saying only what you would do, what do you think is unexceptable sexual behavior in others in the society around you. As to legality that would be a topic for another poll.

m00
12-18-2010, 10:41 PM
do you mean thoughts or actions

Bleda
12-18-2010, 10:42 PM
I'm not saying only what you would do, what do you think is unexceptable sexual behavior in others in the society around you. As to legality that would be a topic for another poll.

Yeah, the poll took a while to appear. I listed my choices in the post above; sorry, I didn't know the votes were supposed to be confidential. :o

Rockntractor
12-18-2010, 10:43 PM
do you mean thoughts or actions

Actions

Rockntractor
12-18-2010, 10:44 PM
Yeah, the poll took a while to appear. I listed my choices in the post above; sorry, I didn't know the votes were supposed to be confidential. :o
Everyone is looking in their phone directory for Bleda!:eek:

Kay
12-18-2010, 10:54 PM
I voted all but sex before marriage & (normal) pornography.
I say "normal porn" meaning your average penthouse / playboy type stuff.
I would say deviant porn stuff crosses the line.

Adam Wood
12-18-2010, 10:55 PM
Still a little vague to me as a question. I went with the two answers that are absolute definites of mine regardless of the scope of the question: pedophilia and bestiality, because those are the two cases in which there cannot be a consenting adult on the "receiving" end.

Lots of stuff there that I don't support, such as incest or marital infidelity, but there are (generally) consenting adults involved in these cases. I may not agree with it, but that doesn't mean that it "crosses the line" with me since I still don't exactly understand what "the line" is.

Rockntractor
12-18-2010, 11:00 PM
Still a little vague to me as a question. I went with the two answers that are absolute definites of mine regardless of the scope of the question: pedophilia and bestiality, because those are the two cases in which there cannot be a consenting adult on the "receiving" end.

Lots of stuff there that I don't support, such as incest or marital infidelity, but there are (generally) consenting adults involved in these cases. I may not agree with it, but that doesn't mean that it "crosses the line" with me since I still don't exactly understand what "the line" is.

Everyone whether they admit it or not has established in his own mind what they consider to be normal or acceptable. The line is different for each of us. It isn't a question of support or legality.

Kay
12-18-2010, 11:02 PM
That was the whole point of the question I believe.
To see where each of us would draw the line.

Adam Wood
12-18-2010, 11:06 PM
I'm not saying only what you would do, what do you think is unexceptable sexual behavior in others in the society around you. As to legality that would be a topic for another poll.OK, just saw this definition of "the line."

Hmmmm....



Assuming that it's in their own homes and not out on the street in San Francisco, I think I'm OK with everything on the list except for incest, bestiality, prostitution (don't remember if that's on the list or not), and probably some forms of S&M that I consider beyond the "consenting adult" phase (and that's a Potter Stewart definition, I know). I don't like people cheating on their spouse, I don't like homosexuality, I don't really like the idea of sadism or masochism, but I don't consider it my business so long as everyone is actually consenting and no one actually gets hurt.

Now, that last sentence gets tricky, because there are WAY too many cases of homosexuals out there preying upon the young to entice them into that often destructive lifestyle, but I can't cast out the baby with the bathwater and say that two 35-year-old guys shouldn't be able to do what they want, so long as they do it at home, in private, and keep it out of the public eye, and accept responsibility for what their aberrant behavior may bring upon them (e.g. HIV, syphilis, herpes, etc.).

I don't really make much differentiation between pederasty and pedophilia. The power dynamic is still there no matter what, whether gay or straight.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-19-2010, 12:16 AM
Incest, Pedophilia, Bestiality.
The others are very vague. I mean a normal marital couple engage in masochism and exhibitionism and still be a 'normal' married couple for all intents and purposes otherwise and outside of the bedroom--Some people are just really kinky. Cheating, while it's nothing something I'd do, I can understand in a very few, select circumstances. Pornography is fine. Homosexuality doesn't really bother me, especially female homosexuality.

I've engaged in sex before marriage so I can't chastise others for it.

NJCardFan
12-19-2010, 12:17 AM
Here are my choices:

cheating on spouse-For starters, there is a reason why you take a vow. Also, consenting adults or not, something that could break up a family is not cool.

exhibitionism-I really don't need to see this stuff in public.

pedophilia-No explanation needed.

incest-Eww

bestiality-EwwX2

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-19-2010, 12:19 AM
Here are my choices:

cheating on spouse-For starters, there is a reason why you take a vow. Also, consenting adults or not, something that could break up a family is not cool.

exhibitionism-I really don't need to see this stuff in public.

pedophilia-No explanation needed.

incest-Eww

bestiality-EwwX2

Sometimes couples use exhibitionism, in a fetishistic way, privately. Unless the OP means stuff like public nudism....

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 12:20 AM
Sometimes couples use exhibitionism, in a fetishistic way, privately. Unless the OP means stuff like public nudism....

Public nudism.

Bleda
12-19-2010, 12:22 AM
exhibitionism-I really don't need to see this stuff in public.

I'm no expert on that, but I don't think it necessarily means doing it in the park in front of strangers. I think it just means doing it in front of people, such as in a private 'sex room' or some such. But I could, of course, be wrong.

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 12:24 AM
I'm no expert on that, but I don't think it necessarily means doing it in the park in front of strangers. I think it just means doing it in front of people, such as in a private 'sex room' or some such. But I could, of course, be wrong.

That would be public, but is not everyone consenting?

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-19-2010, 12:28 AM
Public nudism.

Ok, I'm against that lol.

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 12:29 AM
Ok, I'm against that lol.

I am too, I'm kind of like I didn't ask to be included in this.:D

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-19-2010, 12:32 AM
I am too, I'm kind of like I didn't ask to be included in this.:D

If it's a hot, nubile young woman I might be OK with it....

PoliCon
12-19-2010, 12:34 AM
I am not asking what should be legal and what should not, I am just asking what do you feel is unacceptable sexual behavior, what do you think crosses the line, vote for as many as you want. Confidential of course.

What I am willing to accept and what I am willing to tolerate are two different things. Most of those things I do not at all accept. Some of them, however, I am willing to be tolerant towards.

Bleda
12-19-2010, 12:40 AM
That would be public, but is not everyone consenting?

Yeah. A lot of options in the poll are vague. It depends on the circumstances.

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 12:46 AM
Yeah. A lot of options in the poll are vague. It depends on the circumstances.

That is what is nice about being able to comment, things continue to come up that you may no consider when laying out the poll and besides you can't include everything in each question or it would turn into a book.
People have reasons and experiences that cause them to establish their lines of acceptance.

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 12:49 AM
What I am willing to accept and what I am willing to tolerate are two different things. Most of those things I do not at all accept. Some of them, however, I am willing to be tolerant towards.

When this poll is done I will probably reword another poll as to what we think should be legally acceptable.

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 12:51 AM
If it's a hot, nubile young woman I might be OK with it....

Such as a wardrobe malfunction at the beach.:)

FeebMaster
12-19-2010, 01:23 AM
I only voted for pedophilia on the grounds of consent.

I might not find some of the others particularly tasteful and wouldn't engage in most of them myself, but I don't really care if you do.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-19-2010, 01:25 AM
I only voted for pedophilia on the grounds of consent.

I might not find some of the others particularly tasteful and wouldn't engage in most of them myself, but I don't really care if you do.

What about bestiality?

PoliCon
12-19-2010, 01:25 AM
Seems to me that a lot of people are confusing what you are asking Rock . . . . :( There is a HUGE difference between TOLERANCE and ACCEPTANCE guys. The question is not what would you tolerate - but what are you willing to accept.

FeebMaster
12-19-2010, 01:31 AM
What about bestiality?

I'm not really into it, but knock yourself out.

Bleda
12-19-2010, 01:31 AM
What about bestiality?

What about it? The "consent" argument doesn't really apply, since I'm sure you're okay with owning and castrating dogs without their consent. So why not screwing them?

PoliCon
12-19-2010, 01:34 AM
I'm not really into it, but knock yourself out.

so are you willing to accept it as a valid choice?

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 01:42 AM
Seems to me that a lot of people are confusing what you are asking Rock . . . . :( There is a HUGE difference between TOLERANCE and ACCEPTANCE guys. The question is not what would you tolerate - but what are you willing to accept.

With a lot of people what they accept and tolerate around them are one and the same, I stay away from people and leave them alone if they are outside of my line of acceptance. Not everyone has your dichotomy although I'm sure there are many that do.

FeebMaster
12-19-2010, 01:49 AM
so are you willing to accept it as a valid choice?

Sure. If you want to bang fido or become semi-famous after a horse perforates your colon, be my guest.

PoliCon
12-19-2010, 01:50 AM
With a lot of people what they accept and tolerate around them are one and the same, I stay away from people and leave them alone if they are outside of my line of acceptance. Not everyone has your dichotomy although I'm sure there are many that do.

Dichotomy? You mean in believing that there is a difference between tolerance and acceptance?

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-19-2010, 01:52 AM
What about it? The "consent" argument doesn't really apply, since I'm sure you're okay with owning and castrating dogs without their consent. So why not screwing them?

The same argument could be made for a mentally retarded person, or even a child. Neither of them can validly give consent to anything, just as an animal can't. Can a child or baby give consent to get vaccination shots? Can a baby boy give consent to be circumsized?
That's why I feel it's equally wrong. In all three cases, you're fucking something that can't say no.

AmPat
12-19-2010, 09:41 AM
OMG, I'm a prude, I checked all of them!
I guess never having to worry about a law suit, arrest, public humiliation, loss of a job, losing my marriage, and embarrassing my family are boring to some but it works well for me.

Kay
12-19-2010, 10:31 AM
What is scary is that as of now 20 have voted,
but only 19 think pedophilia and bestiality cross the line.
That means one of you here is accepting of those. :eek:

FBIGuy might like a word with you......

FeebMaster
12-19-2010, 12:04 PM
The same argument could be made for a mentally retarded person, or even a child. Neither of them can validly give consent to anything, just as an animal can't. Can a child or baby give consent to get vaccination shots? Can a baby boy give consent to be circumsized?
That's why I feel it's equally wrong. In all three cases, you're fucking something that can't say no.

Animals aren't people. They're property.




What is scary is that as of now 20 have voted,
but only 19 think pedophilia and bestiality cross the line.
That means one of you here is accepting of those. :eek:

FBIGuy might like a word with you......

What should really weird you out is that whoever didn't vote for pedophilia had to have voted for bestiality.

djones520
12-19-2010, 12:20 PM
Now cheating on the spouse, does that include all extra-marital sex, or extra-marital sex that your spouse is not aware of?

I am finding it interesting that only 8 out of 22 think Homosexual sex it unnacceptable though. Much lower then I would have thought.

NJCardFan
12-19-2010, 12:26 PM
Now cheating on the spouse, does that include all extra-marital sex, or extra-marital sex that your spouse is not aware of?

Is there a difference?

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 12:32 PM
Is there a difference?

This is a question that Christine O'Donnell brought to the surface., many in the Christian community now say there is no difference, the secular community says there is a difference.

NJCardFan
12-19-2010, 12:38 PM
This is a question that Christine O'Donnell brought to the surface., many in the Christian community now say there is no difference, the secular community says there is a difference.

How is it different? Cheating is cheating whether or not the offended party knows about it. At least one of you know about it. So the belief is that it's only cheating if you get caught?

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 12:42 PM
How is it different? Cheating is cheating whether or not the offended party knows about it. At least one of you know about it. So the belief is that it's only cheating if you get caught?

I'm sorry, I must be half as asleep , I thought you were referring to masturbation.

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 12:44 PM
Now cheating on the spouse, does that include all extra-marital sex, or extra-marital sex that your spouse is not aware of?

I am finding it interesting that only 8 out of 22 think Homosexual sex it unnacceptable though. Much lower then I would have thought.

It is actually about where I expected, I wish everyone would vote because I doubt we have an accurate representation yet.

djones520
12-19-2010, 01:06 PM
So we aren't counting "swinging" in with cheating then? I didn't select that, because I was including that in with the cheating. Without it, then I do find "cheating" to be unnacceptable as well.

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 01:15 PM
So we aren't counting "swinging" in with cheating then? I didn't select that, because I was including that in with the cheating. Without it, then I do find "cheating" to be unnacceptable as well.

Absolute definitions as to each category are up to the individual, this survey is limited by our own understanding.

Wei Wu Wei
12-19-2010, 01:22 PM
I consider many of these morally wrong or questionable but I feel the rule of law should step in on the boundaries of consent.

Exhibitionism, Pedophilia, and Bestiality involve non-consensual victims, so here is where the law is appropriate.

(exhibitionism as in showing yourself to unsuspecting victims, not having peepshows with other willing adults)

Apache
12-19-2010, 01:25 PM
What is scary is that as of now 20 have voted,
but only 19 think pedophilia and bestiality cross the line.
That means one of you here is accepting of those. :eek:

FBIGuy might like a word with you......

I agree with you Kay :(

Wei Wu Wei
12-19-2010, 01:26 PM
Animals aren't people. They're property.


This is tricky. Part of me says they cannot consent because they are animals and they are still treated as beings with value and the ability to suffer (hence cruelty to animals laws). However, we use them for unpaid labor and other things that are considered wrong for humans. Still, I think protection laws can apply to beings against non-consensual even if they are not Full Legal Persons.

Then again....I don't exactly know the mechanics of it, but I'm not sure how some people can get it on with a large strong animal like a horse, if the horse doesn't want to.....


Either way, they cannot consent as the law recognizes consent so there you go.

Wei Wu Wei
12-19-2010, 01:28 PM
What is scary is that as of now 20 have voted,
but only 19 think pedophilia and bestiality cross the line.
That means one of you here is accepting of those. :eek:

FBIGuy might like a word with you......

Well some people might be thinking of pedophilia as the attraction towards children, rather than the actual violent criminal act of raping a child. Is someone a pedophile if their sexual desire only functions through fantasies of children, even if they never actually act on it?


There have been many studies on the rates of pedophilic desires and/or passing fantasies and let me just say they are surprisingly high, far far lower than actual rates of pedophilic action with a child.

Rockntractor
12-19-2010, 01:28 PM
I agree with you Kay :(

I think someone is pulling our leg......or something.:confused:

Apache
12-19-2010, 04:09 PM
I think someone is pulling our leg......or something.:confused:

*checks*


Nope, the dust is undisturbed....:eek::D

Gingersnap
12-20-2010, 10:40 AM
OMG, I'm a prude, I checked all of them!

I guess never having to worry about a law suit, arrest, public humiliation, loss of a job, losing my marriage, and embarrassing my family are boring to some but it works well for me.

You and me both, buddy. Sex before marriage and mild porn are certainly understandable but they aren't worth promoting as a useful life goals. Certainly a lot of couples find that premarital sex leads inevitably to looking really fat and swollen in a wedding dress a few months later (assuming they were serious enough about each other to provide a family for their child).

The rest of the list either springs from some kind of mental defect or entails a level of social, physical, or psychological risk and damage that is destructive. Also, all that stuff is against my religion.

I'm not personally going to do any of it and I sure don't want to have people doing any of it in my house (if Mr. Snaps is interested in porn, he sure is discreet :p). Hanging around with people who loudly and actively support or promote those behaviors wouldn't be healthy or useful for me.