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SarasotaRepub
01-02-2011, 05:54 PM
:rolleyes:

Another thread that is posted repeatedly on DU. This one is just as stupid as all the others... (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x104008)




butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-02-11 12:24 AM
Original message What Would It Look Like If Red States Formed Their Own Country?


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With the recent fervor from the Right about states’ rights, particularly in relation to health care reform, and recurring noises throughout Obama’s presidency about Texas threatening to secede, a salient question is worth considering. What would it look like if all the conservatives formed a “utopia” in Texas, say, and broke away from the United States?

The fascinating thing about conservatism is that many poor people subscribe to its principles thanks in large part to Fox News and talk radio, even though it calls for doing away with the safety net. This is crucial for forming a conservative utopia because the wealthy business interests who push for deregulation need the impoverished to provide (usually cheap and hard) labor and perform other men

PoliCon
01-02-2011, 06:23 PM
While the poor would likely suffer the most at first, since freedom from “government intrusion” in the workplace guarantees the absence of minimum wage laws, sanitation requirements and unemployment benefits, ultimately the entire society would implode, since, as the sub-prime mortgage crisis proves, unfettered free markets concentrate most of the wealth in the hands of a few mega financial firms, which would destroy themselves by creating a massive boom-bust cycle, leaving everyone destitute. I have to laugh every time some fucktard makes the claim that the sub-prime collapse was due to unfettered free market or deregulation or capitalism. :rolleyes:

SarasotaRepub
01-02-2011, 06:38 PM
I have to laugh every time some fucktard makes the claim that the sub-prime collapse was due to unfettered free market or deregulation or capitalism. :rolleyes:


http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1UgSGyM3Diwq5JpEO_GJ4soc4ls-ipppE4fE6x-Yif7AUtNL1mQ

:D

Dan D. Doty
01-02-2011, 06:59 PM
They didn't say what the Liberal states would look like, did they.

Massive taxes, massive regulation, massive crime, massive censorship , massives strikes, massive protests massive bureaucracy and very few liberties.

A place that could quicky become a dictatorship, or it would be total a anarchy.

But they would still blame someone else for their misjudgement and out right screw ups.

And one more thing, we would have the farms, the oil, the mines and most of the guns.

SarasotaRepub
01-02-2011, 07:16 PM
They didn't say what the Liberal states would look like, did they.

Massive taxes, massive regulation, massive crime, massive censorship , massives strikes, massive protests massive bureaucracy and very few liberties.

A place that could quicky become a dictatorship, or it would be total a anarchy.

But they would still blame someone else for their misjudgement and out right screw ups.

And one more thing, we would have the farms, the oil, the mines and most of the guns.


Which leads to one thought...INVASION!!!! :D By US of course... :p

Novaheart
01-02-2011, 08:01 PM
:rolleyes:

Another thread that is posted repeatedly on DU. This one is just as stupid as all the others...[/URL]

It would be interesting to know what they think the Confederate Constitution looked like. I suspect that they have no idea, as most people who like to claim that "The US stole Texas from Mexico..." have never read the Texas Declaration of Independence.

CueSi
01-02-2011, 08:21 PM
It would be interesting to know what they think the Confederate Constitution looked like. I suspect that they have no idea, as most people who like to claim that "The US stole Texas from Mexico..." have never read the Texas Declaration of Independence.

"N******s r bad n Lincoln sux. The End"

~QC

m00
01-02-2011, 08:26 PM
"N******s r bad n Lincoln sux. The End"

~QC

Do you think your vibrators would sell better in the Red Country or Blue Country?

FDK
01-02-2011, 08:32 PM
And one more thing, we would have the farms, the oil, the mines and most of the guns.

And camps.... lots of camps.:D

Rockntractor
01-02-2011, 08:40 PM
"N******s r bad n Lincoln sux. The End"

~QC



I think we are all adult enough to be able to figure out which one begins with a C and which one begins with an N.

We are very tolerant on CU, but we have rules, and they are there for very good reasons, and they are rules that shall not be circumvented.

We all know how easy it is to circumvent the rules. We have seen this happen with both of these words, far too often.

And now, we're calling time. No more of these words on CU. No more circumvention of the rules.
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=35212&page=18

What part of this was unclear!

CueSi
01-02-2011, 08:42 PM
Do you think your vibrators would sell better in the Red Country or Blue Country?

Most adult toy outlets sell porn as well, so we have to think of both objects in a single place.

Not sure... depends... if you have crazy regulation-happy apparachiks and hyper-social conservatives, I wouldn't sell anywhere legitimately. I'd have to put the laughable labels and pictures of the smiling women using vibrators as neck and back massagers when we ALL know that's not what they're used for.

If I have regulation-happy apparachiks and laid back libertarians and moderates running the Blue and Red Countries, I'd do gangbusters between smuggling to the Blue Countries and regular buisness.

Hyper-social cons and those sex-positive libs? Probably would still do well. :p

This is a buisness that will always find a way to make money because we always have something people want...toys have innovated themselves like crazy (http://gizmodo.com/5380577/sqweel-ten+tongue-sex-toy-video-hands+on) (NSFW), and they'll keep going as long as people keep buying.

~QC

m00
01-02-2011, 08:46 PM
What part of this was unclear!

Edit: I should probably check with the mods whether its okay to link a video that uses the banned word.

CueSi
01-02-2011, 08:46 PM
What part of this was unclear!

I put the stars in, and I wasn't referring to a person, merely answering Nova's question as to what the DU would think the CSA's constitution would look like.

~QC

swirling_vortex
01-03-2011, 12:11 AM
What would it look like? Well, there would be some variances per state (and some areas like Austin are liberal), but one thing is for sure, that's where all the jobs are going.

http://www.americansforprosperity.org/070110-texas-leads-nation-job-growth-%E2%80%93-again

m00
01-03-2011, 12:21 AM
I put the stars in, and I wasn't referring to a person, merely answering Nova's question as to what the DU would think the CSA's constitution would look like.

~QC

1st Amendment: Right to free speech, as long as you aren't a terrorist; right to Practice Christianity
2nd Amendment: Right to Bear Arms, unless it's one of those Arms that's banned by the government
3rd Amendment: Specifies government handouts should ONLY be for military purposes
4th Amendment: Right to protection from search and seizures without a warrant, unless you are a terrorist
5th Amendment: Due process, unless you are a terrorist
6th Amendment: Speedy and public trial, unless you are a terrorist
7th Amendment: Trial by jury of peers, unless you are a terrorist
8th Amendment: No cruel and unusual punishment, unless you are a terrorist
9th Amendment: Only non-terrorists have rights.
10th Amendment: Definition of "terrorist": anyone suspected of a crime of any sort by the government

NJCardFan
01-03-2011, 02:04 AM
What would things look like? The blue states would resemble the Soviet Union and the Red States would resemble, well, America.

SaintLouieWoman
01-03-2011, 08:15 AM
I put the stars in, and I wasn't referring to a person, merely answering Nova's question as to what the DU would think the CSA's constitution would look like.

~QC

It doesn't matter whether you use stars. Please try to follow the policies of the board. It applies to everyone here.

AmPat
01-03-2011, 10:58 AM
1st Amendment: Right to free speech, as long as you aren't a terrorist; right to Practice Christianity
1st Amendment: Right to free speech, as long as you haven't forfeited that right by killing innocent people
2nd Amendment: Right to Bear Arms, unless it's one of those Arms that's banned by the government
2nd Amendment: Right to Bear Arms, unless you forfeited that right by breaking a law or denying another's rights through the force of arms
3rd Amendment: Specifies government handouts should ONLY be for military purposes
3rd Amendment: Specifies government handouts should never be considered in a federal govt
4th Amendment: Right to protection from search and seizures without a warrant, unless you are a terrorist
4th Amendment: Right to protection from search and seizures without a warrant, unless their is probable cause as in you are a known terrorist
5th Amendment: Due process, unless you are a terrorist
5th Amendment: Due process for American citizens, unless you forfeit that right by becoming a terrorist
6th Amendment: Speedy and public trial, unless you are a terrorist
6th Amendment: Speedy and public trial for American citizens, unless you forfeit that right by becoming a terrorist
7th Amendment: Trial by jury of peers, unless you are a terrorist
7th Amendment: Trial by jury of peers, excluding terrorist peers, for American citizens, unless you forfeit that citizenship by becoming a terrorist
8th Amendment: No cruel and unusual punishment, unless you are a terrorist
8th Amendment: No cruel and unusual punishment, unless you are a terrorist, then you get a sentence equally cruel as your method of terrorism plus a minimum sentence of life in maximum security and hard labor until you die.
9th Amendment: Only non-terrorists have rights.
9th Amendment: Only American citizens have American rights. All others have basic rights and the govt reserves the right to execute all terrorists without reference to European jurisprudence.
10th Amendment: Definition of "terrorist": anyone suspected of a crime of any sort by the government
10th Amendment: Definition of "terrorist": anyone who commits a terrorist act.

:cool:

AmPat
01-03-2011, 11:20 AM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1UgSGyM3Diwq5JpEO_GJ4soc4ls-ipppE4fE6x-Yif7AUtNL1mQ

:D

http://i55.tinypic.com/szg5m8.jpg
Which one is the biggest?:cool:

Odysseus
01-03-2011, 12:06 PM
Which leads to one thought...INVASION!!!! :D By US of course... :p
No way. We'd want nothing to do with them, and conquering liberals just means that we have to feed, cloth and house them while they cojmplain about what fascists we are. No thanks. Besides, they'd build a wall to keep their people from emigrating as their economy collapsed, and we'd maintain it because we don't want unemployable liberals coming into the Red States.

The differences between the Red States of America and the Blue States of America would be very interesting, though. At a glance, I'd say that the following would apply:

Free Speech:
RSA: No limiits on political speech, internet or any other forms of expression that are intended for adults.
BSA: No limits on explicitly sexual imagerary, or the acts that they document, but strict controls on political speech and funding.

Economics:
RSA: High economic freedom index, low marginal tax rates, if not an outright flat tax. In practice, the majority of the RSA would look like Texas in terms of policy.
BSA: Think Massachussetts or California. Low economic freedom index, high tax rates which penalyze wealthier people and punish success. Poor economic growth, which will be blamed on greedy RSA types, even as they are driven out of business. Eventually, most major cities will look like Camden, NJ.

Defense:
RSA: The War Department will be focused on real threats, and will not be pussified into PC doublespeak that fails to identify enemies.
BSA: The Secretary of Health, Human Services and Defense will oversee a military that is committed to diversity, nuclear disarmament and ensuring that the rights of the enemies of the nation are treated with compassion and fairness, at least until they are overrun.

Education:
RSA: States will control their own schools, but national standards of educaiton will require that schools teach history, basic literacy and math and that students are actually able to read their diplomas.
BSA: Schools will turn out graduates who can barely understand the welfare forms, but the unions will be very well compensated.

Labor:
RSA: Unions will be legal in the private sector, but banned in the public sector, in order to prevent public employees from holding the states hostage to their demands. Violence by unions will not be tolerated, and money collected from members will be used only for the purpose that it is collected, which is for collective bargaining, pensions or payment of union activities. Political activities will be financed by voluntary contributions, and laws will enforce the voluntary aspect.
BSA: Each employee will belong to a union, like it or not, and the union will enforce labor rules and compliance with government policies.

Immigration Policy:
RSA: Similar to 1890-1939, with minimal restrictions for law-abiding, gainfully employed immigrants. Deportation of illegals, and especially criminals. Strict quotas on BSA immigration, with further restrictions on those with a history of leftist political agitation and activism. This will be tested as the BSA economy collapses and the Blue Staters start trying to escape what they have voted in.
BSA: Open borders coming in, but severe restrictions on leaving, especially for the RSA, and especially if you are taking property with you. Expect a series of Berlin Wall type structures to be put up for the purpose of preventing flight.

hoplophobe
01-03-2011, 12:21 PM
I watched 1984 last night. I imagine the Red States would look like that but completely opposite. The blue states while not 1984 would be closer to the US of Atlas Shrugged.

Novaheart
01-03-2011, 12:42 PM
"N******s r bad n Lincoln sux. The End"

~QC

LOL!

CueSi
01-03-2011, 12:54 PM
LOL!

I'm serious. I don't think some members of DU are capable of thinking past that level.

~QC

movie buff
01-03-2011, 04:46 PM
No way. We'd want nothing to do with them, and conquering liberals just means that we have to feed, cloth and house them while they cojmplain about what fascists we are. No thanks. Besides, they'd build a wall to keep their people from emigrating as their economy collapsed, and we'd maintain it because we don't want unemployable liberals coming into the Red States.

The differences between the Red States of America and the Blue States of America would be very interesting, though. At a glance, I'd say that the following would apply:

Free Speech:
RSA: No limiits on political speech, internet or any other forms of expression that are intended for adults.
BSA: No limits on explicitly sexual imagerary, or the acts that they document, but strict controls on political speech and funding.

Economics:
RSA: High economic freedom index, low marginal tax rates, if not an outright flat tax. In practice, the majority of the RSA would look like Texas in terms of policy.
BSA: Think Massachussetts or California. Low economic freedom index, high tax rates which penalyze wealthier people and punish success. Poor economic growth, which will be blamed on greedy RSA types, even as they are driven out of business. Eventually, most major cities will look like Camden, NJ.

Defense:
RSA: The War Department will be focused on real threats, and will not be pussified into PC doublespeak that fails to identify enemies.
BSA: The Secretary of Health, Human Services and Defense will oversee a military that is committed to diversity, nuclear disarmament and ensuring that the rights of the enemies of the nation are treated with compassion and fairness, at least until they are overrun.

Education:
RSA: States will control their own schools, but national standards of educaiton will require that schools teach history, basic literacy and math and that students are actually able to read their diplomas.
BSA: Schools will turn out graduates who can barely understand the welfare forms, but the unions will be very well compensated.

Labor:
RSA: Unions will be legal in the private sector, but banned in the public sector, in order to prevent public employees from holding the states hostage to their demands. Violence by unions will not be tolerated, and money collected from members will be used only for the purpose that it is collected, which is for collective bargaining, pensions or payment of union activities. Political activities will be financed by voluntary contributions, and laws will enforce the voluntary aspect.
BSA: Each employee will belong to a union, like it or not, and the union will enforce labor rules and compliance with government policies.

Immigration Policy:
RSA: Similar to 1890-1939, with minimal restrictions for law-abiding, gainfully employed immigrants. Deportation of illegals, and especially criminals. Strict quotas on BSA immigration, with further restrictions on those with a history of leftist political agitation and activism. This will be tested as the BSA economy collapses and the Blue Staters start trying to escape what they have voted in.
BSA: Open borders coming in, but severe restrictions on leaving, especially for the RSA, and especially if you are taking property with you. Expect a series of Berlin Wall type structures to be put up for the purpose of preventing flight.

Excellent job, though with the section of economics, I'd imagine most major cities in the BSA would look like Detroit, not Camden.
Here are a couple I'd add:

Freedom of Religion:
RSA: All citizens will have complete freedom to practice and exercise their respective religious beliefs, assuming that they do not engage in or openly promote violence or crime by doing so, or greatly inconvenience those of another religion by doing so (i.e. holding a mass prayer in a city street without a permit that blocks traffic).
BSA: Freedom to practice and exercise religious beliefs applies only to those citizens who follow enlightened, politically- correct religions such as Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism/ Agnosticism, and the various forms of mysticism, paganism, and the occult. Openly practicing Christianity is highly illegal, unless done in ways that are heavily influenced by massive amounts of "Liberation theology" and the "Social gospel," and with little to no actual reference to the Bible. Judaism will be judged on a case- by- case basis (i.e. Jews who openly express support for the nation of Israel or agree with the Torah's stance against homosexual practice are to be strictly punished).

Criminal Justice:
RSA: Convicted criminals, especially sex offenders and those who engage in massively violent acts (i.e. gang members), are to be strictly punished with jail time and whatever other sentences the law requires for their actions. Felons who have served their sentences and are to be released back into society are to be monitored to prevent them from repeating the actions that got them in prison in the first place, especially sex offenders. Laws against illicit drug use passed by most states when the country was still whole are to remain in effect. While the police will be closely monitored to prevent corruption, brutality, and other possible abuses of power, when a brutality complaint is raised against a police officer, the burden of proof lies on the one making the complaint.
BSA: Most convicted criminals will be sentenced as leniently as possible, with probation, community service, and counseling handed out as penalties far more often than prison sentences, especially for sex offenders and those who belong to a racial or ethnic minority group. Any moitoring of felons who have been released back into society is strictly prohibited, as this would violate their rights and make them feel uncomfortable, especially sex offenders. All drug use is to be deemed fullly legal, with generous financial reparations paid to all citizens who received legal punishment in the past for using or distributing drugs which were illicit back then. The police are forbidden to use any kind of force against someone who is a member of a racial or ethnic minority group, even when it is done in self- defense or to protect the lives of others, and in the event of a brutality complaint, the burden of proof will lie on the officer to prove his or her innocence. Rather than focusing on sexual offenses, gang activity, or violent crimes, the police are to devote the vast majority of their resources to cracking down on "Hate Crimes," such as those who openly express unpopular sentiments and those who violate any of the aforementioned religious laws. Those citizens who are convicted of Hate Crimes are to receive the strictest penalties possible, including lengthy prison sentences and hefty fines.

Odysseus
01-03-2011, 05:09 PM
Excellent job, though with the section of economics, I'd imagine most major cities in the BSA would look like Detroit, not Camden.
Here are a couple I'd add:

Freedom of Religion:
RSA: All citizens will have complete freedom to practice and exercise their respective religious beliefs, assuming that they do not engage in or openly promote violence or crime by doing so, or greatly inconvenience those of another religion by doing so (i.e. holding a mass prayer in a city street without a permit that blocks traffic).
BSA: Freedom to practice and exercise religious beliefs applies only to those citizens who follow enlightened, politically- correct religions such as Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism/ Agnosticism, and the various forms of mysticism, paganism, and the occult. Openly practicing Christianity is highly illegal, unless done in ways that are heavily influenced by massive amounts of "Liberation theology" and the "Social gospel," and with little to no actual reference to the Bible. Judaism will be judged on a case- by- case basis (i.e. Jews who openly express support for the nation of Israel or agree with the Torah's stance against homosexual practice are to be strictly punished).

Criminal Justice:
RSA: Convicted criminals, especially sex offenders and those who engage in massively violent acts (i.e. gang members), are to be strictly punished with jail time and whatever other sentences the law requires for their actions. Felons who have served their sentences and are to be released back into society are to be monitored to prevent them from repeating the actions that got them in prison in the first place, especially sex offenders. Laws against illicit drug use passed by most states when the country was still whole are to remain in effect. While the police will be closely monitored to prevent corruption, brutality, and other possible abuses of power, when a brutality complaint is raised against a police officer, the burden of proof lies on the one making the complaint.
BSA: Most convicted criminals will be sentenced as leniently as possible, with probation, community service, and counseling handed out as penalties far more often than prison sentences, especially for sex offenders and those who belong to a racial or ethnic minority group. Any moitoring of felons who have been released back into society is strictly prohibited, as this would violate their rights and make them feel uncomfortable, especially sex offenders. All drug use is to be deemed fullly legal, with generous financial reparations paid to all citizens who received legal punishment in the past for using or distributing drugs which were illicit back then. The police are forbidden to use any kind of force against someone who is a member of a racial or ethnic minority group, even when it is done in self- defense or to protect the lives of others, and in the event of a brutality complaint, the burden of proof will lie on the officer to prove his or her innocence. Rather than focusing on sexual offenses, gang activity, or violent crimes, the police are to devote the vast majority of their resources to cracking down on "Hate Crimes," such as those who openly express unpopular sentiments and those who violate any of the aforementioned religious laws. Those citizens who are convicted of Hate Crimes are to receive the strictest penalties possible, including lengthy prison sentences and hefty fines.

Good points. Of course, racial issues would be handled very differently, as well.
RSA: People are individuals. Discrimination by race, religion or sex must be proven, and real damages identified, before anyone hands you any money. In fact, the whole tort system will work the same way, with the onus on the plaintiff to not only prove a tort, but to prove actual damages, and awards will be limited to actual damages. In the event of a finding of punitive damages, the punitive part will go to the court, not the plaintiff, and certainly not their lawyers. Also, lawyers who enter a suit for contingency fees will be seen as parties to the suit, and subject to damages in the event that the suit is deemed frivolous.
BSA: People are judged as members of racial, gender or ethnic groups. Crime is presumed to be based on grievances against society, and punishments will vary accordingly, with white males being the most heavily punished, unless they are part of the ruling class, in which case, they can get away with pretty much anything. Thus, a kid who lights up a cigarette indoors will be punished more harshly than a US Senator who drives under the influence and drowns a campaign aide. Lawyers will be allowed to enter pretty much anything as evidence, and the introduction of junk science will be limited only by the imaginations of the members of the plaintiff's bar.

NJCardFan
01-03-2011, 09:11 PM
Good points. Of course, racial issues would be handled very differently, as well.
RSA: People are individuals. Discrimination by race, religion or sex must be proven, and real damages identified, before anyone hands you any money. In fact, the whole tort system will work the same way, with the onus on the plaintiff to not only prove a tort, but to prove actual damages, and awards will be limited to actual damages. In the event of a finding of punitive damages, the punitive part will go to the court, not the plaintiff, and certainly not their lawyers. Also, lawyers who enter a suit for contingency fees will be seen as parties to the suit, and subject to damages in the event that the suit is deemed frivolous. Also, if you bring suit against an individual or group or company and your claim is deemed frivolous, you will be financially responsible for the attorney or other litigation fees accrued by the offended party.
BSA: People are judged as members of racial, gender or ethnic groups. Crime is presumed to be based on grievances against society, and punishments will vary accordingly, with white males being the most heavily punished, unless they are part of the ruling class, in which case, they can get away with pretty much anything. Thus, a kid who lights up a cigarette indoors will be punished more harshly than a US Senator who drives under the influence and drowns a campaign aide. Lawyers will be allowed to enter pretty much anything as evidence, and the introduction of junk science will be limited only by the imaginations of the members of the plaintiff's bar.

I felt the need to add to your lawsuit part that there should be a loser pays system.

NJCardFan
01-03-2011, 10:10 PM
The Right To Keep And Bear Arms

RSA: The right of all citizens to keep an bear arms will not be infringed, however, if you are convicted of a violent crime, you forfeit your right to keep and bear arms, depending on the severity of your crime. Citizens will also have the ability to carry a concealed firearm but in order to do so you must go through an extensive firearms safety course complete with a police type qualifying procedure which you must pass and subsequently must re-qualify every 2 years. The use of deadly force in self defense is authorized only if an imminent threat of loss of life or serious bodily injury is present. This may include a 3rd party. The use of deadly force in the defense of private property will be dependent upon the totality of the circumstances.
BSA: Only law enforcement and military personnel or an established sanctioned militia will be permitted to carry firearms or own them privately. The citizenry will only be permitted to own a firearm for the express purpose of hunting, however, ammunition will be limited for this capacity and only after an application process which includes a background check. There will also be a limited amount of available licenses to own firearms for the purpose of hunting. The state reserves the right to revoke said license at any time as deemed necessary.

PoliCon
01-03-2011, 11:16 PM
Free Speech:
RSA: No limiits on political speech, internet or any other forms of expression that are intended for adults.
BSA: No limits on explicitly sexual imagerary, or the acts that they document, but strict controls on political speech and funding. You forgot religious speech. In BSA religious speech would not be infringed unless you're a Christian or actually choose to believe what that quaint book the bible says.


Economics:
RSA: High economic freedom index, low marginal tax rates, if not an outright flat tax. In practice, the majority of the RSA would look like Texas in terms of policy.
BSA: Think Massachussetts or California. Low economic freedom index, high tax rates which penalyze wealthier people and punish success. Poor economic growth, which will be blamed on greedy RSA types, even as they are driven out of business. Eventually, most major cities will look like Camden, NJ.I'd rather see a shift from income to consumption taxes myself . . . .


Defense:
RSA: The War Department will be focused on real threats, and will not be pussified into PC doublespeak that fails to identify enemies.
BSA: The Secretary of Health, Human Services and Defense will oversee a military that is committed to diversity, nuclear disarmament and ensuring that the rights of the enemies of the nation are treated with compassion and fairness, at least until they are overrun. I think it would come to civil war in BSA before it came to invasion . . . .


Education:
RSA: States will control their own schools, but national standards of educaiton will require that schools teach history, basic literacy and math and that students are actually able to read their diplomas.
BSA: Schools will turn out graduates who can barely understand the welfare forms, but the unions will be very well compensated. Helps when you spell education correctly ;) - but lets add rhetoric and logic to the required curriculum.


Labor:
RSA: Unions will be legal in the private sector, but banned in the public sector, in order to prevent public employees from holding the states hostage to their demands. Violence by unions will not be tolerated, and money collected from members will be used only for the purpose that it is collected, which is for collective bargaining, pensions or payment of union activities. Political activities will be financed by voluntary contributions, and laws will enforce the voluntary aspect.
BSA: Each employee will belong to a union, like it or not, and the union will enforce labor rules and compliance with government policies. Unions should be limited by size as well - single shops or single companies. No single union should be able to hold an entire industry hostage al la the UAW.


Immigration Policy:
RSA: Similar to 1890-1939, with minimal restrictions for law-abiding, gainfully employed immigrants. Deportation of illegals, and especially criminals. Strict quotas on BSA immigration, with further restrictions on those with a history of leftist political agitation and activism. This will be tested as the BSA economy collapses and the Blue Staters start trying to escape what they have voted in.
BSA: Open borders coming in, but severe restrictions on leaving, especially for the RSA, and especially if you are taking property with you. Expect a series of Berlin Wall type structures to be put up for the purpose of preventing flight. HEY! Some of us are Red staters trapped in blue state hells! :mad:

m00
01-04-2011, 03:10 AM
You guys are nuts if you think a red state country would be all sunshine and roses. What would happen is the politics would of course shift far to the right... but the problem is the "far right" for Republicans isn't some Libertarian place where adults can do what they want and laws make sense. The "far right" of the Republican party is Authoritarian, which is justified through arguments relating to National Security and biblical morality.

SarasotaRepub
01-04-2011, 06:57 AM
RED STATE:

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs19/f/2007/290/7/e/Starbuck_by_diablo2003.jpg


http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep6/arrive1.jpg



BLUE STATES:

http://images.hollywood.com/site/star_wars_ewoks.JPG



:p

FDK
01-04-2011, 09:42 AM
You guys are nuts if you think a red state country would be all sunshine and roses. What would happen is the politics would of course shift far to the right... but the problem is the "far right" for Republicans isn't some Libertarian place where adults can do what they want and laws make sense. The "far right" of the Republican party is Authoritarian, which is justified through arguments relating to National Security and biblical morality.

You must watch too much TV or something. You should get out in the real world more. There are far more moderate conservatives than far right ones.

Question: Who won the last Republican presidential primary?

Odysseus
01-04-2011, 10:38 AM
You must watch too much TV or something. You should get out in the real world more. There are far more moderate conservatives than far right ones.

Question: Who won the last Republican presidential primary?

The Democrats. :(

CueSi
01-04-2011, 12:32 PM
You must watch too much TV or something. You should get out in the real world more. There are far more moderate conservatives than far right ones.

Question: Who won the last Republican presidential primary?

One can just get out on this board and I have yet to find too many social moderates. m00 does have a point.

But everyone bitched about the choice till he bought in a running mate that the Media didn't know and couldn't DOA...that had some real conservative stances. Other than abortion, no one really knows Palin's social stances. Is she a social moderate? If she is, and makes that known. . .then you may have something.

~QC

m00
01-06-2011, 11:39 PM
You must watch too much TV or something. You should get out in the real world more. There are far more moderate conservatives than far right ones.

Well, I read too many political messageboards. I see very few Republicans that genuinely believe in freedoms, and small government. They only believe these things conditionally... until one brings up a sacred cow. Hey, just an observation.

Adam Wood
01-07-2011, 12:32 PM
They didn't say what the Liberal states would look like, did they.

Massive taxes, massive regulation, massive crime, massive censorship , massives strikes, massive protests massive bureaucracy and very few liberties.

A place that could quicky become a dictatorship, or it would be total a anarchy.

But they would still blame someone else for their misjudgement and out right screw ups.

And one more thing, we would have the farms, the oil, the mines and most of the guns.

You forgot massive unemployment.

Adam Wood
01-07-2011, 12:37 PM
It would be interesting to know what they think the Confederate Constitution looked like. I suspect that they have no idea, as most people who like to claim that "The US stole Texas from Mexico..." have never read the Texas Declaration of Independence.Enjoy (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x83757). They are completely incapable of reading.

CueSi
01-07-2011, 03:40 PM
Enjoy (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x83757). They are completely incapable of reading.

I gave my answer upthread. I bet I'm right too. :p

~QC

Dan D. Doty
04-15-2011, 04:00 PM
You forgot massive unemployment.

My bad.

A lot of this was worked out in the Ashes series by William W Johnstone.

If things go through to form, sooner or later the Blues would send a couple million over the border. The Moonbats telling them that all your stuff really belonged to them.

Constitutionally Speaking
04-15-2011, 07:43 PM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1UgSGyM3Diwq5JpEO_GJ4soc4ls-ipppE4fE6x-Yif7AUtNL1mQ




http://i55.tinypic.com/szg5m8.jpg
Which one is the biggest?:cool:



I can't tell the difference? What are you trying to get at here?? Two pictures of Barney Frank - I don't get it. :confused:

txradioguy
04-16-2011, 05:11 AM
IMHO what the DUmmies fail to realize is that by and large...outside of their pretty blue metropolitian enclaves...the rest of the country is one giant Red State!

cajunrevenge
04-16-2011, 05:27 AM
The blue states will borrow massively from the red states, slowly raising taxes as their debt grows. The rich will take their money and move to another country. Unemployment will skyrocket so the blue states will make it illegal to fire anyone, most businesses will either go bankrupt or stop hiring. Then the blue states will nationalize those businesses. Many will try to immigrate to the red states only to be turned away by border security. The blue states will then go to the UN to complain about the red states making it too hard for the blue states citizens to illegally immigrate there.