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djones520
12-28-2010, 06:12 AM
Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-27-10 11:25 PM
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NO one who ran for the Democratic nomination before should do it again.
We need a different nominee.

The incumbent can't regain his popularity, and can't win Congress back for us. Without a Democratic House, it can't be worth re-electing a Democratic president since that Democratic president can't DO anything Democratic if the House stays GOP(the last Democratic adminstration proves this).

The runner-up is committed to all the things that have made this administration unpopular(she STILL loves globalization, STILL thinks we need "pro-business" economic policies, STILL wants us to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely, STILL wants to bomb Iran even though nothing but misery can come of that, STILL wants a massive war budget).

Dean is a good man, but better as an organizer than a candidate.

And Dennis whom I still regard as a hero, will always be picked apart over trivialities.

We need someone else.

If we don't GET someone else, we're doomed in 2012.




grasswire (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-27-10 11:32 PM
Response to Original message
2. how about Brian Schweitzer?

I guess the problem is that the nominee needs to be from a state that has strategic importance, and Montana doesn't.

What I don't want again is someone with zero track record who is propelled to the front simply because he is malleable and fungible.




xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-27-10 11:53 PM
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19. Schweitzer is in love w/ 'clean' coal.
He was singing the praises of the fantasy notion when he was elected governor.


So was Obama.


Pisces (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-27-10 11:36 PM
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5. This is a democratic site that supports it's democratic President. Go sell your garbage
somewhere else. The only thing doomed is this thread and your sales pitch.



MadBadger (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-27-10 11:39 PM
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6. This is a comical OP



Arkana (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-27-10 11:41 PM
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8. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!


Your typical bunch who'd rather not bail, refusing to believe the unsinkable ship is sinking.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x79517

NJCardFan
12-28-2010, 09:25 AM
the last Democratic adminstration proves this
And exactly how was the economy under this GOP house?

ralph wiggum
12-28-2010, 09:27 AM
Alan Grayson 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!eleventy1!!!!1111!!!!! :D

djones520
12-28-2010, 09:28 AM
the last Democratic adminstration proves this

It's funny, because they always try to point out how succesful the Clinton administration was. They never like to point out that it was because he was held in balance by a Republican congress.

NJCardFan
12-28-2010, 11:34 AM
It's funny, because they always try to point out how succesful the Clinton administration was. They never like to point out that it was because he was held in balance by a Republican congress.

Hence my post. :D

Adam Wood
12-28-2010, 12:52 PM
And Dennis whom I still regard as a hero, will always be picked apart over trivialities.Yeah, the "triviality" that he's a stark-raving fucking lunatic who bankrupted Cleveland and then ran off to spend the mid-'80s with Shirley MacLaine. Boy, howdy, that must have been quite an experience....

Novaheart
12-28-2010, 01:15 PM
On talk radio , I keep hearing "Stop Obama in 2012" but I don't hear much in the way of a candidate who can do that. These "pundits" (Hannity, Schnitt, Limbaugh, Levin, Hunt, etc...) keep mouthing that "McCain wasn't conservative enough" bullshit.

Bullshit. You're kidding yourselves if you think the kind of "conservatism" these Tea Party folks claim to represent will win the White House.

Republicans are a numerical minority in the United States. To win the presidency, they have to peel off some Democrats.

Wei Wu Wei
12-28-2010, 01:24 PM
Republicans represent the far right option, and democrats parade around as the sane compromising centrist side. Bot of these parties are almost entirely owned and operated by big business, wall street, banks, and the other economic powerhouses. There is no leftist party, so we get a bunch of spectacle, people flinging shit back and forth and the two parties bickering but in the end they represent the same people.


Even people who consider themselves moderate or conservative should hope that there is a leftist party, so that we can have a real discussion, rather than republicans calling democrats socialists and democrats calling republicans racists.

Adam Wood
12-28-2010, 01:54 PM
Republicans represent the far right option, and democrats parade around as the sane compromising centrist side. Bot of these parties are almost entirely owned and operated by big business, wall street, banks, and the other economic powerhouses. There is no leftist party, so we get a bunch of spectacle, people flinging shit back and forth and the two parties bickering but in the end they represent the same people.


Even people who consider themselves moderate or conservative should hope that there is a leftist party, so that we can have a real discussion, rather than republicans calling democrats socialists and democrats calling republicans racists.So, you consider people like Pelosi and Kucinich and self-avowed socialist Bernie Sanders and Kooktown Al Franken to be the center? Time to hit the reset button and re-discover the center, man.

Sorry, but the party leadership in the Democrats is very decidedly Leftist. Now there's certainly plenty of elected Democrats who are not nearly so far to the left, just as there are certainly plenty of elected Republicans who are not nearly so far to the right as many would like the GOP leadership to be (Boehner is not exactly a right-wing extremist, much to my chagrin), but to pretend that the Democrats are not a Leftist party is just fallacy and/or imagination.

Zafod
12-28-2010, 02:59 PM
So, you consider people like Pelosi and Kucinich and self-avowed socialist Bernie Sanders and Kooktown Al Franken to be the center? Time to hit the reset button and re-discover the center, man.

Sorry, but the party leadership in the Democrats is very decidedly Leftist. Now there's certainly plenty of elected Democrats who are not nearly so far to the left, just as there are certainly plenty of elected Republicans who are not nearly so far to the right as many would like the GOP leadership to be (Boehner is not exactly a right-wing extremist, much to my chagrin), but to pretend that the Democrats are not a Leftist party is just fallacy and/or imagination.

wee wee the pee pee boy is a idiot Adam. You shouldnt waste your time.....

AmPat
12-28-2010, 04:19 PM
On talk radio , I keep hearing "Stop Obama in 2012" but I don't hear much in the way of a candidate who can do that. These "pundits" (Hannity, Schnitt, Limbaugh, Levin, Hunt, etc...) keep mouthing that "McCain wasn't conservative enough" bullshit.

Bullshit. You're kidding yourselves if you think the kind of "conservatism" these Tea Party folks claim to represent will win the White House.

Republicans are a numerical minority in the United States. To win the presidency, they have to peel off some Democrats.
True, Republicans are a numerical minority. They are not however a philosophical minority. Conservatives are a majority philosophy in this country. Dims are a majority yet their liberal philosophy is a minority, hence, your assertion that a Tea Party type cannot win is hollow. Especially hollow when the same was said of Reagan. Also, conventional wisdom said that a far left ideologue (Marxist) like O Blah Blah could never be elected.:cool:

m00
12-28-2010, 06:06 PM
On talk radio , I keep hearing "Stop Obama in 2012" but I don't hear much in the way of a candidate who can do that. These "pundits" (Hannity, Schnitt, Limbaugh, Levin, Hunt, etc...) keep mouthing that "McCain wasn't conservative enough" bullshit.

Bullshit. You're kidding yourselves if you think the kind of "conservatism" these Tea Party folks claim to represent will win the White House.

Republicans are a numerical minority in the United States. To win the presidency, they have to peel off some Democrats.

Gary E. Johnson

I am not a Republican, but I'd vote for him.

FDK
12-28-2010, 09:13 PM
Also, conventional wisdom said that a far left ideologue (Marxist) like O Blah Blah could never be elected.:cool:

Obama is anything but an ideologue. You need some core values for that. Obama is merely a well-spoken lawyer/politician who will say whatever he thinks people want to hear in order to get elected.

Adam Wood
12-28-2010, 09:34 PM
Obama is anything but an ideologue. You need some core values for that. Obama is merely a well-spoken lawyer/politician who will say whatever the teleprompter says.Corrected to better reflect reality.

Obama is most definitely a puppet.

PoliCon
12-28-2010, 10:55 PM
Alan Grayson 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!eleventy1!!!!1111!!!!! :D

I would pay to see that! :D