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megimoo
12-25-2010, 11:50 PM
Abbas: No room for Israelis in Palestinian state

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced on Saturday that when a Palestinian state is established, it would have no Israelis in it. “We have frankly said, and always will say, if there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it,” Abbas told reporters in Ramallah.
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“We are ready to go to peace on the basis of international legitimacy and the road map, which we have accepted, as well as the Arab peace initiative,” Abbas said. “But when a Palestinian state is established, it w

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=200935

PoliCon
12-25-2010, 11:58 PM
where are our palestinian apologists?

Zathras
12-26-2010, 01:36 AM
where are our palestinian apologists?

Sitting in his gun room with the ugly carpet talking to himself about his moral clarity (which is neither).

Bleda
12-26-2010, 01:42 AM
I don't deny his Jew-hatred and desire for a 'Judenrein' Palestine, but in this case he's saying "Israelis", not "Jews."

Rockntractor
12-26-2010, 01:47 AM
I don't deny his Jew-hatred and desire for a 'Judenrein' Palestine, but in this case he's saying "Israelis", not "Jews."

That is correct , i don't think I have ever heard him refer to other than Israelis although he is so derogatory toward them that I don't think it really matters.

Articulate_Ape
12-26-2010, 01:55 AM
Right. The whole "palestinian" canard has worked out so well for those sand pirates so far.

There will be a point when modern humanity will get fed up with the vestigial and festering appendage that is represented by these dune baboons and amputate it. It is simply a matter of time.

Rockntractor
12-26-2010, 01:58 AM
Right. The whole "palestinian" canard has worked out so well for those sand pirates so far.

There will be a point when modern humanity will get fed up with the vestigial and festering appendage that is represented by these dune baboons and amputate it. It is simply a matter of time.

Even a baboon has enough sense not to conduct suicide attacks.

Novaheart
12-26-2010, 02:02 AM
Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.


http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28222


(yes, it's wnd- even a broken clock)

Bleda
12-26-2010, 02:05 AM
That is correct , i don't think I have ever heard him refer to other than Israelis although he is so derogatory toward them that I don't think it really matters.

He has said some horrible things about Jews, but, like I said, in this case he said Israelis, not Jews (although sometimes when Palestinians say 'Israelis', it's a euphemism for 'Jews'), and Salam Fayyad, the PM of the PA, has said Palestinian Jews will enjoy all the rights as other Palestinians. It doesn't really matter, though. Jews would be dumb to live in a Palestinian state; they'd never feel (or be) safe.

Bleda
12-26-2010, 02:07 AM
Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.


http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28222


(yes, it's wnd- even a broken clock)

That's always been their goal, whether they're Islamists or Arab nationalists. To them, Palestine, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, etc. are all part of a single entity.

megimoo
12-26-2010, 11:17 AM
That's always been their goal, whether they're Islamists or Arab nationalists. To them, Palestine, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, etc. are all part of a single entity.They are the scum of the Arab World.They have been kicked out of Jordan,Egypt and most of the other Arab Countries.

After desert storm Kuwait executed a bunch of them for collaboration with Saddam's Iraq troops .They have no rights to call any of Israel their homeland and demand right of return,they've never lived in the region.They are being used as 'cannon fodder' by those Arabs who desire to see the total annihilation of Israel .

hampshirebrit
12-26-2010, 02:37 PM
Al Quds / Jerusalem is the biggest obstacle in settling this bullshit once and for all.

Why? Because every single religious whackjob holds it as "their" capital city. The Jews, the Muslims, the Christians (all kinds, but especially the RC and the Orthodox), all of these people and their little brown dogs have an inordinate enthusiasm for what amounts to a pile of rocks in one of the few parts of the Middle East that has no oil wealth at all.

When I travelled to the region, I went to Ramallah (West Bank) and on to Bethlehem and the other "holy" sites, none of them that far from Jerusalem. I met up with some Christian and then some Muslim Arabs.

I particularly remember one of the Muslims saying to me that the major issue at contention was that the Israelis have appropriated Jerusalem as their capital city.

We were having tea on his family's veranda at the time he said this. I could see, straightaway, that this issue will never be resolved. I already knew it (I'd been there for some time by then), but that day really drove the point home.

There will never be a solution to this problem, while religion and the overly religious are allowed to dominate the agenda.

Bleda
12-27-2010, 12:22 AM
They are the scum of the Arab World.They have been kicked out of Jordan,Egypt and most of the other Arab Countries.

After desert storm Kuwait executed a bunch of them for collaboration with Saddam's Iraq troops .They have no rights to call any of Israel their homeland and demand right of return,they've never lived in the region.They are being used as 'cannon fodder' by those Arabs who desire to see the total annihilation of Israel .

Many of them lived in what is now Israel. Remember, when the Arabs told the 'Palestinians' to leave Israel so they can kill all the Israelis, some of the Palestinians stayed, and are now (along with their descendants) Israeli citizens with all the rights Jewish Israelis have, and some privileges as well. The ones who left, well, look what happened to them. They've been used as pawns by the Arabs for decades. A "right of return" would destroy Israel. Imagine if 200 million America-haters wanted a "right of return" to America.


Al Quds / Jerusalem is the biggest obstacle in settling this bullshit once and for all.

Why? Because every single religious whackjob holds it as "their" capital city. The Jews, the Muslims, the Christians (all kinds, but especially the RC and the Orthodox), all of these people and their little brown dogs have an inordinate enthusiasm for what amounts to a pile of rocks in one of the few parts of the Middle East that has no oil wealth at all.

When I travelled to the region, I went to Ramallah (West Bank) and on to Bethlehem and the other "holy" sites, none of them that far from Jerusalem. I met up with some Christian and then some Muslim Arabs.

I particularly remember one of the Muslims saying to me that the major issue at contention was that the Israelis have appropriated Jerusalem as their capital city.

We were having tea on his family's veranda at the time he said this. I could see, straightaway, that this issue will never be resolved. I already knew it (I'd been there for some time by then), but that day really drove the point home.

There will never be a solution to this problem, while religion and the overly religious are allowed to dominate the agenda.

Most Israelis I've met couldn't care less about Jerusalem's religious status. They consider it Israeli, not Jewish. Olmert offered to give the Palestinians all the Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem in 2008. You speak as if both sides are religiously-motivated fanatics here.

megimoo
12-27-2010, 01:05 AM
Many of them lived in what is now Israel. Remember, when the Arabs told the 'Palestinians' to leave Israel so they can kill all the Israelis, some of the Palestinians stayed, and are now (along with their descendants) Israeli citizens with all the rights Jewish Israelis have, and some privileges as well. The ones who left, well, look what happened to them. They've been used as pawns by the Arabs for decades. A "right of return" would destroy Israel. Imagine if 200 million America-haters wanted a "right of return" to America.



Most Israelis I've met couldn't care less about Jerusalem's religious status. They consider it Israeli, not Jewish. Olmert offered to give the Palestinians all the Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem in 2008. You speak as if both sides are religiously-motivated fanatics here.

Other than those you've met there are many other patriotic Israeli's who know that if the Islamic fascists ever gain power their lives wouldn't be worth a dime.Israel will fight to the death for they know that if they lose just one battle they are dead and lost for good.Islam hates Israel with a blood passion the land of the Jews would run red with their blood if they lose.

Look,.. Islam was founded in the sixth century by a ignorant camel dealer who couldn't read or write who heard voices in a cave and somehow recorded them in his holy book .It evolved into a tribe of desert bandit who killed all who refused to join them.

Their theology is non existent and they 'lifted' most of their religious icons from the desert Christians and Jews.Judaism is at least three thousand years old and Jerusalem has been Jewish since king David captured it from the Canaanites.

Islam's the newest founded some three thousand years after Judaism and has been the scourge of the mid east ever since its founding .It's a Religion of war and conquest and all who refuse them are put to death by command of their Religion's Holy book.

Bleda
12-27-2010, 01:21 AM
Other than those you've met there are many other patriotic Israeli's who know that if the Islamic fascists ever gain power their lives wouldn't be worth a dime.Israel will fight to the death for they know that if they lose just one battle they are dead and lost for good.Islam hates Israel with a blood passion the land of the Jews would run red with their blood if they lose.

Look,.. Islam was founded in the sixth century by a ignorant camel dealer who couldn't read or write who heard voices in a cave and somehow recorded them in his holy book .It evolved into a tribe of desert bandit who killed all who refused to join them.

Their theology is non existent and they 'lifted' most of their religious icons from the desert Christians and Jews.Judaism is at least three thousand years old and Jerusalem has been Jewish since king David captured it from the Canaanites.

Islam's the newest founded some three thousand years after Judaism and has been the scourge of the mid east ever since its founding .It's a Religion of war and conquest and all who refuse them are put to death by command of their Religion's Holy book.

Everything you say is true. I never said otherwise. All I meant is that the reason Israelis want Jerusalem is not religious; by that I mean they don't want to keep it because "God told them to", but for other reasons. And yes, I know that when the Arabs had control of the holy sites, non-Muslims weren't allowed to visit them, and when Israel gained control of the sites, people of all religious beliefs were allowed to visit. That's why Olmert offered internationalization of Jerusalem's holy sites, but the Palestinians [of course] refused.

megimoo
12-27-2010, 01:45 AM
Everything you say is true. I never said otherwise. All I meant is that the reason Israelis want Jerusalem is not religious; by that I mean they don't want to keep it because "God told them to", but for other reasons. And yes, I know that when the Arabs had control of the holy sites, non-Muslims weren't allowed to visit them, and when Israel gained control of the sites, people of all religious beliefs were allowed to visit. That's why Olmert offered internationalization of Jerusalem's holy sites, but the Palestinians [of course] refused.As Hamps has pointed out Jerusalem's temple mount is on a pile of rocks above a steep ravine .It's only use would be as a fortification or temple site.Melchizedek king of Salem and priest of GOD offered sacrifice of bread and wine there and pleased the GOD of the Jews.All Jewish Levite priests draw their lineage from him with the words Thou art "a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek".