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megimoo
08-25-2008, 04:57 PM
Is The Presidency Above Obama's Mental/Pay Grade?

It's interesting to hear the euphemisms bandied about in campaigns.

After Barack Obama's and John McCain's appearance a week ago at Saddleback Church, for instance, the former's ardent supporters were as effusive in their praise as ever.

His stammering and copious "uhs" weren't signs of a befuddled and muddled mind, but of "thoughtfulness" and "nuanced" thinking.

Yeah, sure, and when President Bush occasionally invents a new word, we can chalk it up to creativity.

The truth is that, sans teleprompter and prepared speech and contrary to myth, Obama is at best a mediocre speaker.

(If you say that we're electing a president and not a professional orator, fair enough. But given that Bush's wanting speaking skills have made him the butt of jokes and have been used to paint him as an idiot, I think it bears mention.)

Yet neither this nor "thoughtfulness" explains his fumbling tongue. After all, politicians are people who are supposed to live and breathe issues and policy, so there should be few things they haven't been asked about or at least pondered before.

Thus, they should have oft-rendered, memorized, standard responses at the ready. For sure, John McCain did, despite his supposed status as a septuagenarian with senior moments. And if politicians don't have them - neither sublime answers nor slick dodges - what does it tell us? Well, perhaps it means they haven't put much thought into things at all. For if a person makes it a practice to think deeply about issues, he doesn't have to think about them on stage. It's the difference between preparation and improvisation. snip

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/is_the_presidency_above_obamas.html

Odysseus
08-25-2008, 05:55 PM
Is The Presidency Above Obama's Mental/Pay Grade?

It's interesting to hear the euphemisms bandied about in campaigns.

After Barack Obama's and John McCain's appearance a week ago at Saddleback Church, for instance, the former's ardent supporters were as effusive in their praise as ever.

His stammering and copious "uhs" weren't signs of a befuddled and muddled mind, but of "thoughtfulness" and "nuanced" thinking.

Yeah, sure, and when President Bush occasionally invents a new word, we can chalk it up to creativity.

The truth is that, sans teleprompter and prepared speech and contrary to myth, Obama is at best a mediocre speaker.

(If you say that we're electing a president and not a professional orator, fair enough. But given that Bush's wanting speaking skills have made him the butt of jokes and have been used to paint him as an idiot, I think it bears mention.)

Yet neither this nor "thoughtfulness" explains his fumbling tongue. After all, politicians are people who are supposed to live and breathe issues and policy, so there should be few things they haven't been asked about or at least pondered before.

Thus, they should have oft-rendered, memorized, standard responses at the ready. For sure, John McCain did, despite his supposed status as a septuagenarian with senior moments. And if politicians don't have them - neither sublime answers nor slick dodges - what does it tell us? Well, perhaps it means they haven't put much thought into things at all. For if a person makes it a practice to think deeply about issues, he doesn't have to think about them on stage. It's the difference between preparation and improvisation. snip

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/is_the_presidency_above_obamas.html

Whenever liberals assailed Bush's speaking skills, I always reminded them of the Emperor Claudius, who stammered and stuttered, but was a brilliant scholar and administrator, and who said that what a man says is more important than how he says it. When Obama's rhetoric is removed from his content, it becomes obvious that he has no content, just a bunch of empty phrases that lack any coherent program. McCain, is going to wallop him during the debates.

GrumpyOldLady
08-25-2008, 05:56 PM
Excellent question and very well phrased.
The answer is a definate - YES!!

megimoo
08-25-2008, 06:07 PM
Whenever liberals assailed Bush's speaking skills, I always reminded them of the Emperor Claudius, who stammered and stuttered, but was a brilliant scholar and administrator, and who said that what a man says is more important than how he says it. When Obama's rhetoric is removed from his content, it becomes obvious that he has no content, just a bunch of empty phrases that lack any coherent program. McCain, is going to wallop him during the debates.It's starting to look like this thing is running away from Obama .The Clinton base is just about in full revolt,this guy has quite a few un_ resolved issues he needs to address quickly.All in all quite a problem and he isn't even nominated yet.

LogansPapa
08-25-2008, 06:20 PM
Whenever liberals assailed Bush's speaking skills, I always reminded them of the Emperor Claudius, who stammered and stuttered, but was a brilliant scholar and administrator, and who said that what a man says is more important than how he says it.

Oh Christ! If you’re referring to Tiberius Claudius Drusus and even vaguely hinting the man that resides in the White House presently compares in any way to the former leader of the Roman Empire you’ve got to be fucking kidding. It’s been a great deal of time since I’ve heard something that stupid in the forum.

:rolleyes:

patriot45
08-25-2008, 07:35 PM
Oh Christ! If you’re referring to Tiberius Claudius Drusus and even vaguely hinting the man that resides in the White House presently compares in any way to the former leader of the Roman Empire you’ve got to be fucking kidding. It’s been a great deal of time since I’ve heard something that stupid in the forum.

:rolleyes:

Uhuh, there was this post today.


There is no evidence that would convince you. Nothing. Half the Manhattan skyline could be under water within the decade and that wouldn’t convince you. Arrogance is fueling the global warming ignorance and childish denial, and our great-grandchildren will hate us for it.

Odysseus
08-25-2008, 10:29 PM
Oh Christ! If you’re referring to Tiberius Claudius Drusus and even vaguely hinting the man that resides in the White House presently compares in any way to the former leader of the Roman Empire you’ve got to be fucking kidding. It’s been a great deal of time since I’ve heard something that stupid in the forum.
:rolleyes:
Did I stutter? Shallow people are always willing to overlook substance in favor of style. For those of you who are content to regurgitate the talking points of the left, nothing the man did was right, but if you actually look at the record, he will go down as a far better president than any Democrat in my lifetime and more than one Republican.

Uhuh, there was this post today.
Wow, that was really stupid. I wonder who could have said such a thing. :D

LogansPapa
08-26-2008, 10:45 AM
Did I stutter? Shallow people are always willing to overlook substance in favor of style. For those of you who are content to regurgitate the talking points of the left, nothing the man did was right, but if you actually look at the record, he will go down as a far better president than any Democrat in my lifetime and more than one Republican.

We were comparing a former Emperor of Rome to the current president. Which is funny - because Claudius was known for his massive public works projects and GWB will forever be known as the father of the Katrina disaster. Put that in your substance pipe and smoke it.

Sonnabend
08-26-2008, 10:55 AM
We were comparing a former Emperor of Rome to the current president. Which is funny - because Claudius was known for his massive public works projects and GWB will forever be known as the father of the Katrina disaster.

The Katrina disaster was caused by:

1. A hurricane

2. Piss poor planning on the part of the governor and the Mayor, and even more piss poor planning on their part NOW.

3. the fug ugly and utterly pathetic cowardice of ther police and emergency services that also beat feet and abandoned their posts.

Nagin fucked up then, he has fucked up now, if another hurricane hit TOMORROW he would still be pathetically unprepared and would be yelling for help again.

Prove me wrong, LP, show me here and now the online documents and evac procedures and planning Nagin has initiated to deal with future emergencies.

You wont find it, because it doesnt exist, and Nagin would sit and wet his panties if he gets another storm warning,

Repeat after me: all together now

Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance.

Sonnabend
08-26-2008, 10:59 AM
Something like this will do.

http://www.mackay.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0011/7688/emergency-triangle.jpg

Or this (http://www.nla.gov.au/policy/disaster/)

Or this (http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/Publishing.nsf/Content/health-pubhlth-strateg-bio-index.htm)

Show me the New Orleans plans.

IF they exist.

patriot45
08-26-2008, 11:10 AM
We were comparing a former Emperor of Rome to the current president. Which is funny - because Claudius was known for his massive public works projects and GWB will forever be known as the father of the Katrina disaster. Put that in your substance pipe and smoke it.

BDS is showing.
I didn't know the President was the cause of hurricane Katrina, how did he make it destroy N.O.?
Does he cause blizzards and tornados and wildfires too? If so, he IS the strongest Pres. ever!

LibraryLady
08-26-2008, 11:17 AM
Funny, Louisiana elected a Republican Governor and Senator and is running about 65% for McCain.
So you think we don't know who to blame?

asdf2231
08-26-2008, 01:43 PM
BDS is showing.
I didn't know the President was the cause of hurricane Katrina, how did he make it destroy N.O.?
Does he cause blizzards and tornados and wildfires too? If so, he IS the strongest Pres. ever!

He and Karl KKKRove spun up the patented Fundie Hurricane Negro Killin' Machine and pointed it NO to try to wipe out all them black folks.

Then they sent the Army in to kill everyone that lived through the flooding.

Don't you even READ Daily Kos and DU man?

You better wise up if you want to be as smart as Logan.

:rolleyes:

LogansPapa
08-27-2008, 11:33 AM
Show me the New Orleans plans. IF they exist.

Wow, an excuse pyramid!

http://www.uscg.mil/History/katrina/katrina1sm.jpg

Rear Admiral Thomas F. Atkin didn’t need one. He just put his people to work, during and after Katrina hit - many, many hours before any other government agency filled out all applicable forms - in triplicate - and had them duly notarized. All while using a critical U.S. commodity: American balls.

LibraryLady
08-27-2008, 11:39 AM
Today's paper:


Gov. Bobby Jindal said he could declare a state of emergency as early as Thursday, which would begin an evacuation process resulting in the state exercising contracts for as many as 700 buses.

"Be ready," Jindal said. "This is a serious storm."

lacarnut
08-27-2008, 11:54 AM
Something like this will do.

http://www.mackay.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0011/7688/emergency-triangle.jpg

Or this (http://www.nla.gov.au/policy/disaster/)

Or this (http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/Publishing.nsf/Content/health-pubhlth-strateg-bio-index.htm)

Show me the New Orleans plans.

IF they exist.

The Gov. and Mayor had plans; they were too stupid to implement them. Being a Democrat is a mental disease in itself. You had a Gov. that refused Federal Aid and the Mayor was holed up in a downtown Hotel and was afraid to come out for fear his own brothers (blacks) would kill or harm his dumb ass. These are the facts. These two morons are responsible for at least 90% of the chaos in New Orleans.

The ex Gov. Blanco did not run for re-election. She knew that she would be lucky to get 20% of the vote. That is how bad the citizens of this state felt that she screwed up. Idiots like Logan Papa don't know what they are talking about. I live here and the people of this state put the overwhelming blame on these incompetent politicians. Some blame goes to the Bush Admin. but very little in comparison to these two birds.

LogansPapa
08-27-2008, 11:57 AM
Idiots like Logan Papa don't know what they are talking about.

Really? So the USCG acted under immediate direction of the White House? Blow it out your ass.:rolleyes:

LibraryLady
08-27-2008, 12:16 PM
NAGIN: The president looked at me. I think he was a little surprised. He said, "No, you guys stay here. We're going to another section of the plane, and we're going to make a decision."

He called me in that office after that. And he said, "Mr. Mayor, I offered two options to the governor." I said -- and I don't remember exactly what. There were two options. I was ready to move today. The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision.

S. O'BRIEN: You're telling me the president told you the governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision?

NAGIN: Yes.

S. O'BRIEN: Regarding what? Bringing troops in?

NAGIN: Whatever they had discussed. As far as what the -- I was abdicating a clear chain of command, so that we could get resources flowing in the right places.

S. O'BRIEN: And the governor said no.

NAGIN: She said that she needed 24 hours to make a decision. It would have been great if we could of left Air Force One, walked outside, and told the world that we had this all worked out. It didn't happen, and more people died.

CNN transcript


Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state’s emergency operations center said Saturday.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. “Quite frankly, if they’d been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals,” said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.

A senior administration official said that Bush has clear legal authority to federalize National Guard units to quell civil disturbances under the Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains of command that are split among the president, the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor.

Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.

“The federal government stands ready to work with state and local officials to secure New Orleans and the state of Louisiana,” White House spokesman Dan Bartlett said. “The president will not let any form of bureaucracy get in the way of protecting the citizens of Louisiana.”

Blanco made two moves Saturday that protected her independence from the federal government: She created a philanthropic fund for the state’s victims and hired James Lee Witt, Federal Emergency Management Agency director in the Clinton administration, to advise her on the relief effort.

The weather people knew and couldn't believe Nagin and Blanco were so stupid


August 26, 2005, 11:25 a.m.: Masters: "I'm surprised they haven't ordered an evacuation of the city yet. While the odds of a catastropic hit that would completely flood the city of New Orleans are probably 10%, that is way too high in my opinion to justify leaving the people in the city. If I lived in the city, I would evactuate NOW! There is a very good reason that the Coroner's office in New Orleans keeps 10,000 body bags on hand. ... New Orleans needs a full 72 hours to evacuate, and landfall is already less than 72 hours away."

August 26, 2005, 1:57 p.m.: Brendan Loy: "At the risk of being alarmist, we could be 3-4 days away from an unprecedented cataclysm that could kill as many as 100,000 people in New Orleans.

August 26, 2005, 9:44 p.m.: Governor declares state of emergency.

August 26, 2005, 11:22 p.m.: Loy: "[I]f I lived in New Orleans, I would definitely leave at this point. Tonight. Barring a major change in forecast, I expect the evacuation orders to come tomorrow." The order would not come for another 24 hours.

August 27, 2005, afternoon: Mayor Nagin says "this is not a test," "batten down the hatches" – but evacuation is still voluntary.

August 27, 2005, 7:34 p.m. Loy: "I can't emphasize enough what a bad decision I think it is for New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin to delay the mandatory evacuation until tomorrow morning... Will Ray Nagin go down in history as the mayor who fiddled while New Orleans drowned? Could be."

August 27, 2005, evening: Governor Blanco interrupts Mayor Nagin at dinner Update [2005-9-2 18:54:36 by machiavel]: after President Bush appeals for a mandatory evacuation of the city, telling him to call the National Hurricane Center. He subsequently orders a mandatory evacuation for Sunday, 24 hours before landfall.

August 27, 2005, 9:16 p.m.: Masters: "New Orleans finally got serious and ordered an evacuation, but far too late. There is no way everyone will be able to get out of the city in time..." He places New Orleans' chances of being destroyed at 20 percent.

August 28, 2005, 4:31 p.m.: Loy says it may be too late for those who waited for the Mayor's order to evacuate.


Blanco has refused to sign over control of the National Guard to the federal government and has turned to a Clinton administration official, former Federal Emergency Management Agency chief James Lee Witt, to help run relief efforts.

I am in north LA and I know several emergency workers and Guard members who were called up and then not allowed into NO to help. Blanco should have been whupped.

LogansPapa
08-27-2008, 12:23 PM
Blanco should have been whupped.

So, if Castro wanted to invade New Orleans with Cuban troops before he croaks - GWB would have to wait for the governor’s say so before doing anything about it?

:rolleyes:

LibraryLady
08-27-2008, 12:26 PM
Blanco knew she screwed up, why can't you accept it?

She froze, everyone thought the idiot was going to have a stroke. Why did other areas fare better?

How much time have you spent in Louisiana?

LogansPapa
08-27-2008, 12:28 PM
How much time have you spent in Louisiana?

Smelling beer,puke and piss on the streets for one night in New Orleans was enough. :cool:

lacarnut
08-27-2008, 12:34 PM
Really? So the USCG acted under immediate direction of the White House? Blow it out your ass.:rolleyes:

I live here, you don't. You get your news from CNN or LA Times. Go fuck yourself. You need to pay attention to that shithole you live in, Californica which is going bankrupt.

BTW, a loony tune was on O'Reilly and was planning a sea platform off the coast of San Fran. in Federal waters. They are going to set up their own little community with their own government, blah, blah, blah. Sounds like a Jim Jones commune. Too bad you don't have the money to join the party cause it sound like it would be right up your alley.

lacarnut
08-27-2008, 12:41 PM
Smelling beer,puke and piss on the streets for one night in New Orleans was enough. :cool:

With all the stupid liberals like you, the homos, fag Mayors, transvestites, sea lions stinking up the wharfs, I won't be visiting CA either. High taxes and morons like Arnuld are going to run business's out of the state and the dumb ass politicians are too ignorant to drill offshore. Talk about a shit-hole.

LogansPapa
08-27-2008, 12:43 PM
I live here, you don't. You get your news from CNN or LA Times. Go fuck yourself. You need to pay attention to that shithole you live in, Californica which is going bankrupt.
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/05/12/mn_catalina_fire_night.jpg
Don’t try to tell me about immediate emergency response and how it should be done. I own a place in Hamilton Cove on Catalina Island and saw with my own eyes how real men handle real shit. The USMC hauled entire fire companies from Oceanside on hover craft via the base commander’s incredible fortitude and commitment. The Govenator showed up, eventually, and attempted to act like he had something, anything, to do with the outcome. Local residents laughed in his face.

No kids, this comes down to leadership - pure guts and determination, and while the Louisiana folks had nary a sign of it - because they’re rotten from the neck up with their bribes and such - the supposed Commander in Chief was sadly lacking in the nut-sack.

:cool:

LibraryLady
08-27-2008, 12:44 PM
Smelling beer,puke and piss on the streets for one night in New Orleans was enough. :cool:


Yeah, New Orleans is a very Democrat city.

Eyelids
08-27-2008, 12:48 PM
Democrats do know how to party.

LibraryLady
08-27-2008, 12:51 PM
Beer, puke and piss constitutes a party to you?

megimoo
08-27-2008, 12:51 PM
Democrats do know how to party.
Sure do on someone elses money !