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NJCardFan
12-22-2010, 12:26 AM
This is a serious question. Kwanzaa has been around for a long while but I know of no one who celebrates this holiday. Does anyone know anyone who does? I'm genuinely curious. And before Poli rolls his eyes, I work for a state institution and work with a lot, and I do mean a lot, of blacks and none of them celebrate Kwanzaa. At least not out of the open.

Rockntractor
12-22-2010, 12:27 AM
This is a serious question. Kwanzaa has been around for a long while but I know of no one who celebrates this holiday. Does anyone know anyone who does? I'm genuinely curious. And before Poli rolls his eyes, I work for a state institution and work with a lot, and I do mean a lot, of blacks and none of them celebrate Kwanzaa. At least not out of the open.

Kwanzaa: violent 60s radical invented fake holiday
December 5th, 2008 11:17 am ET


Ron Karenga, founder of Kwanzaa

Held each year from December 26 until January 2, Kwanzaa is increasingly seen as an appropriate multicultural alternative to Christmas, a holiday considered too religious and “Eurocentric” for public schools.

But there is one not-so-insignificant problem with Kwanzaa. While many teachers believe it is an ancient African harvest festival, it was not born in pre-colonial West Africa, but in 1960s southern California. It is the brainchild of African-American radical activist, academic and convicted felon Ron Karenga.

In 1969, two rival radical groups were battling for control of the UCLA black studies program: the Black Panthers and the lesser-known US, or United Slaves, led by Mr. Karenga. Both groups sauntered around campus carrying loaded guns. Perhaps inevitably, violence erupted. As David Horowitz recalls in Radical Son, Black Panther John Higgins was “murdered—along with Al ‘Bunchy’ Carter—on the UCLA campus by members of Ron Karenga’s organization.” After the killing, the FBI infiltrated both groups, and the United Slaves turned to fighting “enemies within.”

The result: two female members were tortured by their “comrades” in May, 1970. Both alledge Mr. Karenga ordered and participated in their assaults.

In 1999, writer Paul Mulshine published his research into Karenga’s violent past on FrontPageMagazine. Mr. Mulshine found a May 14, 1971, Los Angeles Times report of the victims’ testimony, which read:

“The victims said they were living at Karenga’s home when Karenga accused them of trying to [poison] him. . . . When they denied it, allegedly they were beaten with an electrical cord and a hot soldering iron was put in [one victim’s] mouth and against her face. Police were told that one of [the other victim’s] toes was placed in a small vise which was allegedly tightened by one of the defendants. The following day . . . Karenga, holding a gun, threatened to shoot both of them.”

Convicted of felonious assault and false imprisonment, Mr. Karenga was sentenced in 1971 to up to 10 years in prison. “A brief account of the sentencing ran in several newspapers the following day,” Mr. Mulshine writes. “That was apparently the last newspaper article to mention Karenga’s unfortunate habit of doing unspeakable things to black people. After that, the only coverage came from the hundreds of news accounts that depict him as the wonderful man who invented Kwanzaa.”

Shortly after his release from prison in 1975, Mr. Karenga (now armed, not with a pistol, but a doctorate) took over the black studies department at California State University, Long Beach, which he runs to this day.

And what about Kwanzaa?

The festival’s seven days commemorate allegedly “traditional African” principles, such as “collective work” and “cooperative economics,” each referred to by a Swahili name.

“Why did Karenga use Swahili words for his fictional African feast?” asks Mr. Mulshine. “American Blacks are primarily descended from people who came from Ghana and other parts of West Africa. Kenya and Tanzania—where Swahili is spoken—are thousands of miles away. This makes about as much sense as having Irish-Americans celebrate St. Patrick’s Day by speaking Polish.”

And why would Mr. Karenga schedule a harvest festival near the winter solstice, “a season when few fruits or vegetables are harvested anywhere?”

The religious satire magazine The Door likewise questioned Kwanzaa’s authenticity. “Karenga cobbled together a mishmash of different traditions and languages and blended them with Marxist ideas to reflect a unified African culture that doesn’t exist anywhere,” it reported. Ujamaa, or “cooperative economics”—one of the seven principles of Kwanzaa—is the term the socialist leader of Tanzania, Julius Nyerere, used for his disastrous policy of putting tens of thousands of Tanzanians on collective farms.

“People think it’s African, but it’s not,” admitted Karenga in a 1978 Washington Post interview. “I put it around Christmas because I knew that’s when a lot of ‘bloods’ [Blacks] would be partying.”


http://www.examiner.com/conservative-politics-in-national/kwanzaa-violent-60s-radical-invented-fake-holiday

Wei Wu Wei
12-22-2010, 12:27 AM
I don't really ask people about their holiday preferences unless it's that time of year. So far no one I know has told me they celebrate Kwanza.

Actually I'm not really exactly sure what Kwanza is all about

patriot45
12-22-2010, 12:32 AM
I'm still hung up on Festivus! :D
I can't even spell kwanaswa!

Rockntractor
12-22-2010, 12:32 AM
I'm still hung up on Festivus! :D
I can't even spell kwanaswa!

See above.

Adam Wood
12-22-2010, 12:42 AM
It was invented by a white college professor in the 60'sCorrection: it was invented by a stark-raving-mad Black nationalist felon (http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=20535) hired on as a professor of "African Studies." Some highlights of his "career:"


ACCORDING TO COURT DOCUMENTS, Karenga's real name is Ron N. Everett. In the '60s, he awarded himself the title "maulana," Swahili for "master teacher." He was born on a poultry farm in Maryland, the fourteenth child of a Baptist minister. He came to California in the late 1950s to attend Los Angeles Community College. He moved on to UCLA, where he got a Master's degree in political science and African Studies. By the mid-1960s, he had established himself as a leading "cultural nationalist." That is a term that had some meaning in the '60s, mainly as a way of distinguishing Karenga's followers from the Black Panthers, who were conventional Marxists.

Another way of distinguishing might be to think of Karenga's gang as the Crips and the Panthers as the bloods. Despite all their rhetoric about white people, they reserved their most vicious violence for each other. In 1969, the two groups squared off over the question of who would control the new Afro-American Studies Center at UCLA. According to a Los Angeles Times article, Karenga and his adherents backed one candidate, the Panthers another. Both groups took to carrying guns on campus, a situation that, remarkably, did not seem to bother the university administration. The Black Student Union, however, set up a coalition to try and bring peace between the Panthers and the group headed by the man whom the Times labeled "Ron Ndabezitha Everett-Karenga."

On Jan. 17, 1969, about 150 students gathered in a lunchroom to discuss the situation. Two Panthers—admitted to UCLA like many of the black students as part of a federal program that put high-school dropouts into the school—apparently spent a good part of the meeting in verbal attacks against Karenga. This did not sit well with Karenga's followers, many of whom had adopted the look of their leader, pseudo-African clothing and a shaved head.

In modern gang parlance, you might say Karenga was "dissed" by John Jerome Huggins, 23, and Alprentice "Bunchy" Carter, 26. After the meeting, the two Panthers were met in the hallway by two brothers who were members of US, George P. and Larry Joseph Stiner. The Stiners pulled pistols and shot the two Panthers dead. One of the Stiners took a bullet in the shoulder, apparently from a Panther's gun.

There were other beatings and shooting in Los Angeles involving US, but by then the tradition of African nationalism had already taken hold—among whites. That tradition calls for any white person, whether a journalist, a college official, or a politician, to ignore the obvious flaws of the concept that blacks should have a separate culture. "The students here have handled themselves in an absolutely impeccable manner," UCLA chancellor Charles E. Young told the L.A. Times. "They have been concerned. They haven't argued who the director should be; they have been saying what kind of person he should be." Young made those remarks after the shooting. And the university went ahead with its Afro-American Studies Program. Karenga, meanwhile, continued to build and strengthen US, a unique group that seems to have combined the elements of a street gang with those of a California cult. The members performed assaults and robberies but they also strictly followed the rules laid down in The Quotable Karenga, a book that laid out "The Path of Blackness." "The sevenfold path of blackness is think black, talk black, act black, create black, buy black, vote black, and live black," the book states.

In retrospect, it may be fortunate that the cult fell apart over the torture charges. Left to his own devices, Karenga might have orchestrated the type of mass suicide later pioneered by the People's Temple and copied by the Heaven's Gate cult. Instead, he apparently fell into deep paranoia shortly after the killings at UCLA. He began fearing that his followers were trying to have him killed. On May 9, 1970 he initiated the torture session that led to his imprisonment. Karenga himself will not comment on that incident and the victims cannot be located, so the sole remaining account is in the brief passage from the L.A. Times describing tortures inflicted by Karenga and his fellow defendants, Louis Smith and Luz Maria Tamayo:

"The victims said they were living at Karenga's home when Karenga accused them of trying to kill him by placing 'crystals' in his food and water and in various areas of his house. When they denied it, allegedly they were beaten with an electrical cord and a hot soldering iron was put in Miss Davis' mouth and against her face. Police were told that one of Miss Jones' toes was placed in a small vise which then allegedly was tightened by one of the defendants. The following day Karenga allegedly told the women that 'Vietnamese torture is nothing compared to what I know.' Miss Tamayo reportedly put detergent in their mouths, Smith turned a water hose full force on their faces, and Karenga, holding a gun, threatened to shoot both of them."

Karenga was convicted of two counts of felonious assault and one count of false imprisonment. He was sentenced on Sept. 17, 1971, to serve one to ten years in prison. A brief account of the sentencing ran in several newspapers the following day. That was apparently the last newspaper article to mention Karenga's unfortunate habit of doing unspeakable things to black people. After that, the only coverage came from the hundreds of news accounts that depict him as the wonderful man who invented Kwanzaa.Hence, the only logical conclusion that we are to draw is that Kwanzaa is to be celebrated by whipping women with extension cords and forcing drain cleaner down their throats, since this is apparently what the "holiday" was founded upon.


ETA: I see that you've updated your post to mirror my own.

NJCardFan
12-22-2010, 12:44 AM
And year after year Hallmark and American Greetings put out cards for this fictitious holiday. I can't imagine the bath they take every year. If I were the CEO of either of those companies, I'd refuse to produce those cards.

Oh, and the "cooperative economics" aspect, it fits into the Marxist economic mindset of a majority of the black community. And one thing that bugs me, there are no anchors tied to idiots like Karenga. Why doesn't he just go back to the "Motherland"?

Rockntractor
12-22-2010, 12:48 AM
ETA: I see that you've updated your post to mirror my own.

I had it mixed up with another lie but I caught it right away.:D
The sad thing about this is that you could show this to a liberal like Wei and it would make no difference

CueSi
12-22-2010, 01:14 AM
Cue does not do kwanzaa. Someone (white lib English teacher) tried to get her to do it in middle school, but I said, if I wanted Hanukkah with a black spin, I'd find some black Jews to celebrate with.

I didn't, but no one asked me again. :D

~QC

Calypso Jones
12-22-2010, 07:19 AM
The Robert Downey Quote. in what context is that?

Madisonian
12-22-2010, 07:32 AM
I don't know but maybe Kwame Kwirpatrick?

Gingersnap
12-22-2010, 10:02 AM
None of the blacks I know have ever mentioned Kwanzaa although we frequently discuss Christmas and the New Year around this time. I'm guessing they don't get involved.

linda22003
12-22-2010, 10:03 AM
I'm still hung up on Festivus! :D
I can't even spell kwanaswa!

Really - after the Airing of the Grievances, who has time for anything else?

FBIGuy
12-22-2010, 10:04 AM
I celebrate it with a 40 and by shooting my service revolver in the air at midnight on Kwanzaa eve.

Gingersnap
12-22-2010, 11:00 AM
I celebrate it with a 40 and by shooting my service revolver in the air at midnight on Kwanzaa eve.

You're such a traditionalist. :)

CueSi
12-22-2010, 11:35 AM
The Robert Downey Quote. in what context is that?

His views of crime and punishment, I believe. That some people are just...bad and can't be rehabilitated, if I can recall.

~QC

Speedy
12-22-2010, 11:43 AM
His views of crime and punishment, I believe. That some people are just...bad and can't be rehabilitated, if I can recall.

~QC

I wholeheartedly believe this to be so.

Molon Labe
12-22-2010, 11:43 AM
When I worked in a school system, it was pushed by the curriculum taught more than by anyone who actually celebrated it. I never saw anyone who was militantly celebrating this. I've always thought it was more of a media creation than an actual beloved Holiday.

Teddy Kennedy
12-22-2010, 11:55 AM
One of the black families in our neighborhood is very Africanized, with traditional dress and diet. They are as American as you and I, all being born here. They like to celebrate their heritage that way, but they both say that kwaanza is a steaming pile of feces.

CueSi
12-22-2010, 11:58 AM
I wholeheartedly believe this to be so.

Well, both you and he did time in real prison, albeit his bid was shorter. But I hear Corcoran is no joke.

~QC

djones520
12-22-2010, 12:02 PM
We had a brief teaching stint about it in elementary school.

That's it. Never met anyone who practiced it.

NJCardFan
12-22-2010, 12:08 PM
The real laugh is that it's a harvest celebration. Yeah, nothing says 'lets go pick the crops' like 15 degree weather with 12" of snow on the ground.

djones520
12-22-2010, 12:10 PM
The real laugh is that it's a harvest celebration. Yeah, nothing says 'lets go pick the crops' like 15 degree weather with 12" of snow on the ground.

Wait? They made an artifical harvest celebration for the people who used to be slaves? :eek:

Adam Wood
12-22-2010, 12:13 PM
Wait? They made an artifical harvest celebration for the people who used to be slaves? :eek:

Definition of irony.

FBIGuy
12-22-2010, 01:07 PM
You're such a traditionalist. :)

Somebody's got to keep things old school.

Speedy
12-22-2010, 01:23 PM
Just one more thing that makes Black people seem more ridiculous than Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and Barky Obama usually do.

CueSi
12-22-2010, 03:02 PM
Just one more thing that makes guilty white liberals seem more ridiculous than validating Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and Barky Obama usually do.

Fixed. Ain't no black people I know celebrate this ish.(yes, I said ain't)

~QC

txradioguy
12-22-2010, 03:18 PM
This is a serious question. Kwanzaa has been around for a long while but I know of no one who celebrates this holiday. Does anyone know anyone who does? I'm genuinely curious. And before Poli rolls his eyes, I work for a state institution and work with a lot, and I do mean a lot, of blacks and none of them celebrate Kwanzaa. At least not out of the open.

It's as fake and fraudulent as the person that created it.

Speedy
12-22-2010, 04:42 PM
Fixed. Ain't no black people I know celebrate this ish.(yes, I said ain't)

~QC

Thanks! You said it better than I did.

txradioguy
12-22-2010, 04:50 PM
Wait? They made an artifical harvest celebration for the people who used to be slaves? :eek:

Think about that next time you see a Kwanzaa banner at the BX.

CueSi
12-23-2010, 02:55 AM
Thanks! You said it better than I did.

We tend to celebrate the "Martin Luther King Day Traditional Shooting". I can't remember an MLK day that didn't involve someone getting shot at a parade.

Please don't tell black people I made that joke in front of ya'll. Because ya'll ain't supposed to know all this.

~QC

gator
12-23-2010, 10:13 AM
This is a serious question. Kwanzaa has been around for a long while but I know of no one who celebrates this holiday. Does anyone know anyone who does? .

Yes the Kardashian sisters celebrate it with their boyfriends.

linda22003
12-23-2010, 10:17 AM
Yes the Kardashian sisters celebrate it with their boyfriends.

You actually know the Kardashians? :eek:

NJCardFan
12-23-2010, 10:20 AM
Yes the Kardashian sisters celebrate it with their boyfriends.

Um, let me ask Reggie Bush and I'll get back to you on that. And I don't see Lamar Odum celebrating Kwanzaa.

Rockntractor
12-23-2010, 10:21 AM
You actually know the Kardashians? :eek:

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/cardassian-kardashian.jpg
I think he means cardassian.

Odysseus
12-23-2010, 12:09 PM
T'was the night before Kwanzaa
and all through the hood.
not a homie be stirrin'
and that was all good.
The kiddies was hiding
under they's beds,
in hopes that the drive by
be missin' their heads.
I messed with no candles
or fake ears of corn,
I was settlin' down
with some internet porn,
when out on the fire escape,
I heard a noise,
so I grabbed my AK
and called up my boyz.
The fire escape rattled
like a cage with a monkey,
I figured a burglar,
or some hopped up junkie,
But outside the window,
instead of my buddies,
was a college professor
of African Studies.
"Yo, yo, you" said the prof
as he climbed in the room.
"Get yo ass of that couch,
we got business to be doin'."
I said, "Yo, get yo ass out of here,
muthafucka!
Don't you take me for some ignorant sucka!"
"I know that your holiday's
made up and so,
I'm heaving your ass
back out into the snow."
"But, homes," said the prof,
who was white as white bread,
"I'm here with a holiday
message to spread."
"So chillax, my man,
and be mellow and nice."
and I'll lay down a rap
that will make you think twice."
but before he could spin,
I said, "Yo, Vanilla Ice!
Don't be playing this bull
with a fake holiday.
You treat us as if
we were born yesterday.
This crap is just made up
and on lies it's built,
'cause you want to assuage
your white liberal guilt."
So get your ass out,
'fore I blow it away,
and if you are smart,
on the campus you'll stay."
Then I busted some caps,
and he ran through the night,
"Merry Christmas, you fool!
and stay out of my sight!"

Rockntractor
12-23-2010, 12:16 PM
That was sooo beautiful!
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/Crying____by_Hahnsel.jpg

AmPat
12-23-2010, 12:19 PM
Kwanzaa: Does Anyone Know Anyone Who Celebrates This? Attention getting, psuedo-revolutionary, needed an @$$ whipping when younger, rebel without a clue morons?:cool:

Odysseus
12-23-2010, 09:45 PM
Attention getting, psuedo-revolutionary, needed an @$$ whipping when younger, rebel without a clue morons?:cool:

And the local community college African Studies faculty.