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Carol
01-06-2011, 11:06 PM
link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x129763)

DUer: Offerings at church are "socialism" so conservatives should be OK with the state and federal government taking your money (taxes) by force because it's the same thing.


postalanthrax (20 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jan-06-11 10:10 PM
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When they pass the plate, basket or what-have-you in churches all over America....

Are they not saying....

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need?

postalanthrax (20 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jan-06-11 10:14 PM
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4. Just wondering if church-going rightwingers ever make the connection...

Socialism isn't all bad.
They work so hard to "prove" that socialism isn't bad, and that because some things, like the police and fire department and roads are state and federal run that that should mean that we should be OK with socialism. Or they state that because someone gets social security or is on medicare that they are a "hypocrite" if they are against federal mandated health care or other kinds of increasing entitlements (which is simply a method of trying to shut down debate.)

It simply makes them look like fools, like postal above.

ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jan-06-11 10:14 PM
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2. when it happens in a church...you can let the plate pass

or you can fill it up. the choice is yours...try that with your taxes. also, in a church, you might actually have some influence over how it is spent (granted that is dependent on the church)...

NJCardFan
01-06-2011, 11:42 PM
Um, when they pass the church plate around, you are free to take it, and pass it along without making a contribution. And you can make that choice free of any retributions of any kind.

Novaheart
01-07-2011, 01:00 AM
Um, when they pass the church plate around, you are free to take it, and pass it along without making a contribution. And you can make that choice free of any retributions of any kind.

You aren't Episcopalian , are you?

movie buff
01-07-2011, 08:00 AM
ProdigalJunkMail will most likely be tombstoned within a week for that statement.

noonwitch
01-07-2011, 08:53 AM
The DUmbass is trying to say that charity is a form of socialism, not to mention that he is assuming that only conservatives give money to churches.


Both of the churches I attend use the general offerings given on Sundays to maintain the overall budget-salaries, supplies, maintenance, etc., like any other organization. Some of that money (10% in each case) goes to charity work, but if someone wants to contribute to a specific charitable program that the church either sponsors or runs, then they cut a separate check and either designate on the check what the money is for, or on the offering envelope (only one of the churches uses those). I signed a thing for the child sponsorship in which they take the money directly from my checking account once a month.

NJCardFan
01-07-2011, 04:48 PM
You aren't Episcopalian , are you?

So Episcopalians are fascists? *shrug* Because the church I belong to says give what you can but only if you can.

AmPat
01-07-2011, 04:54 PM
postalanthrax (20 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jan-06-11 10:10 PM
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When they pass the plate, basket or what-have-you in churches all over America....

Are they not saying....

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need? No moron, they are saying; I voluntarily give this money in the amount I decide, to this particular institution. They are not forced to give anything or any predetermined amount by the CHurch hierarchy. :rolleyes:
My GAWD, stupid like this ought to be taxed. We could pay off the deficit in a couple of days.

Novaheart
01-07-2011, 08:29 PM
So Episcopalians are fascists? *shrug* Because the church I belong to says give what you can but only if you can.

The vestry conducts a "canvas" each year where they visit with members (Episcopal churches maintain a membership) and ask them to commit to a certain amount each week. You then get a nice little box with 52 envelopes in it to make your pledges in, whether you attend or not. In colonial times, the vestry would sue you if you didn't pay up.

NJCardFan
01-07-2011, 09:49 PM
The vestry conducts a "canvas" each year where they visit with members (Episcopal churches maintain a membership) and ask them to commit to a certain amount each week. You then get a nice little box with 52 envelopes in it to make your pledges in, whether you attend or not. In colonial times, the vestry would sue you if you didn't pay up.

OK. But the last I looked, this is no longer colonial times.

AmPat
01-09-2011, 01:57 PM
OK. But the last I looked, this is no longer colonial times.

Typical liberal, they can't run fast enough away when it hurts their cause. For instance; In "Colonial times," the Constitution was respected by the people.

MrsSmith
01-09-2011, 02:44 PM
The vestry conducts a "canvas" each year where they visit with members (Episcopal churches maintain a membership) and ask them to commit to a certain amount each week. You then get a nice little box with 52 envelopes in it to make your pledges in, whether you attend or not. In colonial times, the vestry would sue you if you didn't pay up.

I'm a Baptist, and we get a nice little box with envelopes, also. :rolleyes: In no way is this equivalent to the IRS beating down your door, confiscating your property, and locking your bank account. In fact, believe it or not, if we were in need, we could go to our church and ask for help!!!! Not only would we receive it, we wouldn't have to prove everything from how much money we earn to how many pairs of socks we own to get it. Imagine that...money freely given to the church, and freely distributed as needed. Without any huge government overhead, tons of red tape, social workers scanning your underwear drawers, or anything. What a concept! :eek: :rolleyes:

FlaGator
01-09-2011, 06:21 PM
The vestry conducts a "canvas" each year where they visit with members (Episcopal churches maintain a membership) and ask them to commit to a certain amount each week. You then get a nice little box with 52 envelopes in it to make your pledges in, whether you attend or not. In colonial times, the vestry would sue you if you didn't pay up.

I sit on the vestry of a large Episcopal church and what you are saying is absolutely untrue. Some parishes may do this but it is not ture for all or even most parishes that I am familiar with. Because I sit on a Diocesan committee I am familiar with a lot of parishes. Please limit your comment to only those parishes that you have personal experience with.

Bubba Dawg
01-09-2011, 06:31 PM
I sit on the vestry of a large Episcopal church and what you are saying is absolutely untrue. Some parishes may do this but it is not ture for all or even most parishes that I am familiar with. Because I sit on a Diocesan committee I am familiar with a lot of parishes. Please limit your comment so only those parishes that you have personal experience with.

True. I was on the vestry at a small Episcopal Church and the same is true of my experience there.

Bubba Dawg
01-09-2011, 06:34 PM
I'm a Baptist, and we get a nice little box with envelopes, also. :rolleyes: In no way is this equivalent to the IRS beating down your door, confiscating your property, and locking your bank account. In fact, believe it or not, if we were in need, we could go to our church and ask for help!!!! Not only would we receive it, we wouldn't have to prove everything from how much money we earn to how many pairs of socks we own to get it. Imagine that...money freely given to the church, and freely distributed as needed. Without any huge government overhead, tons of red tape, social workers scanning your underwear drawers, or anything. What a concept! :eek: :rolleyes:

I am a member of a Baptist Church now. Our church does a lot of outreach for the community in our food ministry and helping out with other physical needs of the community, along with addressing spiritual needs. We spend a lot of resources on these ministries.